hello and thanks.....have a chance at a yanmar 186d with mower, finish mmower, harrow, diskand rear blade for maybe 3,000 ar alittle more OR a john deere 650 with 500 hrs with a loader and box scraper for 6,ooo.....the jd is 1988 and the yanmar is early 80's hours unknown but not used that much I.m having trouble deciding about this.....I would like to have a loader but will the size of the jd be enough...I have 8 acres and will be working say . half of it I don't know at the moment......mostly looking for some feed back on these prices....thanks again ken
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Are you wrenchy? That yanmar is cheaper due to the fact that it is an orphan. Luckilly it is not a grey market unit. Still if you don't have a yanmar dealer around.. if it breaks.. you fix it.. i fhte JD breaks.. they fix it.. JD will laugh at you if you tote a yanmar in.
That said.. my first tractor was a yanmar...
good luck, and investigate all sides of the puzzle.
Decide what you want to do with the tractors, then get one sized for the jobs.
Post back with some specifics, and I'mm sure you'll get lots of opinions.
Soundguy
That said.. my first tractor was a yanmar...
good luck, and investigate all sides of the puzzle.
Decide what you want to do with the tractors, then get one sized for the jobs.
Post back with some specifics, and I'mm sure you'll get lots of opinions.
Soundguy
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Soundguy is right about the support for your tractor. If you want a loader (I love them) the JD may be a better deal. It is low hours and has plenty of parts and repair service available. The yanmar will cost nearly as much after you add the loader and necessary "plumbing" for it. The other 3PT implements are less than a loader and can often be bought cheaply from the local paper/dealer/auctions since they will fit "all" tractors (same catagory hitch that is). Then you can also buy only the ones you need.
You may want to think exactly what you want to do with the land (brush hog, clean up and turn to turf, farm/plant, ditches, make drive/road, pole building, etc) and as Soundguy said pick the tractor that does the jobs needed.
You may want to think exactly what you want to do with the land (brush hog, clean up and turn to turf, farm/plant, ditches, make drive/road, pole building, etc) and as Soundguy said pick the tractor that does the jobs needed.
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<font color="blue"> Are you wrenchy? That yanmar is cheaper due to the fact that it is an orphan. Luckilly it is not a grey market unit. Still if you don't have a yanmar dealer around.. if it breaks.. you fix it.. i fhte JD breaks.. they fix it.. JD will laugh at you if you tote a yanmar in.
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Soundguy hit the nail right on the head. I rode a Chinese made Bison that I bought new from Quality Farm & Fleet before they were bought out. For 5 years I had to scramble on the Internet to find parts whenever needed them and I had to do all the service myself. I will never go through that scenario again. Once is enough for anybody. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
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Soundguy hit the nail right on the head. I rode a Chinese made Bison that I bought new from Quality Farm & Fleet before they were bought out. For 5 years I had to scramble on the Internet to find parts whenever needed them and I had to do all the service myself. I will never go through that scenario again. Once is enough for anybody. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
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I would suspect that finding parts for either an orphan tractor or a grey market tractor is much like finding parts for an antique that is being restored.
THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS when I am restoring an antique, I am doing it for fun and if it takes me 3 months to track down a specific part that is no big deal because I have other machines available to complete the jobs that require a tractor. If you buy an orphan, and if your tractor breaks, you don't have the luxury of sitting around for a few months while you source out your part. JUST MY OPINION but for a primary tractor, I would want something that had parts and service support close by.
JD would be my choice.
THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS when I am restoring an antique, I am doing it for fun and if it takes me 3 months to track down a specific part that is no big deal because I have other machines available to complete the jobs that require a tractor. If you buy an orphan, and if your tractor breaks, you don't have the luxury of sitting around for a few months while you source out your part. JUST MY OPINION but for a primary tractor, I would want something that had parts and service support close by.
JD would be my choice.
(Bob-not really in reply to your post, just an addition to the thread).
I don't think that the yanmar is exactly an orphaned tractor. I imagine Len Sheaffer could get you almost any part you need for the machine, especially since it is a US model. There may be some parts that are unavailable, but once a tractor hits about 10-15 years old, even JD/NH/Kubota parts support may begin to deteriorate. I had an old JD 2010 (1964 model) and only a few parts were available from JD - or course, that's almost 40 years versus 10/15 years. I would also say I found every part I was looking for either from aftermarket dealers or junkyards, though.
The grey market tractors seem to absorb an undue amount of criticism. I have had a Yanmar F16D for over five years, over 500 hours of operation (primarily mowing/bushhoggin/postholedigging/spraying), and I've replaced the filters and fluids for maintenance and charged the battery up a couple of times - that's it. I have no idea if I will have parts difficulty - but I'm gonna have to need parts first.
For your case, though, I would probably lean to the JD, simply because it already has a loader. A loader for the Yanmar will probably go $2,000-$3,000, although the Yanmar comes with quite an assortment of 3PH items. Depending on how many of those items you actually need and will use and would have to buy for the JD versus the cost of a loader for the Yanmar would be what I would use as the final judge of which tractor. I'm not that familiar with the JD 650, but I think that the tractors are of similar size aren't they? If you need all the implements and can add a loader for less than the price of the JD and the implements you would buy to use, then I would go Yanmar....if not, JD.
