Henro...I tend to agree also. I saw the TZ's, and that kinda got me thinking of a tractor again. I bought the BX23 because of the backhoe and complete package. Maybe in a few years when I am done with the "Hoe" I will trade her in for something fresh again. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
BX2230 vs. TZ24DA
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Hi all,
I am, for all pratical purposes, a tractor newbie.
After checking out all the tractors that seem to be able to meet my needs, I chose a TZ18DA.
It was delivered yesterday, and as of today,(Sat.) I have put 3.5 hrs on it.
VERY nice machine!
I have a 2000 ft grass runway to mow, and I cut the whole thing(had a good 10" high grass on it) in a little over an hour.
This little tractor hauls butt, and cuts great! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Also put together a 17 cf cart for it this morning, will use it to haul stuff around my place/airstrip.
I'm no expert by a long shot, but the NH sub-cut works for me!!
I am, for all pratical purposes, a tractor newbie.
After checking out all the tractors that seem to be able to meet my needs, I chose a TZ18DA.
It was delivered yesterday, and as of today,(Sat.) I have put 3.5 hrs on it.
VERY nice machine!
I have a 2000 ft grass runway to mow, and I cut the whole thing(had a good 10" high grass on it) in a little over an hour.
This little tractor hauls butt, and cuts great! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Also put together a 17 cf cart for it this morning, will use it to haul stuff around my place/airstrip.
I'm no expert by a long shot, but the NH sub-cut works for me!!
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Did you get any implements other than the mower deck? How about a Front End Loader? Box blade to groom the driveway? Etc???
No other impements just yet, got the 54" mmm, that was it.
I went to Lowe's and got the cart for it...was a kit and only took an hour or so to assemble.
I plan on getting either a snow blade OR the FEL....I honestly do not have much use for a FEL though, no dirt to move, etc.
Seems to be mixed opinions on using a FEL for moving snow, here in the Northern Neck of Virginia, don't really have a LOT of snow, usually.
Course, with me saying that, this winter will probably be a doozy!!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
I went to Lowe's and got the cart for it...was a kit and only took an hour or so to assemble.
I plan on getting either a snow blade OR the FEL....I honestly do not have much use for a FEL though, no dirt to move, etc.
Seems to be mixed opinions on using a FEL for moving snow, here in the Northern Neck of Virginia, don't really have a LOT of snow, usually.
Course, with me saying that, this winter will probably be a doozy!!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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<font color="blue"> I honestly do not have much use for a FEL though, no dirt to move, etc.
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Could not help but think when I read these words...
If you have one they (the uses) will come... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Having a loader is one of the best parts of having a tractor...for many of us anyway... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Could not help but think when I read these words...
If you have one they (the uses) will come... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Having a loader is one of the best parts of having a tractor...for many of us anyway... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> I honestly do not have much use for a FEL though, no dirt to move, etc.
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Could not help but think when I read these words...
If you have one they (the uses) will come... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Having a loader is one of the best parts of having a tractor...for many of us anyway... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif )</font>
My Cub Cadet garden tractor does not have an FEL. When I bought my NH TC24D I did not get the FEL becuase I had a FEL on the Kubota B2910. It did not take very long to realize that I screwed up and I added a 12LA loader to the NH after the fact. When I bought my Ventrac 3000 I bought it to be strictly a mowing machine to speed up the mowing chores, and I think I have probably used the front "slip scoop" (sort of a mini-loader) for about 25% of the hours that I have racked up on that tractor. I think that Henro is right, you will find uses for the FEL that you never realized you had. But all that said, a garden cart and a shovel cost a couple thousand $$$ less than a FEL and can accomplish most of the same jobs . . . assuming your back is up to the task. For the first few years I lived in the country I didn't even consider a FEL, but as age crept up on me the desire for a FEL grew. Now I pretty much consider them to be indespensible, but often can't tell you exactly what it is used for because it seems to be used so frequently -sometimes as a simple tool carrier, sometimes to transport plants, sometimes to haul mulch, sometimes to haul building materials (see the thread about my daughter's playhouse), pushing snow in the winter, and they can even be used to carry the trash cans out to the curb!
