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Well, OK, I went to the closest tractor dealer to me. They sell the TYM brand. I went there before to look at their T25 model, which is a bit on the small size, but seemed like what I was looking for. The problem was that they offered it with a cab, but no AC. Fail. At the time, I wasn't interested in looking at their larger models that would have a cab with AC, so went elsewhere on a search.

During that time, I think I learned a lot here and from MANY YouTube videos I have watched. All that info went into the brain hopper and got churned around. What became most important on the list rose to the top. Definitely want a cab. Weight matters, so a heavier tractor would be better (for me) than a lighter one. Issue of AC with a 25 horsepower engine produced ambivalent answers. But obviously higher HP would be better than lower HP, just in case. Heavier weight and functional AC pushes towards higher HP than lower. Which means a larger tractor overall. And having a dealer closer rather than further away is apparently a worthy factor to consider. So with all of those ingredients mixed in my mind, I went back to the TYM dealer, who is about 20 minutes away from me, and took a long hard look at the other models they had on the lot. Honestly, they didn't have a big selection, but I found myself circling the T474 they had there quite a bit. Had nearly all of the features I wanted that typically come standard or at least readily available as options. I was leaning towards the Kioti brand, but after the salesman at that 1.5 hour away dealership seems to not want to talk to me any longer after I commented on the high price tag he is putting on 15 more horsepower, I guess he has more customers than he knows what to do with, and doesn't need my business.

I got a price on the TYM T474HC model from the local dealer, and honestly the price quite surprised me. VERY reasonable. I even checked with him to make sure he didn't quote a price on the non cab version or without the loader. Yep, that was the price.

So that is the way I am leaning now. Still want to do some research yet before pulling the trigger. Honestly, I ruled out a backhoe, because it just pushed the price way beyond what I really wanted to pay. But with the TYM, it just became feasible again. I just need to figure out if I REALLY want that option or not. But then again, wouldn't be the first time I have purchased a tool that I use rarely. But the nice thing about it is that when I NEED it, I HAVE it.

Thanks all for all of the input and advice. It was ALL very useful and helpful. Even if it seemed I was fighting against the tide.

 

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That's a good size for you.
I've seen this tractor going for $32,900.
Backhoe is big bucks and you can do a lot with a front stump bucket for trenching and digging narrow holes especially if you have no main intent for a backhoe.
Florida requires only what? about 18" for footing depth?
Stump bucket can do that easily and it would be about $6000-$7000 less.

 

[TractorTYMe]

I saved enough to I could afford to buy a cab, I have WINTER so cab is a must. On the other hand my TYM T474 I've had for 3 years and now 394h have been problem free and I work it hard. I mowed a 19 acre field with a 65'' ditch flail mower (Felt like doing it with nail clippers LOL) but I'd quoted the job and finished it in 26h.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Honestly, I ruled out a backhoe, because it just pushed the price way beyond what I really wanted to pay. But with the TYM, it just became feasible again. I just need to figure out if I REALLY want that option or not. But then again, wouldn't be the first time I have purchased a tool that I use rarely. But the nice thing about it is that when I NEED it, I HAVE it.

If the backhoe is relatively easy to remove and reinstall, I think you should get it.

Faking a backhoe can be quite hard to do, and they're useful for more than just digging.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

If the backhoe is relatively easy to remove and reinstall, I think you should get it.

Faking a backhoe can be quite hard to do, and they're useful for more than just digging.

For the price you can rent a lot of mini and do a lot more unless there are specific projects that would justify the purchase.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

For the price you can rent a lot of mini and do a lot more unless there are specific projects that would justify the purchase.

Yeah, I used to hire backhoes somewhat frequently, thinking I should buy one and save some money in the long run. But since I didn't know how to operate one I never did.

Well, things changed and after moving I finally did buy one. And kinda got the hang of how to use it. Then bought another one, and then we got a tiny BX25D.

Admittedly, these days I don't use them all that much. Partially because I have cranes that can do a better job at lifting things, but also because the irrigation ditches are largely staying in good shape. And thankfully we don't need that many horse graves in a year.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

Yeah, I used to hire backhoes somewhat frequently, thinking I should buy one and save some money in the long run. But since I didn't know how to operate one I never did.

Well, things changed and after moving I finally did buy one. And kinda got the hang of how to use it. Then bought another one, and then we got a tiny BX25D.

