Brush hog incident.

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DKinWA

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Sorry this is long winded, but I thought it was worth taking the time to type up if someone might benefit from it.

I just did my first and probably last brush hog job of the season today. This evening I went out and mowed a small area near a couple of houses and got the scare of my life. The area I was mowing was mostly blackberry vines and small trees and I didn't notice anything on a walk through prior to mowing.

As luck would have it, I hit something while mowing and I thought my mower (72" woods) was going to come unglued at the seams. When I felt it hit, I immediately shut off the pto and the tractor to see if I damaged anything. The only thing I found, was a small chunk missing out of the end of the blade. After checking things out, I started looking around to see what I hit. Once I dug around a bit, I found a leaf spring from a car buried in the grass and figured I'd hit it. About that time, a couple of folks that heard the commotion came over to see what happened. While walking across the driveway, they found a piece of steel (1/2" plate about 5"x18") laying in the driveway.

We figured out the plate was what I hit and it landed in the driveway. When I hit it, it actually flew about thirty feet, hit the concrete driveway (leaving a pretty big chip in the concrete) and bounced up and hit the garage door (leaving three big gouges) and then landed on the driveway. The total distance was easily 75' from contact to resting place. I KNOW, that there was enough energy in the steel to easily kill someone if it had hit them.

Now here's what I learned today and would like to pass along to fellow tractor owners. 1. Brush hogging can be extremely dangerous! 2. Never brush hog closer than several hundred feet to a building or people on unfamiliar ground. 3. If you take money from someone for brush hogging, make sure you're licensed and insured. And last, but not least. I'm a licensed contractor with general liability insurance for $1,000,000, and I doubt I'll ever brush hog again for hire (unless it's a farm field). There's no way $50/hour is worth risking my liability insurance. If it weren't for someone upstairs watching out for me, this easily could've turned into an evening never to be forgotten.

I bought the brush hog for my business, now I'm really wishing I would've bought a flail mower. Since I tend to work in the urban/rural interface areas, it probably would've been a safer to go with the flail. Three hours later, I still get goose bumps as I type this up /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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WOW that is scary!! thank GOD no-one was hurt ,it is so hard to canvas an area with a fine tooth comb too find every potential hazard to your equipment or worse yet somebodies well being or even your own...We can all feel the pressure of the time is money thing,but at what price?? Thanks for sharing.
 
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DKinWA,

Glad that no one was in the way of that metal piece!

Can you tell us what kind of guards are on your brush hog? I have chain guards on mine, but I doubt chains or those stardard rubber ones would slow a piece of metal like that much...
 
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Henro,

Good point. My brush hog has the standard steel guard and doesn't have the optional steel chains. I'm sure the chains would've helped slow things down a bit, but I doubt it would've slowed things down enough to really matter. It's been about 12 hours since it happened, and I still get a knot in my stomache thinking about it.

Before I started mowing, the owner talked about me coming back later and mowing down several big blackberry patches. Right after we figured out what I hit, I told the owner I changed my mind about mowing the other blackberry patches. He said that was fine with him and he liked my idea about pulling them out with the excavator and hauling them away.

I guess it's true that no matter how bad the situation there's always a positive side. In my case, first and foremost, no one was hurt or worse. I also offered several times to have the garage door repaired at my expense, but the owner said the door is rotting in places and needs to be replaced anyway. He didn't think it worth spending the money on repairing since it needed to be replaced anyway. I figure when I go back to rock the rest of the driveway, part of the rock will be on me to make up for the damage. I can also positively say I won't be forgetting this anytime soon /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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WOW!! Thank God no one was hurt. I brush hog about 4-5 acres of my own land and won't even engage the PTO if the kids are ANYWHERE outside. That may be excessive but I could never forgive myself if something bad happened.

Your close call reminds me how important it is to be safe. Thanks for sharing the story. I really appreciate the reminder.

