BX issues/troubles?

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grizzjeeper

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Kubota l3400 HST
Bought a 2004 BX2230 with 134 hours on it and have a few questions concerns. The manual states that the hydraulic control lever will automatically go back to the neutral position. This one won't and just makes a relief valve like noise when left up.

Secondly the hst peddle sticks in forward occasionally. When off the peddle moves freely and has been greased. Any thoughts?

Also the Hydraulic lift makes a funny noise when slowly moving lever to up position. Almost like a faint grining noise, doesnt do it everytime but enough to make me wonder if its normal. Of course you never know what normal is when you buy used.
 
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I have a BX23 with a 54" MMM...The lever for the hyrdaulics for the deck do not automatically go back to neutral postion on this one either...Have noticed the pedal for the front/rear movement tends to "kinda want to return" in the forward mode...Love the tractor and have learned to work with this.

Don
 
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grizzjeeper said:
Bought a 2004 BX2230 with 134 hours on it and have a few questions concerns. The manual states that the hydraulic control lever will automatically go back to the neutral position. This one won't and just makes a relief valve like noise when left up.

Which control lever?????? The FEL or the 3PH?
 
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No the 3pt lever. In the operator manual it says lever will retern to nutral position (middle) if left in either up or down position. If I raise the mower deck up, the 3pt arms also raise up and if left in the up position it will make a noise until the lever is brought back to center. I have never seen a draft lever do this. My l3400 certainly doesnt.
 
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There is an adjustment for the 3ph return position. Can't remember too much, except there was a nut on a long spring shaft shaft accessible from the rear.

Sorry for the senile response, but my point is it can be adjusted. Mine (2005 BX23) goes down when the 3ph hitch gets to the top.
 
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I have both problems on my 2001 BX 2200... minimal annoyance though, although the pedal worries me with the kids mowing. I understand the pedal is a design flaw on the 2200 (tight "cradle bearings") which I would think would have been fixed on your later model 30, so perhaps you just need to clean and lube the pedal linkage (as opposed to the pivot).

- Patrick
 
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I have 2004 BX2230 that I bought new and is pushing 300 hrs. It has the exact same issues as you mention. There is an adjustment for the hydraulic lever return to neutral problem. I've never tried to adjust it. If you leave it at the top without pushing back down to neutral it dead heads the hydraulics which is the noise you're hearing. It doesn't do this if you leave the lever in the down position. The grinding noise you're hearing is normal and usually happens when you have the lever pulled only part way back.

The pedal sometimes sort of sticks in forward but I just use my heel on the reverse side of the pedal and it's OK. There may be an adjustment for that too. I keep it greaed but it doesn't help.

This is actually my wife's tractor she uses to mow with. It has the 60" MMM and does a great job. We are very happy with it all in all.:)
 
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3ph lever not returning:
Going by memory as I don't have a WSM at work.
There is a rod that runs from the lever assembly back to the right side of the HST that connects to the upper 3ph arm. The rod has two springs, one on either side of the bracket that attaches to the 3ph arm and there are two lock nuts that can be screwed in/out to adj the spring tension. This spring tension is what "returns" the 3ph lever to neutral. You can access this assembly in the gap between the top of the right rear wheel and the fender.
Your best bet is to shine a light in this area and work the 3ph lever to see how it works. You shoul dbe able to adj accordingly.

Sticking HST treadle peddle.
There are two main causes of this and either can be corrected w/PB Blaster and grease.
1) The pedal has a grease zerk which is visable just above the floor board on it's inboard side. I normally give mine a shot or two every 10 hrs when I'm greaseing the MMM and/or FEL.