Admittedly, these days I don't use them all that much. Partially because I have cranes that can do a better job at lifting things, but also because the irrigation ditches are largely staying in good shape. And thankfully we don't need that many horse graves in a year.

I had one project that I've ever needed a mini for. 800+ feet of three foot wide by five foot deep trench. I rented a mini for the job. According to the hour meter, it took me 27 hours to complete. Total cost for the mini delivered and picked up, was under $1500.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

I had one project that I've ever needed a mini for. 800+ feet of three foot wide by five foot deep trench. I rented a mini for the job. According to the hour meter, it took me 27 hours to complete. Total cost for the mini delivered and picked up, was under $1500.

Okay, that's a third of what I paid for the Case 580 I use the most - because it's the one in best mechanical condition, even though it was originally bought as a parts car.

Thankfully, my investment (while higher) has allowed me to use that machine for some six years now, whenever I feel like it. And if memory serves me it has about 400 hours on it, so it should keep functioning for a bit longer. Meanwhile, your $1,500 are simply gone.

 

[Williy]

I purchased the backhoe I don't use it a lot but when I need it I have it!
Its about 55 or 60 miles round trip to the rent it shop and it there is a long line you have to wait and waiting can take a long time and then when its your turn you find out they are all rented out for a few days and you need one NOW! Its very handy to have and it only takes a few minutes to hook up! no waiting for one to use. So you can spend your
time running to the rent it shop maybe they will have what you need then again maybe not. Having a backhoe is very convenient and it only takes a few minutes to hook one up and you are using it right away not driving to the rent it shop if you have an emergency.
THIS IS MY OPINION AND EVERY BODY HAS ONE!

willy

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

Okay, that's a third of what I paid for the Case 580 I use the most - because it's the one in best mechanical condition, even though it was originally bought as a parts car.

Thankfully, my investment (while higher) has allowed me to use that machine for some six years now, whenever I feel like it. And if memory serves me it has about 400 hours on it, so it should keep functioning for a bit longer. Meanwhile, your $1,500 are simply gone.

A dedicated industrial backhoe is a little bit different animal than a backhoe attachment on a compact tractor, so it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.
Better my $1500 gone than a $7500 attachment (we are talking new) just sitting there under a tarp slowly deteriorating. But even beyond that, a mini is inherently faster than a tractor backhoe. The places I had to dig required some reach to keep the dirt off of a building and off of a driveway. I will also bet that a backhoe would have taken much longer than 27 hours to accomplish the same tasks.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

A dedicated industrial backhoe is a little bit different animal than a backhoe attachment on a compact tractor, so it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.

Well, to confuse the issue a bit more, mine aren't exactly industrial backhoes, either.
Instead, they're military surplus. Used to be able to pick up nice ones for between $5K and $15K, but those days are unfortunately over and now they tend to go for $15 to $25K.

Still, that's not bad for machines with maybe 100 miles and 100 hours on them.

 

[EddieWalker]

I’ve never seen or been on a canned ag tractor with a backhoe. I’ve been on one Kubota BX with a backhoe and it was better then a shovel, but not a lot better. I own a full sized loader backhoe and it’s night and day better then that Kubota was. Ease of operation, moving the tractor while digging and overall productivity isn’t even close or comparable. I’ve run a couple small excavators and i really want one, but can’t justify the expense when I have a backhoe that gets the job done.

Before spending the money on backhoe that attaches to the back of a cab tractor, I would want to demo it and actually remove it and install it.

For me, switching implements is a huge pain. I pretty much refuse to remove my mower to use something else until mowing season is done.

Another huge advantage to renting an excavator is that you don’t have to fix it or spend hours getting it ready to use. Stuff that sits around falls apart. The house I’m working at has a backhoe sitting beside their barn. It’s a mess. It hasn’t been used in a decade and I doubt it will ever be used again. It’s too far gone.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

I’ve been on one Kubota BX with a backhoe and it was better then a shovel, but not a lot better. I own a full sized loader backhoe and it’s night and day better then that Kubota was.

Yep, huge difference. A toy versus a tool, basically.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Well, to confuse the issue a bit more, mine aren't exactly industrial backhoes, either.
Instead, they're military surplus. Used to be able to pick up nice ones for between $5K and $15K, but those days are unfortunately over and now they tend to go for $15 to $25K.

Still, that's not bad for machines with maybe 100 miles and 100 hours on them.View attachment 813993

First time I ever saw one of those was at a cannibalization point in South Korea; I didn't know they were a thing, I was so surprised I had to grab pictures.



