Oil & Fuel bx23 fuel consumption

/ bx23 fuel consumption #21  
Gary, I agree with you on not cutting already blended or reformulated fuels with anything if they are doing the job. You are certainly correct that at some point you could over dilute the diesel and create a problem for your equipment by cutting winter and perhaps even summer blend. I think your advice there is prudent.

If I may digress and perhaps be wrong /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.....If you think about how industry and business work.... One or a few leaders in any sector make improvements and the smaller less well capitalized businesses take allot longer to implement the changes and follow the leaders. Part of it is, as you know, they have to wait for the cost of the change to come within their means which usually occurs over time. So if a large fuel supplier in Maryland can't figure it (blending) out until around 1994 or 95, the small to mid size fuel supplier in remote parts of Maine is likely to be some years behind. They may require additional or separate fuel storage tanks etc.. I don't know their requirements, except that nearly any change in business involves serious $$. My point is that, yes, the guys in Maine recommending the kero cut may be giving out old information (wrong), or they may just be smarter about their fuels than we know. I know it's 2005 but I wouldn't bet my life that all of the diesel in America is winter blended, unless the State or Feds mandated it somewhere. Admittedly, one would think any lag on blending in more remote areas has passed by now. In that instance your recommendation for no additional kerosene is again, right on the mark. The science says the antigels are good (lubricants etc.) , even though I'm suspicious of the base product in at least some of them.

If I'm cutting fuel (no current need), it's still kerosene for now. Have you seen what the antigels do to paint? Not exactly what I want running thru my fuel line components, even diluted. My concern is fuel lines and seals.

I'm rather sure that diesel engine operators have been cutting diesel for over half a century with kero with little or no known adverse effects. More than a few still give the winter blend a drink of kero too, even if they shouldn't. I'm not hearing of failures realted to that though.

Someone just has to convince me that the antigels are that improved. They may actually be. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I bet Mad is right. All this has problably been poured over before and if I followup on this I may just move over to the Fuels and Lubricants forum. I've certainly cascaded in that direction.

Good comments guys!
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #22  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Also make sure to get one of those funnels with the water separator built into it. Can't remember who makes them - I think the one I got at my tractor dealer had a Parker label on it - but the filter is made by another company. )</font>

Sound advice in summer time too! Here's the link:

Mr. Funnel

Cheers,

Dan
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #23  
Chris,

I guess I have more "faith" in the ability of the anti gell additives to do their jobs than I have of the fear of diluted diesel. You are right they have been cutting diesel with kero for many years.

Irving Oil out of Canada does a large chunk of the diesel up here, I understand they start their winter mix in October. I will try to find out what they use. But I have to believe they are used to COLD!!!!!

This is one of those subjects I have seen come up on other forums such as:

The Diesel Stop

For the most part kerosine is not looked on fondly by the IDI crowd.

I think we have drifted this thread far enough. But it is an interesting topic! And it is good to see there are still places like this you can discuss such topics without causing a flame war. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gary
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #24  
Guess it's getting late so the "IDI crowd" is evading me right now?? You may have to steer me there. Here is a link to the Oil, Fuels, and Lubricants forum. web page Man that didn't look like it inserted right.

If Cowboydoc has it right, from the middle of the country west, the # 2 diesel is winter blended as a 50/50 mix of diesel and kero. Pretty simple. Junk has some good posts in that discussion as well. I can tell you that at 75 diesel/25 kero you have to be around zero to get close to having any problems. I've been there. I noticed the antigels changed the pour point but not the cloud point according to your earlier link. The antigels were effecting the the wax crystals that one would think dictate the cloud point. However, the antigels actually modify the pour point and not the cloud point. Go figure. That's probably is correct but it's a little confusing. It alters the test material (base diesel) that it shouldn't effect and doesn't alter the test on the material it claims to effect (the wax)? No matter.

I do believe the base product in the antigel would modify wax crystals and thin diesel as it sure cuts cured enamel paint. Not many oil based products do that. I actually think antigel base is lacquer thinner or something real close. Could be dead wrong but I doubt it. This petro stuff usually ends up being simpler than we think. If I'm close they better be adding some awful good lubricants to offset the work being done by that base product. Now you know the full story on my aprehensions regarding antigels. Until I know what they are I'm skeptical.

Funny if you think about it; I'm a little old school, like allot of these guys, but it's the pure science that will convince me or not. Time for some antigel research. Let me know if you find something on the composition side. I don't much care what they do (for the moment) just what they are.

Appreciate the discussion as your having me to think this through. I've certainly learned some things.
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Thanks,
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #25  
Gary, I sent my last post and a link back here to the Oil, Fuels, and Lubricants forum. See "Time to move the discussion"

Regards,
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #26  
Chris...... possibly antingel products are closer to brake fluid. Brake fluid will remove paint and it will absorb moisture. Doesn't hurt rubber parts either and is very slippery. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #27  
Escavator: There is alot of good info here, but sometimes these guys get carried away with the technical jargon.