Peter
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I just did my first and probably last brush hog job of the season today )</font>

Crossing the street could cause a tragedy if you get hit by a car -- you can't go through life not doing things just because there is a small chance something back could happen.

My father's mowing business (5 JD tractors w/20' Rhino Flexwing mowers) down in Florida has caused several damaging events over the course of the past 10 years -- rocks through pool enclosures, car windows, house windows and embedding in the wall, etc. You can't let this one incident change your whole attitude towards mowing. Just be more careful when mowing overgrown areas that are new to you. Not to belittle the situation, but the odds of killing or hurting someone probably lies somewhere between getting struck by lightening and being killed in a car accident... and people are still driving around in cars.

Just my thoughts on this matter.
 
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Dave,

I know you feel bad about the incident, but it was his land and his junk you ran over. He should know what's on his land, and maybe he should apologize to you for tearing up your cutter blade?

Why don't you ask your tractor/implement dealer about returning your nearly new rotary cutter for a more expensive flail mower? He might be eager (or at least agreeable) to that deal.
 
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It's really surprising the amount of force a bush hog can throw stuff. We hit a large rock that was in the ground and it shot pieces of sharp rock over 150 feet.
A guy asked me to bush hog some old blackberry vines which was over run with other vines as well. I told him I would rather use my rake to clean them up. It's a good thing. There were rocks, stumps, pieces of metal and to top it off it wasn't that far from the house.
 
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Blade tip speed on a 6' cutter is about 170 MPH. Add the inertia of the stump jumper, and the blade weight and it's quite something. Chains may help or could have made it worse. Some odd shape piece of metal might get caught in the chains and get thrown back into the blades. It might have destroyed the cutter (which is better than injuring or killing someone) or it might have just broken the chains and sent out additional bits of schrapnel.

I've had rocks thrown by my head by a rotary push mower, I can only imagine what this must have been like.

At least no one was hurt.
 
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Gatorboy,

I know what you mean about the risk issue. I'm an excavation contractor and use my TC40 mostly for puttering around on small after work jobs. Usually the jobs don't involve more than $200-300 with an occasional one a little higher. The reason I said it will probably be my first and last brush hog job is the risk to benefit is too high for my business. Brush hogging around here tends to be near buildings and places where people are likely to be present at some point. If it was open fields away from people and buildings, the risk would be low enough it wouldn't bother me. It's much more profitable for me to take on another clearing or excavating job and doesn't involve near the risk. Around here, the going rate is around $5,000/acre to pull stumps with a mid size excavator and pile everything. Granted it's more work and is a little more involved than just puttering, but it's tough to beat ripping stumps out of the ground with a 320 Cat excavator.

As someone suggested, I am going to talk to my dealer and see about a possible trade for a flail mower. I know it will cost additional money, but I kinda like puttering with something small once in awhile.
 
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DKinWA,

I bought my brush hog for my business too, and I've learned to not mow anything that can't be walked through. I tear out blackberries with my FEL. I really don't like brushhogging much anyway, it seems like my customers tell me, "oh, no, there are no rocks in MY field", and it turns out to be more like a rock quarry than a field. I did install a chain guard and so far nothing has flown very far from the mower.
 
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I have to relate a story. We had a mobark 1200 tub grinder grinding up a big pile of brush. We heard a big bang and saw something fly out and out of site. A few seconds later we saw something land a good ways away. We shut down and went to see what it was. 1/2" steel plate 18" square! It flew 85 yards from the tub grinder! Can you imagine being on the recieving end of that? One of the 3/4"x8" bolts that hold the hammers in went in the other direction, over a 60' high building and landed in a parking lot. It was so hot it was blue. Couldn't touch it till we soaked it with water.
 