2) The linkage from the pedal back to the HST could be dirty/corroded of have debris in the moving surfaces. Give all those working parts a good cleaning w/a garden hose set to it's highest pressure to get all the debis out then give every moving joint a generous soaking w/PB Blaster or similar lubricant/degreaser/ etc.
The pedal will always have some return resistance and will sometimes stick but generally it should return to neutral on it's own. There is also a spring adj for the return for the pedal and it is located on the linkage where it connects to the HST assembly.

re. tractor hydraulics in general:
All hydraulic implement controls on just about all tractors are plumbed in series. Meaning that hydraulic pressure leaves the pump and must pass through all the controls and return to the sump that inturn feeds fluid back to the pump. This is refered to as a closed system and allows the hydraulic fluid to be at it's rated pressure and circulating throughout the system ready to work.
With this setup all the hydraulic controls must be a "power beyond" type control meaning hydro power flows it and out of it when the control is in neutral. This way it feeds the other controls on down the line.
When one works the FEL, it's using the majority of the available hydro power to work the implement which means theres very little to no power available to work any additional down stream implements simultaniously.
So when the 3ph control doesn't return to neutral, it is actually diverting power to the 3ph assembly which causes the squealing your hear. This squealing because the 3ph is usually already all the way up or down and the relief valve is opening. This also causes a very common situation with other implements like the FEL or BH not working because all the hydro power is being inadvertantly used at the 3ph.

Clear as mud? :D

In larger tractors, they'll actually have 2, 3 or more pumps and separate hydro circuits. One to provide for PS, another for the 3ph and yet another for the FEL & BH. Obviously they won't have the above situation like our single pump BX tractors.
Not to muddy up the above explanation but our BX tractors do have a diverter valve that separates the power steering circuit from the "working" hydro circuits (FEL, MMM, BH etc) which provides the BX's the ability to both steer and work an FEL and/or 3ph simultaniously. But theres a slight tradeoff in performance, the steering will get harder (and sometimes jerky) and the implement will raise/lower slower since both are working and using the same hydro power at the same time. So if you encounter this situation be advised that it is normal.

I HIGHLY recommend getting the owners manual for your model if you don't have one as all these maintenance items are covered in it as well as other important maintenance items.
Well breaks over, time to get back at it.
 
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Thanks for the responses guys. Yes this makes alot more sense now. I wish the deck and 3pt arms would raise at idle, seems I have to throttle up. I dont know why? Is this normal too?
 
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grizzjeeper said:
Thanks for the responses guys. Yes this makes alot more sense now. I wish the deck and 3pt arms would raise at idle, seems I have to throttle up. I dont know why? Is this normal too?

That is normal to have to throttle up to at least half.
 
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BigD23 said:
I have a BX23 with a 54" MMM...The lever for the hyrdaulics for the deck do not automatically go back to neutral postion on this one either .

Don
My BX23 with a 60" MMM.
The lever for the hyrdaulics for the deck will automatically
return to to the neutral postion after lifting the deck.
It won't automatically return to to the neutral postion after lowering the deck so i have to manually move the lever to the neutral postion.

The BX1500 is just the opposite.
The lever for the hyrdaulics for the rear tiler will not automatically return to to the neutral postion after lifting the tiller so i have to move it to the center position by hand.
It automatically returns to to the neutral postion after lowering the tiller .

The other BX1500 works like it should.
The lever returns to neutral after lowering or lifting the 48'' mmm.
 
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grizzjeeper said:
* I wish the deck and 3pt arms would raise at idle, seems I have to throttle up. I dont know why? Is this normal too?
The faster the motor speed the quicker the implements due to the pump changing speed.
*They will on my bx23 but it is slow going.
I usually speed the engine up to 1/4 to 1/3 RPM raise the attachments to where i want them and slow the engine back down to the speed i want it at.
 
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grizzjeeper said:
. If I raise the mower deck up, the 3pt arms also raise up and if left in the up position it will make a noise until the lever is brought back to center. doesnt.
Also the front blade can't be lifted while the lever is in the up position .
I found this out the cold hard way last winter while trying to plow snow with the front blade.
When i went to back up the blade wouldn't lift and i got the tractor stuck in the snow.
Later I discovered the lever was in the up position.
Hand placed the lever in the center net. position and the blade lifted rite up.
 
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All seems normal with your machine.