Fuel in winter: Buy a 5 gallon fuel can for Diesel ONLY. Go to your local truck stop that gets alot of traffic. Keep that can filled with the "winter blend" that they sell at the truck stop. If you want to add some more "power service" or other addative, do so acccording to the directions on the bottle. Do not "cut" your fuel with Kero or gasoline! It will ruine your fuel pump in the long run. Stay with an over the counter winter blend and add further "power service" if you want. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #29  
Now that's one I hadn't thought of. And you are right about the qualities. Actually, brake fluid is even closer in appearance. I am curious to see if anyone digs something up on this. You know us tractor engineers /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif always need more information than makes sense anyhow. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #30  
Re: post 604457 /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #31  
Duh, Andy. It's the invisible font. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #32  
Grasshopper.....At times the " invisible font " is much better /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Well at least in this case . John
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #33  
Lost for words??????? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #34  
Just curious how do the tires handle in the snow, and do you use them for yard and /or field mowing and if so how do they treat you?
 
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Iam assuming this question was for me,since this old thread came up...that bx-23 with the loaded tires will do amazing things.i can drive right in and get bucket fulls in frozen banks,i candrive up snowbanks until the hoe is dragging on the ground behind me.i can go to unplowed areaswith 3 feet of snow,put the bucket down and drive forward untilthe snows coming over the tractor and into my lap...its impressive.I went down across my neighbors lawn,and into her apple orchard to chip some trees for her[the orchard is on a side hill] the owner was impressed because the tires never left a mark.rule of thumb:run it in 2 wheel drive,stay off wet ground.and you will be treading lightly.NOTE; i made the dealer demonstrate that this tractor would move frozen snow banks with ease .or i wouldnt buy it,it did,and when they were done i looked at the controls and they were in two wheel drive!!!!! the bar tires are great
ESCAVADER
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #36  
Many thanks,

I went with the bars.

Thanks again.

Pics of new BX3 to be posted soon.
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #37  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( At 12 hours on the hour meter,topped off the tank.took about 4 gallons,used about a gallon per 3 hours plowing and pushing back snow banks,at half throttle or so.dealer is having me use a 50percent kerosene mix to keep it from gelling,i have never heard of this.[its my first diesel]runs great and doesnt bother,in this cold Maine weather.guess *they must know all the tricks.been in business 75 years this year. )</font>


No way would I mix 50 percent kerosene .
Just use straight diesel and add 3 Oz. of power service per 5 Gal. of diesel.

*I'm not so sure about that as Ive'
Never heard of another dealer recommending a 50 50 diesel kero mix .
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #38  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( That's a pretty high kero mix for a diesel engine. I would be careful as Kubota does not approve of kero mix for the engine, and it may affect your warranty. Usually for a gelling issue about 10% kero is the most I have seen recommended. Kubota recommends using # 1 diesel for very cold climates. I have never had a gelling issue with #2 even at 5 degrees.

Looks like the dealer may have in mind shortining the life of the tractor
hoping to sell a replacment sooner.
Too much kero will reduce power and can cause premature wear in the injection pump and injectors.

paul
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Looks like the dealer may have in mind shortining the life of the tractor hoping to sell a replacment sooner.

One thing i do know is I would not buy a used tractor that had always been ran on such a 50/50 fuel mix.
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #39  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I haven't had any problems (that I know of) with the diesel gelling in my BX23. It is stored outside in one of those canvas temporary garages and has started up and run just fine. I am sure down here in Mass. it doesn't get quite as cold as it is up there in Maine but I think as long as you get your diesel from a station that does a decent amount of business (so you get fresh fuel flowing thru their storage tanks) you shouldn't have any problems. I get my fuel from a station that is right off the highway and just got built in the last few years so I know their fuel stock rotates and their tanks are good. Also make sure to get one of those funnels with the water separator built into it. Can't remember who makes them - I think the one I got at my tractor dealer had a Parker label on it - but the filter is made by another company. )</font> <font color="red"> MR. FUNNEL </font>
 
/ bx23 fuel consumption #40  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Iam assuming this question was for me,since this old thread came up...that bx-23 with the loaded tires will do amazing things.i can drive right in and get bucket fulls in frozen banks,i candrive up snowbanks until the hoe is dragging on the ground behind me.i can go to unplowed areaswith 3 feet of snow,put the bucket down and drive forward untilthe snows coming over the tractor and into my lap...its impressive.I went down across my neighbors lawn,and into her apple orchard to chip some trees for her[the orchard is on a side hill] the owner was impressed because the tires never left a mark.rule of thumb:run it in 2 wheel drive,stay off wet ground.and you will be treading lightly.NOTE; i made the dealer demonstrate that this tractor would move frozen snow banks with ease .or i wouldnt buy it,it did,and when they were done i looked at the controls and they were in two wheel drive!!!!!
<font color="red"> the bar tires are great </font>
ESCAVADER )</font>
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<font color="red"> The only way to go ! </font>
 

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