Buying 40 Acres- being surveyed- keep neighbors happy

   / Buying 40 Acres- being surveyed- keep neighbors happy #21  
I had the 38 acres I was purchasing surveyed last December for $1100. It had not been surveyed for 30-40 years prior to that.
When I had a 1/3 acre industrial lot surveyed 3 years ago that was $600 and had been surveyed a few years before that.
No rhyme or reason sometimes I guess.

Warhammer

Brokermike said:
I'd love to know more about these $1200 surveys. I just ordered a survey and my first quote for 10 acres was nearly $3,000!!!
 
   / Buying 40 Acres- being surveyed- keep neighbors happy #22  
Sometime here in the past on TBN a good idea for protecting corner survey markers was mentioned. After the surveyors placed there corner pins the owner came back and drove rebar stakes below grade three foot from the corner pins. If the surveyor's pins were "accidentally" moved by a neighbor it was an easy process with a metal detector to relocate the original position. That system struck me as good cheap insurance at the time I read it.

MarkV
 
   / Buying 40 Acres- being surveyed- keep neighbors happy #23  
There are different types of surveys available.

A survey in which the pins are inserted in the ground is more than, say, a survey in which they mark the corners with a wood stake and pink flag. One survey they may just be looking for pins to begin with. I'm not a pro and don't know the specific details, but I do remember having options for the survey types. There are surveys provided for mortgage purposes that simply verify your neighbors are where they belong, but doesn't supply you with pins in the ground to reference in the future.
 
   / Buying 40 Acres- being surveyed- keep neighbors happy #24  
Personally, I would wait until after the deal closes, then personally go to each neighbor (not call, go sit down) and "introduce" yourself as the new neighbor. Doesn't matter if you already know them or not. Be honest, tell them your plans, discuss any discrepencies on the survey, discuss anything they are using the land for, your liability concerns if they are, ask if you can work something out (yearling hunting lease if you don't mind, hunting buddies, whatever)...You may find some who are peeved you took the land without them knowing it, they wanted to buy it...appologize, say you didn't know their situation, you were offered the land (or offered to buy), deal was made, you weren't aware of other situations...take the high road, if they are mad, they will be mad. Be humble, be nice, don't be confrontational, but make sure they know you own it. Leave all your contact info if they need anything, offer to help. And I agree, good fences make good neighbors! Even a 2 strand barbless wire fence with posts 20 feet on center, ON the property line is better than "that tree line"...

The one lady using your land for a driveway, tell her your lawyer advises you to get the permission to use it in writing, write a simple lease for 50 years at $1 per year, pay first year, balance payable at the end of the lease in one lump sum if no changes to lease are made, lease is broken at change of property ownership, lease can be broken by any party with X months notice...and have it recorded at the courthouse, then there will never be an adverse possesion case. Chances are the property won't stay in the same hands for 50 years, the lease will be broken and no additional payment required, but you will be covered from adverse possesion. If it does go 49 years, give notice before it's up, with the offer of a new lease for 50 years at $1.01 per year, same terms...

And congrats, looks like a great piece of land! Trees and an area like that are unheard of in my area, if there are trees on a piece of land, someone planted each and every tree and watered them until established...
 
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   / Buying 40 Acres- being surveyed- keep neighbors happy #25  
jinman said:
Bill, I think I'd tell your neighbor that I was going to take "adverbial possession" of my property. That is quickly.;) I'd also give him firm orders to stay off my property and explain trespassing and criminal trespassing. If he comes onto your land which you have identified with proper authority (the survey) after you have given him notice, and he does any damage to a stucture you have built (like a fence), then he exposes himself to much higher penalty that's normally enforced as a criminal penalty instead of a civil case.

If he already had a crop planted, what I would probably do is to tell the gent that I would lease him the land and write up an agreement to do that for $1 until he could harvest his crop. Be sure to set a specific date for termination of the lease. Then, after the lease period, I'd do my fence or take full possession of my land. I'd probably offer that before making any other demands. Take the "high road" first.

Ditto on that...the farmer who lived behind my stepdad's house farmed a 20' wide by 4/10 mile strip of his land on their border for 20 years or more. When my stepdad finally got a survey he found out the true line and had it fenced.
The farmer asked about it, my stepdad showed him the survey and that was the end of it.
 
   / Buying 40 Acres- being surveyed- keep neighbors happy #26  
I do not feel you should tell your new neighbors your future plans. From my experience, if someone knows you want to build a house behind theirs and they don't want it there they will start to fight you well before you get to break ground. If you are going to build there, follow the local laws, get the right permits and go about building in a manner that keeps you happy without upsetting your neighbors too much. Some people are going to complain no matter what. Don't give these type of people any extra time to come up with a way to fight you.

I do not have very many neighbors here and the few that border our main farm do not bother us and we do not bother them. We all do our own things and get along fine. None of us clear our plans with the others first. We just go about our lives and when we see each other we say hi. That is what is great about living in the country, you generally have privacy.

I seem to recall a thread on here about someones neighbor taking them to court because they were building their house in the field they bought but that field was the neighbors view and the house ruined their view:rolleyes: . Some people will find anything to complain about so don't tell people any more then they "need" to know.
 
   / Buying 40 Acres- being surveyed- keep neighbors happy #27  
MarkV said:
Sometime here in the past on TBN a good idea for protecting corner survey markers was mentioned. After the surveyors placed there corner pins the owner came back and drove rebar stakes below grade three foot from the corner pins. If the surveyor's pins were "accidentally" moved by a neighbor it was an easy process with a metal detector to relocate the original position. That system struck me as good cheap insurance at the time I read it.

MarkV

GREAT ADVICE!!...and I did just that when I had my survey done using 6' pieces of rebar. And along the boundary lines where wood stakes were placed, I drove a 6" rebar at everyone of those. In addition I took many many many many digital pics.
 
   / Buying 40 Acres- being surveyed- keep neighbors happy #28  
Sorry, it's not great advice. The stakes, usually with a brightly colored ribbon tied to it, which surveyors place in corners and on the lines are not corner pins or property line markers. They are there to give people a general idea of where the corner and lines are and are near the line, not on the line. Driving in rebar on your own will only serve to confuse all future surveyors.:( :eek:
 
   / Buying 40 Acres- being surveyed- keep neighbors happy #29  
MikePA said:
Sorry, it's not great advice. The stakes, usually with a brightly colored ribbon tied to it, which surveyors place in corners and on the lines are not corner pins or property line markers. They are there to give people a general idea of where the corner and lines are and are near the line, not on the line. Driving in rebar on your own will only serve to confuse all future surveyors.:( :eek:

Mike your point is well taken and I can see how additional rebar or such could cause confusion for future surveyors. My corners are marked and recorded as '1/2 inch galvanized pipe' so I believe these to be the true corner pins. I have had some moved in the past either by accident or on purpose. Do you know of a better way to relocate original points short of paying a surveyor to come out again?

MarkV
 
   / Buying 40 Acres- being surveyed- keep neighbors happy #30  
MarkV said:
Do you know of a better way to relocate original points short of paying a surveyor to come out again?
Nope, sorry.:(
 

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