I suspect that over time the desire to have a FEL will grow from "no need" to "how did I ever live without it?"
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Could not help but think when I read these words...
If you have one they (the uses) will come... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Having a loader is one of the best parts of having a tractor...for many of us anyway... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif )</font>
My Cub Cadet garden tractor does not have an FEL. When I bought my NH TC24D I did not get the FEL becuase I had a FEL on the Kubota B2910. It did not take very long to realize that I screwed up and I added a 12LA loader to the NH after the fact. When I bought my Ventrac 3000 I bought it to be strictly a mowing machine to speed up the mowing chores, and I think I have probably used the front "slip scoop" (sort of a mini-loader) for about 25% of the hours that I have racked up on that tractor. I think that Henro is right, you will find uses for the FEL that you never realized you had. But all that said, a garden cart and a shovel cost a couple thousand $$$ less than a FEL and can accomplish most of the same jobs . . . assuming your back is up to the task. For the first few years I lived in the country I didn't even consider a FEL, but as age crept up on me the desire for a FEL grew. Now I pretty much consider them to be indespensible, but often can't tell you exactly what it is used for because it seems to be used so frequently -sometimes as a simple tool carrier, sometimes to transport plants, sometimes to haul mulch, sometimes to haul building materials (see the thread about my daughter's playhouse), pushing snow in the winter, and they can even be used to carry the trash cans out to the curb!
I suspect that over time the desire to have a FEL will grow from "no need" to "how did I ever live without it?"
I decided I needed a FEL before I decided that I needed a tractor.
My wife wanted to put decorative rocks/pea gravel in her flowerbeds around the house. So she had a load of it delivered. The day it was to be delivered I put a tarp out where I wanted it dropped. Note that I am in the Qzarks and don't own any flat spots of ground. I put the tarp on a high spot so that I would be moving down hill with the wheelbarrow loads of gravel.
Of course after I left for work, and before the truck arrived, my wife moved the tarp to make it easier for the dump truck driver to back up to it. Easier being the lowest spot near the drive. I was not happy when I got home that evening and discovered that I would be pushing loads of gravel uphill.
I did about two loads and then told my wife I was going to town to get a trailer for the lawn tractor. She whined about spending the money on a trailer and said I should just work slower. She was in no hurry. Ain't she good to me? So I filled the wheelbarrow and then told her to work slowly while she moved it up the hill.
I did the rest of that job with my new trailer but the whole time I was filling it and emptying it by hand, I just knew that what I really needed was a FEL. And I got my tractor with a FEL about 6 months later.
Haven't moved any more pea gravel but I have moved a pallet of edging bricks and a few hundred bags of mulch from my trailer to 4 different flower beds. And there is no better tool for lifting my lawn tractor and trail mower to remove and sharpen the blades.
My wife wanted to put decorative rocks/pea gravel in her flowerbeds around the house. So she had a load of it delivered. The day it was to be delivered I put a tarp out where I wanted it dropped. Note that I am in the Qzarks and don't own any flat spots of ground. I put the tarp on a high spot so that I would be moving down hill with the wheelbarrow loads of gravel.
Of course after I left for work, and before the truck arrived, my wife moved the tarp to make it easier for the dump truck driver to back up to it. Easier being the lowest spot near the drive. I was not happy when I got home that evening and discovered that I would be pushing loads of gravel uphill.
I did about two loads and then told my wife I was going to town to get a trailer for the lawn tractor. She whined about spending the money on a trailer and said I should just work slower. She was in no hurry. Ain't she good to me? So I filled the wheelbarrow and then told her to work slowly while she moved it up the hill.
I did the rest of that job with my new trailer but the whole time I was filling it and emptying it by hand, I just knew that what I really needed was a FEL. And I got my tractor with a FEL about 6 months later.
Haven't moved any more pea gravel but I have moved a pallet of edging bricks and a few hundred bags of mulch from my trailer to 4 different flower beds. And there is no better tool for lifting my lawn tractor and trail mower to remove and sharpen the blades.
