Buying Advice BX25D used ($16000) vs GC1710 new ($20750 plus tax)

[Tractor Seabee]

Either machine could do for what I am looking for, but I am not really that impressed with the BX25. I mean I was ok with the BX until I tried the GC. Then I also compared the specs and wow. I have nothing against Kubota, but I'm surprised that others prefer the BX.

Loader Lift to pin: GC-920lbs, BX-745lbs
Backhoe roll force: GC-2476lbs, BX-1936lbs
Weight: GC-2670lbs, BX-1587lbs (heavier is better IMO for balance and digging, etc)

And the big thing is the loader lift speed! The GC is at least twice as fast under the same RPM.:shocked:

But with a $7500 difference (tax included) I am hoping there are others that can convince my brain that the BX is better then the GC or that the GC is worth the $7500 more.

Thanks for any feedback!

Maru, Come down here and you can buy my BX25 plus a bunch of implements and a 16' trailer for not much more than they want for the GC. PM me if interested. I has been a real work horse for me; but, I sold the ranch and moving into town.

Ron

 

[Tompet]

I think both of them are fine units, so I'll only advise on the price of the GC1710

That price seems way high for a GC1710.
I was just recently looking at them and had my dealer quote me one out and it was under $16,000, and yes that was for a new unit.
I would google Massey Ferguson gc1710 for sale. And see what types of prices you see, and maybe print off ads and take into your dealer.

It may make your decision easier

Agree, try and get another quote from a different Massey dealer.

 

[check]

Maru, Come down here and you can buy my BX25 plus a bunch of implements and a 16' trailer for not much more than they want for the GC. PM me if interested. I has been a real work horse for me; but, I sold the ranch and moving into town. Ron

That would be a great idea, Ron, if the countries were reversed, so that you were a Canadian selling a tractor to an American.

But, unfortunately the US dollar is more than one third higher than the Canadian dollar, so $16,000 US would be over $21,000 Canadian.

I would be happy to sell my BX25 to an American, and I live in Toronto very close to the border. (About an hour away from Buffalo.) Any of you New Yorkians looking for a $16,000 tractor?

 

[plowhog]

The price for the GC1710 seems high. I paid thousands less and didn't really shop very hard.

I found lots of little things I liked about the Massey vs. the Kubota. Fit and finish on the Massey is very nice. The Kubota single hydraulic cylinder in the center of the bucket seemed inferior compared to a cylinder on each side like the Massey. A little research turned up some bent buckets on the Kubota. That could have been operator error or misuse, but the single center cylinder just looked like a weaker approach to me.

The GC1710 has been an excellent tractor. I only have about 60 hours on it but I have done a lot with it.

 

[Grandad4]

The price for the GC1710 seems high. I paid thousands less and didn't really shop very hard.

I found lots of little things I liked about the Massey vs. the Kubota. Fit and finish on the Massey is very nice. The Kubota single hydraulic cylinder in the center of the bucket seemed inferior compared to a cylinder on each side like the Massey. A little research turned up some bent buckets on the Kubota. That could have been operator error or misuse, but the single center cylinder just looked like a weaker approach to me.

The GC1710 has been an excellent tractor. I only have about 60 hours on it but I have done a lot with it.

12 years and 1,000 hours on my single cylinder BX loader with no bent bucket or other problems. A single cylinder design is used on many of the huge Caterpillar articulating loaders... there's nothing inherently wrong with that setup.

Would like to see links to someone's experience bending the BX - or any other SCUT - bucket due to its design. That would be pretty hard to do since the hydraulics should go into relief before bending the bucket.

 

[ransonjd]

Will you get the BX25 warranty transferred to you, and how many years are left on it? How will that compare to the GC1710 new warranty?

 

[maru487]

Oops, forgot to put CAD. Sorry bout that, eh.

I dig the lift variability (pun intended), with the loader. But I figured the capacity to height would be relative linearly among the various units. A benchmark.

Ya, our dollar blows. BTW I have a bridge for sale :laughing:

I don't think there's anything wrong with the BX25, just that the loader was slower then my personal preference.

Warranties are similar since MF is 5 years.

Thanks for all the responses... stirring the thought pot:confused2::confused2::confused2:

 

[nikerret]

And the big thing is the loader lift speed! The GC is at least twice as fast under the same RPM.:shocked:

The rest of your post has been addressed, but I'll touch on the quoted part.

Unless that RPM was rated speed, it's irrelevant. The BX is made to rev and is rated to do work at 3,200 RPM. The MF GC1710 is rated to 2,600 RPM. MF's more powerful version, the GC1720 is rated to work at 3,000 RPM. If you're comparing the BX to the GC1710, the BX needs to be around 3,200 RPM and the GC1710 needs to be around 2,600 RPM; for the most accurate comparison.


In the end, the MF GC's, the BX's, and the JD 1-series are more similar than different. As said by other posters, it's mostly personal preference and value. The MF was priced between the BX and the JD, when I was shopping, but the local dealer didn't carry the GC and the closest one I found, to look at, was a four hour drive-one way. The local dealer was willing to sell it to me and order me one, but I refused to buy it blind. With that combined to the nearly $3,000 less the BX cost me, MF didn't have a high likelihood of ending up, in my garage. I really wish I could have at least played on one, but it didn't happen. There were plenty of BX's and JD 1-series to try, so that's what it came down to. I ended up with the BX for several reasons. One was the price ($5,000 less expensive than comparable JD) and another was dealer. The JD dealers really didn't get out of their way to help me, like the Kubota dealer I bought from did. A lot of my tractor shopping problems were due to my location. Around here, a 100HP tractor is considered small. The SCUTs are kind of a $20K nuisance compared to a half million dollar sale.

You cannot go wrong with any of the choices, if it will work for you, you fit it reasonably well, and you can afford it. I found used prices were way too close to new prices and bought new, for a few pennies more than comparable used ones.

is the BX perfect? Nope, I've got a few gripes. To date, I have not found anything that could have justified the $5,000 more for the JD and I doubt I would have spent the $3,000 more, for the MF (if I recall correctly, this was for the higher HP model, the GC1720).

 

[Fiziksgeek]

I can't tell what this thread is about. Is it Kubota vs. Massey or is it New vs. Used?

As far as brand goes, they are all about the same as long as you are comparing similar size machines. It comes down to personal preference. I will assert, is that if you really prefer the Massey, but buy the Kubota to save a few bucks, you'll probably be unhappy about your purchase...always wondering what could have been...

New vs. used, You gotta decide if a new machine with a full warranty is worth the extra price. Also, as I mentioned before, if you want to save some money, go look at some used Massey GCs as well to compare with the used Kubota.

Choose dealer over everything else. Eventually, no matter the brand, you are going to need some sort of service or parts, and you'll want a quality dealer!

 

[check]

Oops, forgot to put CAD. Sorry bout that, eh. I dig the lift variability (pun intended), with the loader. But I figured the capacity to height would be relative linearly among the various units. A benchmark. Ya, our dollar blows. BTW I have a bridge for sale :laughing: I don't think there's anything wrong with the BX25, just that the loader was slower then my personal preference. Warranties are similar since MF is 5 years. Thanks for all the responses... stirring the thought pot:confused2::confused2::confused2:

Maru, go get that BX25 NOW before someone else does! The new 20 3S is probably $24,000 or more (Canadian) plus HST.

I would definitely NOT take $16,000 for my BX25, and it is a 2009!

You snooze, you lose. If I were an American, say, living in or around Seattle, I would jump on it, because it would only take about 11 or $12,000 of my American money.

Good luck!