California Drought

[plowhog]

I never through I would find the one guy that believes the weatherman. Today is that day.

I have training in meteorology, and I find our local weatherman to be quite knowledgeable and informative. It is an inexact science but his forecasts are pretty reliable. He's not a young babe in a tight dress but you can't have everything.

My only beef is wanting solid information on climate change. In that respect, due to bias, I think he does a disservice. Somehow all sorts of things become "evidence" that we are all doomed.

Some of the "evidence" are events within statistical norms-- like this year. Our snow did come a little later this year, but I don't believe that by itself is evidence of anything. To contrast, last Fall he predicted the drought would persist all winter long due to climate change. Then winter roared in early and was strong all year. The narrative changed-- now the early winter was "climate whiplash" from the Earth fighting back against climate change.

In his defense I see many people conflate local and immediate weather against long term climate patterns-- which should not be done.

 

[plowhog]

You can have lots of water above ground, but still have a "drought" below ground.

Bruce

Agreed. The land subsidence in the CA central valley is shocking.

 

[Snobdds]

Maybe the ones in Wyoming aren’t that smart, just like a lot of people.

You make great arguments.

 

[scootr]

CA just got 10 ft of snow. Where is the promised global warning when you need it

 

[California]

CA just got 10 ft of snow. Where is the promised global warning when you need it

In Siberia, for one. And Antarctica.

 

[oosik]

Yet they still are building new homes. Like someone was going to save them.

It's called - - "the California dream".

 

[NoTrespassing]

I have training in meteorology, and I find our local weatherman to be quite knowledgeable and informative. It is an inexact science but his forecasts are pretty reliable. He's not a young babe in a tight dress but you can't have everything.

My only beef is wanting solid information on climate change. In that respect, due to bias, I think he does a disservice. Somehow all sorts of things become "evidence" that we are all doomed.

Some of the "evidence" are events within statistical norms-- like this year. Our snow did come a little later this year, but I don't believe that by itself is evidence of anything. To contrast, last Fall he predicted the drought would persist all winter long due to climate change. Then winter roared in early and was strong all year. The narrative changed-- now the early winter was "climate whiplash" from the Earth fighting back against climate change.

In his defense I see many people conflate local and immediate weather against long term climate patterns-- which should not be done.

I really like our local meteorologist. He used to be way way way over the top. I'm sure you can find videos of him acting crazy.

Jim Kosek - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He used to work for AccuWeather. I've never heard him mention climate change and if you have, please don't tell me about it.

 

[plowhog]

I really like our local meteorologist.

Things were never the same after Lloyd Lindsay Young left Sacramento.

 

[California]

 

[newbury]

Can you posts links to graphs like that?

The best link I found was :
Global temperatures over last 24,000 years show today's warming 'unprecedented' but that is not NASA

 

[Eagle1]

What's the hottest Earth's ever been?

 

[California]

Can you posts links to graphs like that?

The best link I found was :
Global temperatures over last 24,000 years show today's warming 'unprecedented' but that is not NASA

I like your chart better, it has better links to sources.

The one I posted, showing similar data, came from this Reddit thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/1b8u082

Like anything on Reddit, the comments following a post is where you often find better insight.

Some examples:

Climate change is what we see happening for thousands of years after the last glacial maximum.​

The more recent changes of the past two centuries are better described as a bomb going off.​

​

Taken from: The Raw Truth on Global Temperature Records – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet​

...clues like ice cores and tree rings) provide scientists with context for understanding today’s observed warming of Earth’s climate, which has no historic parallel."​

​

There's also been like a 60% drop in wildlife in the same time period. The Holocene mass extinction is gonna be lit.​

​

Biomass of insect loss is a huge deal people are just ignoring.​

That last one is one I have noticed personally. Crossing a 10 mile swamp (Ca route 37) we used to splatter so many bugs on the windshield that we had to stop and clean up. Now, none! A very noticeable change.

 

[ponytug]

@newbury The original chart is in this paper, though the temperature data comes from several sources.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0164070420301336

(FYI: I used @California's original image to try and search site:climate.nasa.gov, with no hits, and then searched globally and found the Reddit image, which I then used as an image search in Google to find the above link.)

All the best,

Peter

 

[Snobdds]

There is no conclusive way to measure temperature prior to 1900. It's an estimate from a model. Models are nothing but assumption generators relaying upon tangent information.

It's amazing people think we can tell the temperature of the earth 5000 years ago.

 

[riptides]

There is no conclusive way to measure temperature prior to 1900. It's an estimate from a model. Models are nothing but assumption generators relaying upon tangent information.

It's amazing people think we can tell the temperature of the earth 5000 years ago.

There is pretty good science available today through proxies that have enabled us to do so not only on our own planet, but also others.

 

[Snobdds]

There is pretty good science available today through proxies that have enabled us to do so not only on our own planet, but also others.

If by "science" you mean models...then you would be correct.

Always remember, there is no hard data...only assumptions.

 

[bcp]

Fossilized pollen is one way of estimating prehistoric temperatures.

Ancient Pollen Offers Clues to How Plants Adapted to Climate Change in the Past — and Potentially the Future

A new study finds that plants around the world moved poleward during a dynamic period of rising temperatures 56 million years ago

www.smithsonianmag.com

Bruce

 

[Snobdds]

Fossilized pollen is one way of estimating prehistoric temperatures.

Ancient Pollen Offers Clues to How Plants Adapted to Climate Change in the Past — and Potentially the Future

A new study finds that plants around the world moved poleward during a dynamic period of rising temperatures 56 million years ago

www.smithsonianmag.com

Bruce

It's still a tangent metric to populate a model.

 

[Snobdds]

The best we can do to answer the burning question of past temperatures.. is generalizations.

 

[murphy1244]

Do I believe in climate change? yes, it changes every day. Do I believe man has changed the climate? a little. but not the doom an gloom that has been pushed daily.