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I think mine follows me around when I work - it always seems to be right there waiting for me to put something in it! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I just downsized to a BX2230 this month but with all I am reading about how nice the NH and MF subs are I have decided that I need one of each!! Now, if you guys will just start sending donations I promise to report back on which one I like best...Deal?? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Funny, that's exactly what I did today. Just worked out that way, and I was sure HOT mowing a field. It's all good. John
Funny, that's exactly what I did today. Just worked out that way, and I was sure HOT mowing a field. It's all good. John
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None of you guys are being very helpful to me on this thread. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif It seems that I should choose NH or Kubota based on which dealer I like best. Well, 2 local dealers sell BOTH. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Now what am I supposed to do? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Actually, one of them also sells the Case/Farmall DX24E, which is supposedly the same as the NH, except for color & grille & headlights. The Case is $350 less than the NH, and the Kubota is $625 less than the Case.
So I guess I'm seriously considering the Case and the Kubota. But I still haven't decided. I have till June 30th to decide if I want the Case, and July 12th for the Kubota, to take advantage of the financing deal.
Actually, one of them also sells the Case/Farmall DX24E, which is supposedly the same as the NH, except for color & grille & headlights. The Case is $350 less than the NH, and the Kubota is $625 less than the Case.
So I guess I'm seriously considering the Case and the Kubota. But I still haven't decided. I have till June 30th to decide if I want the Case, and July 12th for the Kubota, to take advantage of the financing deal.
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OK, then let me help. Buy the Case/Farmall. It will give you a full Cat 1 hitch while the BX gives you a limited Cat 1 hitch.
Since money seems to be a major concern, you will have spent a bit more on the actual tractor buying the Farmall, however, you will be able to buy standard implements for the 3pt as opposed to the "estate size" implements which are scaled down to fit the BX. The problem with the "estate size" implements is that they seem to only come from the premium implement manufacturers and therefore come at a premium price. That said, in the long run, as you accumulate a few implements, the prices of those implements will likely save you more than that differential in the 2 tractors. Further, you will also save the grief of modifying any implements to fit the BX if you buy a standard implement, so you will save grief too. Further, the Farmall will have more lift on the 3pt so you will get greater ground clearance when transporting all the above implements.
See that was an easy decision! Get the Farmall.
Since money seems to be a major concern, you will have spent a bit more on the actual tractor buying the Farmall, however, you will be able to buy standard implements for the 3pt as opposed to the "estate size" implements which are scaled down to fit the BX. The problem with the "estate size" implements is that they seem to only come from the premium implement manufacturers and therefore come at a premium price. That said, in the long run, as you accumulate a few implements, the prices of those implements will likely save you more than that differential in the 2 tractors. Further, you will also save the grief of modifying any implements to fit the BX if you buy a standard implement, so you will save grief too. Further, the Farmall will have more lift on the 3pt so you will get greater ground clearance when transporting all the above implements.
See that was an easy decision! Get the Farmall.
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<font color="blue"> The problem with the "estate size" implements is that they seem to only come from the premium implement manufacturers and therefore come at a premium price. </font>
Tractor Supply Company is selling the XB line of implements from King Kutter, right next to King Kutter's full size line. However, as you said, they are smaller but cost more than their larger counterparts.
By purchasing the Case or New Holland, it will give you many more choices of implement brands to decide on, rather than a select few at a slightly higher cost.
Tractor Supply Company is selling the XB line of implements from King Kutter, right next to King Kutter's full size line. However, as you said, they are smaller but cost more than their larger counterparts.
By purchasing the Case or New Holland, it will give you many more choices of implement brands to decide on, rather than a select few at a slightly higher cost.
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AndyM, I didn't realize that KK had entered the scaled down implement business. But it is kind of odd that the smaller implements come at higher prices! I suppose that is a supply & demand issue. As a percentage of CUTs, the majority use regular size implements which means the supply is greater, competition exists, ect. Not so with the "estate size" implements I guess.
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Just rember not only are the implements scaled down in size, scaled up in price, they are also SCALED DOWN in strength. Go for the full size Cat I implements.
