BX25D-1 vs XJ2025 vs MAX 24 vs eMAX 25 vs CS2410 vs GC1710

   / BX25D-1 vs XJ2025 vs MAX 24 vs eMAX 25 vs CS2410 vs GC1710 #21  
Emax and Max series are way different in the amount of stress they will take. Look at them carefully they are built different. Bought an Max 26xl after my dealer explained that for a lot of heavy work the Emax frame was to light. Bought Mahindra due to dealer. Only dealer who bothered to listen to me about what I wanted the machine for. Took the time to discuss different size machines. Non of the other dealers could be bothered to do that. Including another Mahindra dealer. Loader controls are ok backhoe is jerky takes a light touch.
 
   / BX25D-1 vs XJ2025 vs MAX 24 vs eMAX 25 vs CS2410 vs GC1710 #22  
Fairways: I did pretty much the same thing you did back in December - spreadsheet and all. I opted for a Kubota BX25 after the folks here convinced me of two things. First, drive them around and see which one I liked best. Second, which dealer with whom I felt more comfortable. With few exceptions, the units are similar to the point that it is not going to matter much based on specs. My wife further convinced me to get a unit with best resale value. Forget looking at the specs now and start comparing operation and dealers. All the units you've put on the sheet are contenders. Phase 1 is done, so put the sheet away and move on the Phase 2 - comfort in operation. Then Phase 3 - trusted dealer.
 
   / BX25D-1 vs XJ2025 vs MAX 24 vs eMAX 25 vs CS2410 vs GC1710
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#23  
Maybe back East. In Washington state there is a shortage of equipment. Last year I was looking for a knee mill for about 9 months and finally had to buy new... A new BX25D-1 if you're willing to drive out of the Seattle area is $17k. A 4 year old BX25 with 100 hours goes for $14.5K...

If you have time, why not pay attention to the used tractor market? It is fairly easy to get a very clean, nicely maintained machine for a lot less money than new would cost. At least around here- I've done just that three times in our quest for the "right" tractor for our specific needs.
In meeting the seller/owner, you can get a quick sense if they share values with you, or are just users who don't know or care about their tractors. Until you actually use one, I think you are hopefully guessing about what will best suit your requirements, and taking the hit of buying new and selling used would discourage learning by doing. In our case, cost of ownership was minimal, once the initial investment was made. Used Kubotas hold their value very well (again, around here, anyway) so we were able to sell for what we paid, basically, minus the time to service and "improve" the tractors with lights and such.
 
   / BX25D-1 vs XJ2025 vs MAX 24 vs eMAX 25 vs CS2410 vs GC1710 #24  
Fairways: I did pretty much the same thing you did back in December - spreadsheet and all. I opted for a Kubota BX25 after the folks here convinced me of two things. First, drive them around and see which one I liked best. Second, which dealer with whom I felt more comfortable. With few exceptions, the units are similar to the point that it is not going to matter much based on specs. My wife further convinced me to get a unit with best resale value. Forget looking at the specs now and start comparing operation and dealers. All the units you've put on the sheet are contenders. Phase 1 is done, so put the sheet away and move on the Phase 2 - comfort in operation. Then Phase 3 - trusted dealer.
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   / BX25D-1 vs XJ2025 vs MAX 24 vs eMAX 25 vs CS2410 vs GC1710 #25  
I was doing the same thing last year with similar models. I used to rent a BX25D when I needed a small backhoe and found it to be a nice small compact workhorse in tight spaces. Kubota dealers around here don't negotiate much on price though and the footprint was a little small for my intended uses. Having looked at them, I assume you already recognize that the CS and eMax are lawn tractors on steroids- I think you want to try seat time in the CK and Max with loader and backhoe which in size are more like the XJ 2025 and you'll move in that direction. I ended up with the XJ2025 TLB due to a combination of price and features. I don't regret the purchase and would do it again but all of these small tractors have their advocates on this forum.
 
   / BX25D-1 vs XJ2025 vs MAX 24 vs eMAX 25 vs CS2410 vs GC1710 #26  
I was doing the same thing last year with similar models. I used to rent a BX25D when I needed a small backhoe and found it to be a nice small compact workhorse in tight spaces. Kubota dealers around here don't negotiate much on price though and the footprint was a little small for my intended uses. Having looked at them, I assume you already recognize that the CS and eMax are lawn tractors on steroids- I think you want to try seat time in the CK and Max with loader and backhoe which in size are more like the XJ 2025 and you'll move in that direction. I ended up with the XJ2025 TLB due to a combination of price and features. I don't regret the purchase and would do it again but all of these small tractors have their advocates on this forum.

Is the XJ 2025 more comparable to the Kubota B 2650?? My uses will involve some disturbing of previously untouched "ground"...be it with the loader or a box blade. I see lots of BX series pictures moving loose dirt or mulch...but not too much leveling a 2-4' swale or box blading small roots and uneven ground out of a trail. I would like the small size of the BX but believe I would be better served with the B 2650/B 3350 due to weight and sturdiness??? I have mixed emotions as I have a tow vehicle and trailer that would work fine with the BX but probably will need to be replaced "soon"...maybe one season...with a B 2650...particularly after filling the rear tires.