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DK .
While my tale isn't a scarey as yours or the others , I got a valuable lesson Sunday . I was hogging my property next to a road . I'd walked it for trash . Anyway while I was mowing a piece of rock flew forward hit a tree and the rebounded into my forhead ! Thankfully it was at low velocity when it hit !!!
I have chains on my BH that I thought would stop flying objects . Apparently they just slow them down ! From now on it's safety glasses at a minimum ,and great care to make sure there's no traffic on the road . John
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( DK .
While my tale isn't a scarey as yours or the others , I got a valuable lesson Sunday . I was hogging my property next to a road . I'd walked it for trash . Anyway while I was mowing a piece of rock flew forward hit a tree and the rebounded into my forhead ! Thankfully it was at low velocity when it hit !!!
I have chains on my BH that I thought would stop flying objects . Apparently they just slow them down ! From now on it's safety glasses at a minimum ,and great care to make sure there's no traffic on the road . John )</font>
Hey John, that's exactly why I wear a bump cap and safety glasses when I'm hogging or when I'm doing work in the woods. I had been bashed in the head by tree limbs I don't know how many times before I got wise to use the bump cap. My brother was making fun of me using all the safety equipment, but at least I'm still around so that he can! thanks for the comments. John
 
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The dozer man who cleared my lot, had a mentally challenged helper. I wondered about the expense, thinking maybe this was a family member.
No, this fellow's father had the same thing happen to him while operating the dozer, a stick puncturing his body. He died out there in the woods all alone.
The son has somebody he can trust to call for help, who wouldn't otherwise be employable in many jobs, and is more'n happy to have any kind of work.
 
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Hey John, that's exactly why I wear a bump cap and safety glasses when I'm hogging or when I'm doing work in the woods. I had been bashed in the head by tree limbs I don't know how many times before I got wise to use the bump cap.

Kioti John . Good advice ! I'm going to get a helmet . Another thing I've learned is to wear a fairly heavy long sleeved shirt and light gloves . We have Multi Flora Rose up this way (Jaggers Bushes ) . It seems as if they come alive when you get near them . While they aren't lethal , they can be sort of painful . John
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( We have Multi Flora Rose up this way (Jaggers Bushes ) . It seems as if they come alive when you get near them . While they aren't lethal , they can be sort of painful )</font> I keep hearing about those on here (TBN), but not sure of what they look like. We have blackberries, sometimes with thorns 1/4 to 1/2" long and they, too, seem to come alive when you get near them. When I recently went to my Mom's raw property up in Georgia, the place had been overrun with them. Even with leather inserted gloves, I came home with about 10 thorns in my hands. The bump cap looks like a hard hat, but is not as sturdy. I bought it at a discount salvage house for about $3. One of the best investments I've EVER made. Got to buy some more protective eyewear though as I dropped them the other day and the back tire hit them before I could stop. Slightly crushed, shall we say? John
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I keep hearing about those (multiflora rose) on here (TBN), but not sure of what they look like. )</font>

I don't have any closeup shots of it, but here is a shot of some before I cut it down with my mower. This stuff grows fast, and grabs onto any other bush, tree and grows up into it. I do not have much luck with Roundup on them -- it seems that each vine has it's own root center, so you have to really spray the heck out of it all over the bush, not just parts of it like most things you try and kill. Mowing them down has been my best defense.

Afterwards, you can still see another bush just past the posts that are still standing on the right.

Maybe I'll take a closeup shot this weekend, or someone else can post a better photo for ya.
 
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All this is making me kinda happy I haven't got a rotary cutter. My property is too rough for one, anyway, it had some tractor flipping holes and mounds that had to be leveled with the bucket before could even get through with the machine. Then there's the junk. I found two 15 foot steel ladders, a hunk of 8-inch Schedule 120 pipe (looks like a cannon barrel) Railroad rail, wads of bob-wahr. Rusted electric motors. Mower eating metal.

It wouldn't be so bad if the previous owner had put the stuff all in one place, but he scattered it and even buried some.

I've got a junk farm, and had a bumper crop last year.
 
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I've got a junk farm, and had a bumper crop last year.<font color="blue"> </font>

<font color="black"> </font> I have a pretty good "crop" myself. How do you plan to get rid of all the unwanted stuff?
 

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