It's cool that you've got one, they're real neat.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Thanks, I still have two of the SEEs, down to one HMMH (crane/forklift), and one HME (trencher/dozer).

They certainly have their quirks, but I like challenges and learning.

 

[steve tym]

My wife told me the maddest she ever saw me in 25 years was while I was trying to hook up the back hoe on my tractor. Tractor mounted backhoes are not great, but they sure are nice to have. Best thing I ever did with my tractor with a backhoe was to sell it to my neighbor. Now I just borrow it when I need it. Replaced it with a considerably larger TYM.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Removal and reinstallation of the BX25D's backhoe is quite effortless, really.

Then again, it's so small that it couldn't be hard. Two people could probably set it in place without using the hydraulics for help.

 

[mikennh]

The cab tractors are a great investment, however it's hard, if not impossible to find an air conditioned unit in the 25 HP range. A closed cab in your warmer climate during the summer will feel more like a greenhouse than a savior. The AC quit on me in my 3720 John Deere one summer and I melted in the cab while mowing. Shop around and see what's available in your area. The air conditioned cab tractors are probably going to scare the bejesus out of your wallet.

 

[ENORMIS]

OK, so this will be my first tractor, IF I do buy one. Maybe my last one, too, as I turned 73 recently and don't imagine this will be a periodic thing for me to do over my remaining years.

BTW, my apologies if this is posted in the wrong place. I looked for a section for newbie style questions, but didn't find one.

I am located in north Florida. 50 acres of mostly heavily wooded land. Getting to where doing minor clearing manually is no longer as much fun as it used to be. I had a heart attack last year. Wife has diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer last year. Yeah 2022 REALLY sucked. So, things are stacking against us to be doing a lot of (any?) heavy lifting. I don't know how much and for how long I will have my wife's help when I just need an extra pair of hands. And the hands and arms I have just ain't what they used to be, neither. A couple of weeks ago when I wanted to move a concrete bird bath across the yard, that got me to REALLY thinking that something to help me with the lifting would have been nice to have. Something like an engine hoist on wheels, even.

So I believe I need motorized help. Friend of mine has a tractor and has come over several times to help me with some things. He would just shake his head and tell me he doesn't understand why I haven't bought a tractor a long time ago. "Good exercise" I would tell him, doing this all manually. But things have changed. Of course he says he will always be here to help me, but he has his own medical problems and I can't expect to keep leaning on him for tractor help.

Here in north Florida, we have a few seasons where riding an open tractor into the woods might not be a pleasant experience. Yellow fly season, mosquito season, hot and humid season, and the fall ground nesting habits of yellow jackets are always an unpleasant surprise. Oh yeah, and those large spiders forming webs at unexpected places between the trees. Not keen on getting those webs wrapped around my face. All seem to point to having a cab on a tractor so I could keep on tractoring, regardless of those environmental hurtles and unpleasant surprises.

But I have some doubts. I want a smaller tractor, likely one of the less than 25 horsepower models. My plan is to clear AROUND most of the trees, not try to knock them over or dig them up. So small size would help with that. Now, I know air conditioning robs horsepower from any engine it is attached to. How much would the air conditioning in a cab on a 25 horsepower tractor impact the usefulness of the thing? Wouldn't make much sense to have to choose between using the AC or running a flail mower when needed, if the tractor didn't have the power to run both simultaneously, now would it? So is there a MINIMUM horsepower rating for a tractor engine below which having a cab with AC is just pure folly?

And there is the issue of driving through woods with the cab. Are they designed to take some arguments with tree branches and not get damaged excessively? The way I am thinking about it, I WILL have tree branches to contend with. But it is not too bad. Mostly small saplings that I would want to take out anyway. Pine trees tend to put their branches up high around here. I guess I would rather have those branches scraping and slapping at the cab rather than my head and upper body. And I suppose the ROP guard would likely catch many of them anyway, just hopefully not bending them forward and down to knock my hat off. I guess I could take the time with a polesaw to take out many of the lower branches, but that puts me back in the environmental concerns that had me thinking about getting the cab in the first place. Walking through the woods with a pole saw would not be any more fun than driving through the woods at those above mentioned challenging seasons.

Are the doors and windows of these cabs field replaceable repairs? And are they made of actual glass (perhaps impact resistant?) or just some plastic that would get scratched all to hell from the branches?