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Thats not nessesary the case across the board. The Woods estate line is a case in point. There price difference between standard and light duty is very small, the princple difference is the width of the pins, build quality is the same.
Part of buying this stuff from TSC is taking the gamble that its going to fit your tractor and never need parts. They probably went some where and had a low volume run done on an estate size product. Thus the higher price.
Part of buying this stuff from TSC is taking the gamble that its going to fit your tractor and never need parts. They probably went some where and had a low volume run done on an estate size product. Thus the higher price.
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Well, I drove an hour to a dealer on Friday that sells Case, NH, and Kubota to look at the 3 different machines. And he apparently sells quite a lot of Kubotas in my area (even though there is a NH/Kubota dealer 20 minutes away), and won't charge additional for delivery.
I put a deposit on the Case. I liked the color scheme and front grille more than I thought I would (and more than the NH - no offense blue owners, just my personal opinion), and although the 3 pt hitch was a consideration, it turns out that the curved loader arms were what really sold me on the Case IH Farmall machine made by Case New Holland. How's that for corporate name recognition?
The Case came in $360 less than the NH, and $700 more than the Kubota. The dealership seems to be on the up-and-up, and although it seems that dealers in other parts of the country seem to sell a bit cheaper than the ones out here, I'm satisfied with the price I paid.
In addition, my tractor, loader, and MMM were still in the crates and wrap, so they are assembling it this week. I will have it before the 4th of July weekend, maybe even this coming weekend. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Just hope those turf tires will do the job when I'm doing dirt work - it would be months before I could get a set of bar tires. I'm trying to decide if I should order a 2nd set of rims and bar tires (and wait a while for them), order bars from the local tire shop and swap the turfs out, or get a set of chains. I think the chains will be a bit of a hassle when doing dirt work, and then needing to cross lawn and/or paved surfaces.
Oh, and by the way, all the comments were actually very helpful. There's just a lot to sort through when buying one of these machines.
I put a deposit on the Case. I liked the color scheme and front grille more than I thought I would (and more than the NH - no offense blue owners, just my personal opinion), and although the 3 pt hitch was a consideration, it turns out that the curved loader arms were what really sold me on the Case IH Farmall machine made by Case New Holland. How's that for corporate name recognition?
The Case came in $360 less than the NH, and $700 more than the Kubota. The dealership seems to be on the up-and-up, and although it seems that dealers in other parts of the country seem to sell a bit cheaper than the ones out here, I'm satisfied with the price I paid.
In addition, my tractor, loader, and MMM were still in the crates and wrap, so they are assembling it this week. I will have it before the 4th of July weekend, maybe even this coming weekend. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Just hope those turf tires will do the job when I'm doing dirt work - it would be months before I could get a set of bar tires. I'm trying to decide if I should order a 2nd set of rims and bar tires (and wait a while for them), order bars from the local tire shop and swap the turfs out, or get a set of chains. I think the chains will be a bit of a hassle when doing dirt work, and then needing to cross lawn and/or paved surfaces.
Oh, and by the way, all the comments were actually very helpful. There's just a lot to sort through when buying one of these machines.
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I think you made a great choice.
I've posted several times regarding the advantages of the curved loader arms and it is nice to hear someone else compare the curved versus straight arms, side by side, and see the big differences I found. I think New Holland really hit on something with those curved arms. Extending them to the Farmalls is a natural. Kioti is the only other machine out there with curved arms and they also have a sloped and rounded hood to go with the curved arms so if I was doing a lot of loader work, and if I chose not to get a Power Trac (the best choice for loader-tractors) then the best choices are the New Holland, Farmall and CK series Kioti.
I've posted several times regarding the advantages of the curved loader arms and it is nice to hear someone else compare the curved versus straight arms, side by side, and see the big differences I found. I think New Holland really hit on something with those curved arms. Extending them to the Farmalls is a natural. Kioti is the only other machine out there with curved arms and they also have a sloped and rounded hood to go with the curved arms so if I was doing a lot of loader work, and if I chose not to get a Power Trac (the best choice for loader-tractors) then the best choices are the New Holland, Farmall and CK series Kioti.