But I will say on the "lever returns to neutral" thing:
Mine never goes to neutral after dropping anything, but it always went to neutral after raising things UNTIL I mis-treated my 3PH after augering my PHD into the ground...I held the lever "up" while at full throttle, rocking the tractor back and forth trying to recover my auger.

After that mishap, I noticed it would NOT return to neutral. I also noticed a bit more "whine" out of my hydraulics in any movement, even the FEL.

I had my machine serviced shortly thereafter and had all fluids changed. Everything is back to normal, no noise (more than original, anyway), and the lever goes to neutral after raising. Dealer figured I stressed or overheated the system and induced a leak out of one of the quick connects at the FEL or BH. Not sure if I buy it, but a complete hydraulic fluid change did the trick.

And the FEL and 3PH DOES work at idle, it is just slower than Aunt Edna. Almost too slow to even know anything is happening. Idle is idle...not good for much other engaging the mower deck and moving really slow around the garage. Everything else requires at least 1/4 to 1/2 throttle, depending. Real work requires 1/2 to 3/4 throttle, depending...this is where almost all your FEL work happens. Mowing and super-duty work (full FEL capacity, full BH capacity, full ground speed, and ALL mowing duties) happens at WOT.
 
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My deck will raise at idle, just very very slowly, however, I can't lift the front wheels with the loader at idle, I have to power up. Took me awhile to figure that out and get the loader off when I first got the tractor.

I think that's all normal stuff.
 
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My '01 BX2200 tph/mmm lever generaly will stay in the lower position so the deck will float. It used to stick in the raise position til I gave the linkage a shot of a magic potion called WD-40.:)
 
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My understanding of the correct operation 3pt lever on a BX2230. There are adjustment springs for the lever auto return to holding (center) position for when the arms are nearly all the way up. Mine was not adjusted when delivered and lever would stay up lifting the relief valve. Not hard to adjust but can be sensitive to get a consistent return for maximum height just before the lift tops out.
The Lift lowered the lever should stay down as this is the float position (no not talking about FEL) for the 3point, meaning if the arms are not all the way down with the implement in it's working position, and you go through a dip the implement will follow the dip up to the limit of down travel in the 3 pt and not skip over the dip as it would in the center holding position.

Lowering the 3pt simply releases fluid from the lift cylinder, there is no down force applied by the hyd system.

Edit: Actually, there is a spring on both sides of the rod. If adjusted like the manual describes then just before the arms get to the top end springs will send lever back to the middle and just before or at the bottom of travel of the 3pt arms are reached the lever will return to the middle. I went and checked. You can still leave the lever in the lower position without harm and the 3pt will float up and down (vs just up with lever in middle)
 
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3ph lever not returning:
Going by memory as I don't have a WSM at work.
There is a rod that runs from the lever assembly back to the right side of the HST that connects to the upper 3ph arm. The rod has two springs, one on either side of the bracket that attaches to the 3ph arm and there are two lock nuts that can be screwed in/out to adj the spring tension. This spring tension is what "returns" the 3ph lever to neutral. You can access this assembly in the gap between the top of the right rear wheel and the fender.
Your best bet is to shine a light in this area and work the 3ph lever to see how it works. You shoul dbe able to adj accordingly.


I was having this type of problem on my BX2200 until I cleaned this area of rod and springs and then lubed the rod with a spray lubricant so that the rod slides freely - worked like new afterwards.
 
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Barney is correct and there is I believe adjustment procedures in the owners manuals for the rod. There is a sliding split bolt up front on the rod for raise or lower limit (one or the other) and the two nuts on the end will get your other direction set. Loosen them from one another with a pair of wrenches then adjust the bolt towards the spring, then tighten together to snug. You may need to adjust for different attachments and the weight a little. One other thing is the hydo cylinder valve (Black Knob under the front right seat corner on the BX22) needs to be set at the speed you wish to raise and lower the 3PH. If the valve is set wrong you curtail the lift speed by restricting the hydro flow too much, and will have to run the RPM's higher to get your lift. If you have it wide open your attachments will jump to attention real quick. I don't think it controls the FEL or BH, but then maybe it does. HMMM
 

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