Just a silly idea wanting to get a small tractor with a cab anyway? Suck it up, buttercup, face the elements and take the scars? Or just sell the place and go live in a condo on the beach and forget about the whole thing?

Yeah, I know. Expecting answers mostly beginning with "Well, it depends......."

I had a non cab 32 horse Kubota. I sold it.. I got a b2650 cab. With ac heat stereo. Turf tires. Forks, FEL, MMM, grader, brush hog, quick hitch, and heavy hitch . No regrets.
I can always use more horses. But it needs to fit in my garage and I mow my lawn with it.

I have a stone 1000ft driveway, acres of grass, gardens, and we have winter in NW, Pa.

 

[BIGTOOLRACK]

OK, so this will be my first tractor, IF I do buy one. Maybe my last one, too, as I turned 73 recently and don't imagine this will be a periodic thing for me to do over my remaining years.

BTW, my apologies if this is posted in the wrong place. I looked for a section for newbie style questions, but didn't find one.

I am located in north Florida. 50 acres of mostly heavily wooded land. Getting to where doing minor clearing manually is no longer as much fun as it used to be. I had a heart attack last year. Wife has diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer last year. Yeah 2022 REALLY sucked. So, things are stacking against us to be doing a lot of (any?) heavy lifting. I don't know how much and for how long I will have my wife's help when I just need an extra pair of hands. And the hands and arms I have just ain't what they used to be, neither. A couple of weeks ago when I wanted to move a concrete bird bath across the yard, that got me to REALLY thinking that something to help me with the lifting would have been nice to have. Something like an engine hoist on wheels, even.

So I believe I need motorized help. Friend of mine has a tractor and has come over several times to help me with some things. He would just shake his head and tell me he doesn't understand why I haven't bought a tractor a long time ago. "Good exercise" I would tell him, doing this all manually. But things have changed. Of course he says he will always be here to help me, but he has his own medical problems and I can't expect to keep leaning on him for tractor help.

Here in north Florida, we have a few seasons where riding an open tractor into the woods might not be a pleasant experience. Yellow fly season, mosquito season, hot and humid season, and the fall ground nesting habits of yellow jackets are always an unpleasant surprise. Oh yeah, and those large spiders forming webs at unexpected places between the trees. Not keen on getting those webs wrapped around my face. All seem to point to having a cab on a tractor so I could keep on tractoring, regardless of those environmental hurtles and unpleasant surprises.

But I have some doubts. I want a smaller tractor, likely one of the less than 25 horsepower models. My plan is to clear AROUND most of the trees, not try to knock them over or dig them up. So small size would help with that. Now, I know air conditioning robs horsepower from any engine it is attached to. How much would the air conditioning in a cab on a 25 horsepower tractor impact the usefulness of the thing? Wouldn't make much sense to have to choose between using the AC or running a flail mower when needed, if the tractor didn't have the power to run both simultaneously, now would it? So is there a MINIMUM horsepower rating for a tractor engine below which having a cab with AC is just pure folly?

And there is the issue of driving through woods with the cab. Are they designed to take some arguments with tree branches and not get damaged excessively? The way I am thinking about it, I WILL have tree branches to contend with. But it is not too bad. Mostly small saplings that I would want to take out anyway. Pine trees tend to put their branches up high around here. I guess I would rather have those branches scraping and slapping at the cab rather than my head and upper body. And I suppose the ROP guard would likely catch many of them anyway, just hopefully not bending them forward and down to knock my hat off. I guess I could take the time with a polesaw to take out many of the lower branches, but that puts me back in the environmental concerns that had me thinking about getting the cab in the first place. Walking through the woods with a pole saw would not be any more fun than driving through the woods at those above mentioned challenging seasons.

Are the doors and windows of these cabs field replaceable repairs? And are they made of actual glass (perhaps impact resistant?) or just some plastic that would get scratched all to hell from the branches?

Just a silly idea wanting to get a small tractor with a cab anyway? Suck it up, buttercup, face the elements and take the scars? Or just sell the place and go live in a condo on the beach and forget about the whole thing?

Yeah, I know. Expecting answers mostly beginning with "Well, it depends......."

Nice to meet you and I hope you and your wife feel better soon thats most important. As far as the tractor I have had most of them since I am in this industry. I will tell you I would highly recommend the Kubota GrandL series as I said I have had many and this is absolutely my favorite and if you’re doing yard clean up between trees and need a helping had of course you should add the Bigtoolrack. Stay well my friend!

My Kubota in action