Any thoughts on BX or equivalent digging in "virgin dirt"...in the woods? Thanks...I am really anticipating getting a tractor before the frost is out of the ground! TMR
 
   / BX25D-1 vs XJ2025 vs MAX 24 vs eMAX 25 vs CS2410 vs GC1710 #27  
"Any thoughts on BX or equivalent digging in "virgin dirt"...in the woods? Thanks...I am really anticipating getting a tractor before the frost is out of the ground! TMR "

It's a matter of scale and time vs. money. I doubt a BX25 is going to pull a 3 wide plow through anything except loose sand. You can probably pull a single plow with it. It will run a 4ft tiller though. Regardless, I think roots in this 'virgin' dirt may be more of an issue than the dirt itself. These SCUTs are very versatile but if you need some real horsepower, you might consider a used, 2nd tractor to be your 'farming' unit.

Alternatively, you might rent a big unit for the initial ground busting and then use your SCUT after that.
 
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#28  
If you can afford a B2650 TLB look at the CK2510 too. It's in that low $21,000 to $22,000 price range.
 
   / BX25D-1 vs XJ2025 vs MAX 24 vs eMAX 25 vs CS2410 vs GC1710 #29  
Hello there. My wife and I are looking to buy a little tractor-loader-backhoe that can do a lot of work, a little bit at a time. We bought a short sale on 5 wooded acres that has been neglected. We have big plans landscaping and cleaning the place up. Also we want to keep up a .15mi driveway and run a tiller a few times a year (dad had a tiller to borrow)

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Fairway,

Others are telling you, you are now done with the spreadsheet . . . and I would disagree . . . because something tells me numbers are important to you.

I would mention as an example that your Massey numbers are off in several spots. A 3pt lift will always be greater than a fel lift and your is way way low. I could go.on . . but my point is your speeadsheet needs work on accuracy but m9re importantly it needs more rows to reflect a series of things imo.

You listed the gc1710 yet for about 1100 to 1300 more than a gc1710 you can get a gc1720 with 2.5 more hp, a better seat that includes both coil AND spring suspension plus a rear light etc..

Your spreadsheet doesn't show sidehill angle stability ratings. It doesn't show the units that have forward engine cooling (like the bx and the massey have). It doesn't show that some tractors on the list are operational at 1500 rpm while others need 3000 rpm to move the fel without growing a beard. Where does your spreadsheet indicate differential lock on it?

My point is not to mock your spreadsheet or you . . my point is to show your spreadsheet lacks things or errors on thi gs that are significant issues that you might miss in a visit unless you know to look for them. And warranty length ??

I always liked the bx products but when I test drove the Massey gc1715/gc1720 I saw considerable differences in cockpit comfort . . In legroom . . In placement of pedals for leg comfort . . In sidehill comfort etc. etc.. take another example . . a gc1710 or 1720 comes with backhoe AND 3 pt unit AND both can be on at the same time. Which otherbtractors on your list do that ?

I think a spreadsheet is a fine thing to use as a checkoff list at dealer visits. BUT it needs to be inclusive of features not just "brochure numbers" that can be wildly varied from reality.

Sitting in the seats and running the units is a great thing to do . . . but it also means you have to understand what you're seeing and feeling too. My gc1715 can rpm at 3200 yet it cuts wonderful lawn at 2400. The point is? Useable power not dimensional power.

Lastly . . too often spreadsheets encourage "bigger is better" and oh so many times it isn't imo. Your initial description talked of a number of things a bx or massey would do very well. Then much later I see a post about leveling 2 to 4 foot sways ??? I'd gently encourage you not to think of a "do it all" machine because then things will not be well done on the smaller side of activities like sidehills and lawns and tighter turning. That doesn't mean a scut is small . . It means it does a great job on 85% instead of a bigger clunkier unit doing an average job on 35% and a great job on 50% . If you once in awhile don't rent something or hire someone for something bigger . . then you got too big and clunky imo.

You're going to do a great job . . Youre just not complete yet imo. Happy days . . this us the fun part.
 
   / BX25D-1 vs XJ2025 vs MAX 24 vs eMAX 25 vs CS2410 vs GC1710
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#30  
Thanks Dave. The CK2510 is my perfect tractor but it's out of Mt price range. I feel like the XJ2025 is as close as I'm going to get for less than $19K. How do you like the backhoe attachment that hangs down on the under carriage? It looks like it eats up a ton of clearance...

I think you want to try seat time in the CK and Max with loader and backhoe which in size are more like the XJ 2025 and you'll move in that direction. I ended up with the XJ2025 TLB due to a combination of price and features. I don't regret the purchase and would do it again but all of these small tractors have their advocates on this forum.
 

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