I doubt the above babbling really helped, but good luck to you.
I don't think that the yanmar is exactly an orphaned tractor. I imagine Len Sheaffer could get you almost any part you need for the machine, especially since it is a US model. There may be some parts that are unavailable, but once a tractor hits about 10-15 years old, even JD/NH/Kubota parts support may begin to deteriorate. I had an old JD 2010 (1964 model) and only a few parts were available from JD - or course, that's almost 40 years versus 10/15 years. I would also say I found every part I was looking for either from aftermarket dealers or junkyards, though.
The grey market tractors seem to absorb an undue amount of criticism. I have had a Yanmar F16D for over five years, over 500 hours of operation (primarily mowing/bushhoggin/postholedigging/spraying), and I've replaced the filters and fluids for maintenance and charged the battery up a couple of times - that's it. I have no idea if I will have parts difficulty - but I'm gonna have to need parts first.
For your case, though, I would probably lean to the JD, simply because it already has a loader. A loader for the Yanmar will probably go $2,000-$3,000, although the Yanmar comes with quite an assortment of 3PH items. Depending on how many of those items you actually need and will use and would have to buy for the JD versus the cost of a loader for the Yanmar would be what I would use as the final judge of which tractor. I'm not that familiar with the JD 650, but I think that the tractors are of similar size aren't they? If you need all the implements and can add a loader for less than the price of the JD and the implements you would buy to use, then I would go Yanmar....if not, JD.
I doubt the above babbling really helped, but good luck to you.
rockyridgefarm
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Buy both.
JeffRey30747
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If you are looking for a loader, the JD is probably the better tractor for you. If not the Yanmar may be the better of the choice. I have a 186D that was abused by someone prior to me. I have ordered a lot of parts and don't recall hitting anything that is obsolete as of yet. The powershift is really nice for mowing and I don't think Yanmar let JD have that on their tractors. Power steering wasn't standard on the 186 but mine doesn't have a loader and I don't really miss the power steering that much.
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rockyridgefarm
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I was serious. If the attachments are good with the Yannie, its like getting it for $1500. You could sell the tractor alone, or keep both (they are small) each one setup for work.
But its hard to pass up a loader. If I were getting one, it'd probably be the Deere. Deere has used equipment listed on their website. You can search around your area and all over. As I remember, that is a pretty good price with a loader.
But its hard to pass up a loader. If I were getting one, it'd probably be the Deere. Deere has used equipment listed on their website. You can search around your area and all over. As I remember, that is a pretty good price with a loader.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( would suspect that finding parts for either an orphan tractor or a grey market tractor is much like finding parts for an antique that is being restored )</font>
I agree, though the model being restored may or may not have good parts availability. I know I can run down to tractor supply and get MANY parts for my 50-60 year old fords... the only thing I can get for my yanmar is a metric nut/bolt out of their hardware bins. However on the flip side.. If it was something like a cockshutt.. you may have a harder time finding it, that just calling Len.. etc.
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I agree, though the model being restored may or may not have good parts availability. I know I can run down to tractor supply and get MANY parts for my 50-60 year old fords... the only thing I can get for my yanmar is a metric nut/bolt out of their hardware bins. However on the flip side.. If it was something like a cockshutt.. you may have a harder time finding it, that just calling Len.. etc.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't think that the yanmar is exactly an orphaned tractor. I imagine Len Sheaffer )</font>
I not only meant orphaned as for parts.. but for service as well. Sure i can get 'most' of the domestic yanmar parts from a dealer.. and 'some' o fthe grey market parts, but unless I have a yanmar dealer around... I'm turning the wrench on it..
Just lots of stuff to consider for a new tractor owner, before they jump into a tractor that doesn't have thebenefit of support networks like the 'Big three".
Soundguy
I not only meant orphaned as for parts.. but for service as well. Sure i can get 'most' of the domestic yanmar parts from a dealer.. and 'some' o fthe grey market parts, but unless I have a yanmar dealer around... I'm turning the wrench on it..
Just lots of stuff to consider for a new tractor owner, before they jump into a tractor that doesn't have thebenefit of support networks like the 'Big three".
Soundguy
I do not see any difference in parts support between the Yanmar and the JD 650. They are both manufactured by Yanmar. The parts for both tractors come from Japanese Yanmar factories. Both tractors have parts support in the USA. If parts are still manufactured or warehoused for either tractor you should be able to get them.
pennwalk
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The 186d is a little nicer tractor with slightly larger smoother and quieter 3 cylinder engine and powershift transmission. Yanmar has a parts warehouse in Illinois and still supports the Yanmar tractors made for the American market. I have often wondered why they still support what must be a relativly small number of tractors. Maybe it is a side effect of having to sell John Deere parts for the many tractors that have Yanmar hearts. That said having a full service dealer near-by is tremendously convieniant and John deere is more likely to have a dealer near-by. However if you are looking at a 186d maybe there is a Yanmar dealer near-by. A lot of Yanmar owners have found that it works pretty well to mail order the parts they need. If you are in a hurry you can get them shipped overnight and have them delivered next day to your doorstep. If you are lucky neither tractor will need very much in the way of parts. These little beasts live for a long time.
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