building a new house

[EddieWalker]

I understand using what you have, but I'm wondering if he used ICQ nails? Preasure treated 2x4's and 2x6's have a new chemical process and it will eat out standard nails in just a few years. No more arsnic, but all sorts of other, new corossive chemicals.

It's also important to know what you attach to it. If you nail or screw onto it, you better be using ICQ or galvanized screws and nails. Every metal that is used in that wood needs to be designed to use with the new Preasure Treated chemicals.

Eddie

 

[_RaT_]

Rat,

I saw that too. Not sure if I've ever seen that on interior walls before, and never on every interior wall in a house. I wonder if that's why his friend needed extra nails?

Did you notice they also used Preasure Treated Sill Plates on the interior walls? It's common on a bathroom, but why use it on all the other walls? I sure hope they used ICQ nails. Same thing with mixing the PT wood with the untreated wood in the box on the wall with the arches.

Eddie

Any wood in contact with concrete must be pressure treated or redwod (here). Well, redwood is all but gone so that leaves pressure treated. On some shear walls we even use 3X mudsill material for extra nailing. When I was in Hawaii, all wood was pressure treated. Sill, plates, studs, headers. The bugs there like the climate. If I was a bug, I would probably choose Hawaii or San Diego.

 

[socallly]

Eddie, what is a ICQ nail? Thanks

 

[EddieWalker]

They are just specially galvanized coated nails that won't corode when used with Preasure Treated wood. Look on the boxes of nails at the store and you will see some with that written on them. I'm pretty sure it's a green square or triangle in the corner of the box, but I'm just guessing of that. You can buy them for a framing gun, but they are super expensive that way. I just buy them in 5 pound boxes and drive them in by hand. It's a pain, but nothing else will last.

Do some google searches on Preasure Treated wood and fasteners. You should also see something about it where you bought your lumber. Of course, I'm sure your framers know all this too.

Your home is looking great!!!

Eddie

 

[wroughtn_harv]

Eddie, the box stores have converted over to a more nail friendly pressure treated within the last year. The new stuff is iron friendly. At Home Depot the old stuff is almost all out of the system. A couple of months ago they had both in inventory. The new stuff is much lighter in color.

The biggest problem I've came across with the pressure treated has always been it's still soaking wet when sold. When I have to use pressure treated I always go for the lightest boards, the ones most likely to be dried out. I'm not good enough with lumber to look at a green or wet board and know where it'll warp when dry.

I've watched folks buying pressure treated putting aside lighter boards in favor of the heavier-wetter ones. I guess it's human nature to assume heavier is more value.

 

[Colin Giersberg]

Not to mention that it is harder on the back to lift all of the extra weight.
I just wish that the lumber yards would make it easier to get to the drier lumber. It always seems to be at the bottom of the stack.

Regards, Colin

 

[EddieWalker]

Hi Harvey,

I haven't bought any nails for awhile, so its good to know things are getting better. The last few decks I've built have been out of screws, and it's rare for me to need very many treated nails for my guns. When I did look, it was crazy how much more they cost. LOL

One thing I tell my clients when we're going to build with PT wood is to buy it at least a week, with one month being better, before we start the job. Lay it out and let it dry out. Stacking it helps with the twisting while it's drying, but the stores will take back twisted boards without any problems.

The real problem is in the amount of shrinkage you get. If I need 100 boards, I'll buy 120 with plans on returning the extra. 20% is a fair number to expect in returns with modern PT wood.

It's just another example of environmentalist making changes that cause more waste then it fixes. More wood is wasted and thrown away because of the new PT treatment then before in order to cut down of the very minimal amount of arsnic that was put into the ground when people burned PT wood.

Eddie

 

[RobJ]

Sounds like the woman side came out Harv...

Minor correction, I think you should say the Feminine side came out of Harv. These days being a woman and being Feminine don't always go together.

 

[_RaT_]

Minor correction, I think you should say the Feminine side came out of Harv. These days being a woman and being Feminine don't always go together.

Absolutely correct, my apologies...

 

[socallly]

Hi guy's,I thought I better update the thread alittle. I have been struggling to stay focused,my father past away five days after my last post 3/25/07 at the young age of 61 He was asleep and it was un expected.HE left behind awife of 45years and five children and 5grandchildren. My dad was taking care of his mother,and I have taken over her care so not much progress has happened. OK lets talk about the little progress I got the electric done all the speaker wire run,installed fireplaces,tar papered the house,,,,,,,,put 2 sets of french doors one man door

 

[EddieWalker]

Sorry to hear about your dad.

The house looks great. I was curious how you were going to fiish off the exterior, but after seeing the chicken wire, it's pretty obvious.

Eddie

 

[ktm250rider]

Most of the new PT lumber is ACQ (alkaline copper quaternary). Its the high copper content that reacts with the galvanized fasteners and hangers. There are some hangers that are "double" galvanized that are supposed to hold up longer. The best would be to use stainless steel, if you can afford it.
There are new types of treated lumber coming out that use different methods of preservatives. They have a limited availability, though.

 

[socallly]

Hello everybody,I have not updated this thread because I got so busy with all the finish work.To pass my final inspection I had to jump thru hoops but I finally passsed 12/23/07 my camera came up missing so I lost alot of progress pics but I have some newer pics to share.

The fireplaces came out realgood the wood burning unit is veneer with real stone hearth and the gas unit i real stone made by eastwest stone

The top picture shows ceadar tongue and groove that I put in the closets the clothing rods are not in the pic but I stained them rather then painting them.The bottom pic shows aluminum diamondplating I used it as asplash guard in the garage and the thing with holes in it is a custom suicide vent cover I drilled out

15big pines the run the front and the front fence is dynimite red crape myrtles

We got snow

 

[UpstateSC_Papi]

Beautiful home! Had not found this thread until you updated it today. Glad you did!

Michael

 

[EddieWalker]

The house really looks great. I didn't realize that you were putting in two fireplaces!!! They both look awesome. Is the corner one in the master bedroom?

Are they propane units? If so, could you tell me what brand they are and what you paid for them?

How about some kitchen pics?

Eddie

 

[socallly]

hey Eddie, the 2 sided unit is in the master bedroom and is propane it is considered a appliance.The one pictured with a fire is a wood only unit. Both are made by lennox and the gas unit was $1,800 and the wood unit was 2,150. If you look on page 11 of this thread it shows some more pics of the fireplaces