Bridge Ideas for multiple creek crossings

   / Bridge Ideas for multiple creek crossings #21  
What is the weight and how does it get moved?

In my case I plan on two 8' panels to span 6'. Each panel will have 6 - 6X6 and 7 - 2X4 to make up about 4' wide. It will be eastern hemlock or southern yellow pine and weigh less than 1000 lbs - probably around 800 with green lumber less with dry. I will place it like this.

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gg
 
   / Bridge Ideas for multiple creek crossings #22  
I was on a farm that bridged irrigation ditches with concrete slabs about 8 feet square, 4-6 inches thick. No idea what was inside the slab. Ditches were 4-5 feet wide.

Bruce
Most likely, a lot of steel. Either rebar grid in 3 dimensions, or even I-beams. Concrete is impressively weak, in this configuration, but it does a good job at protecting the steel and providing a drivable surface.
 
   / Bridge Ideas for multiple creek crossings #23  
Thanks for all of the quick replies and good advice. rather than quote everyone I will do my best to answer the questions all at once.


The choice of materials was mostly based on what I have on hand right now, I have an endless supply of free 2-7/8 pipe, I can get oak boards for the decking done for just the cost of having them cut up as we loose oak trees every year.

4 of the 5 crossings are just 18" deep, 1 is about 3' deep. I would prefer a bridge to a low water rock crossing so I can cross at anytime.

The issue I have with culverts is we do a lot of controlled burns here so that would make me install galvanized culverts, also with all of these crossings being in timber areas pine straw, oak leaves and branches will clog the culverts like they do at all of the road crossings. after every hard rain I have to clean all of them out and with a bridge most of that will flow underneath.

at another property we have we have several bridges that are 4 telephone poles, two per side and then decked with shaker screen from a rock quarry and they have been holding up for 20+ years, however this is just for UTV traffic not truck or tractor traffic.

most of these crossings will look very similar to the youtube video posted by bmaverick except lots of trees all around.

I will try and get a few pictures this weekend of what I am looking at.

the stream is not very fast even during a hard rain, there is about 10' of elevation change over the course of 500 yds straight line distance but the creek winds the whole way so it moves slowly.
One of the issues with bridge construction is building abutments with footers that won't wash out. I wonder whether some of the new bridges being built on soil in youtube videos will still be there after a few good rains.
 
   / Bridge Ideas for multiple creek crossings #24  
In my case I plan on two 8' panels to span 6'. Each panel will have 6 - 6X6 and 7 - 2X4 to make up about 4' wide. It will be eastern hemlock or southern yellow pine and weigh less than 1000 lbs - probably around 800 with green lumber less with dry. I will place it like this.

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gg
In this picture, you've got that V plate under the grill guard to hold the log in place, but how do you plan to anchor a 4' wide panel?
 
   / Bridge Ideas for multiple creek crossings #25  
In this picture, you've got that V plate under the grill guard to hold the log in place, but how do you plan to anchor a 4' wide panel?
You mean on the abutment ??
 
   / Bridge Ideas for multiple creek crossings #26  
Sorry, no, I mean how will you anchor the 4' wide panel when you lift it with your FEL so it can't swing back into your radiator, etc?
 
   / Bridge Ideas for multiple creek crossings #27  
In this picture, you've got that V plate under the grill guard to hold the log in place, but how do you plan to anchor a 4' wide panel?

Id you mean anchor the panel to the tractor ? Maybe the V will work. If not I'll take it off and there are 2 shackle lugs right there that I can use. I'm sure I can make something work.

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gg
 
   / Bridge Ideas for multiple creek crossings #28  
Side to side movement of the panel during transport could rip a tire sidewall.
 
   / Bridge Ideas for multiple creek crossings #29  
Yes sir it could.

gg
 
   / Bridge Ideas for multiple creek crossings #30  
Beam stiffness changes by the cube of the change. So a beam twice as tall is 8 times stiffer.
Eric
A factor two, squared (2x2) was four, last time i calculated a bridge 😏👌

Switch to satellite view to see the bridge

I calculated this home made bridge for my mate, spanning 12 meters between the abutments.

The waterway council had a say in it, and because i am not a civil engineer i calculated a bit rich for the building permit.

Found the minimum average foundation to soil contact pressure for our sool type, didnt know about the rules for pier washout so we put the piers at the same level as the canal bottom, just to make washout precautions unnecessary.

We ordered some prefab inverted T shape retaining walls, i converted the manufacturers rated side load to a bending moment, converted that to a maximum vertical load. It surpassed actual loads by a factor of 7 to 10, both in surface load as well as bend moment where the T joins.

For deck i calculated 4 beams IPE 500 were enough to carry 60 ton with a safety margin of two. The seller only wanted to sell all 9 at once so we ended up welding flat strips between all 9 of them, to create a 4 meter wide bridge with a fail point of 300 ton.

Dressed up with links to data used, both generic foundation load as well as retaining wall element manufacturers specs, they just stamped it for approval and gave us the green light 👌

The water council payed him a temporary log bridge beside the old bridge, which took a contractor longer to build than it took us to build the permanent bridge in the location of the old bridge. I bet ours was a fraction of the cost too.
I assume at the waterway councils office, a civil engineer had a big grin on his face while shaking his head when he stamped the approval sign on the plans 🤣🤣

The old bridge was built in the 60s when gramps and uncle bought the land across the canal and wasnt used with the slurry tank for the last two years because 50 years took its toll on the tiny I beams, but we expect this bridge has so much reserve that it will take 150 years of decay before you must stop using it with 60 ton combinations.

Cost: 6000 euro for the used beams, 500 euro a piece for the retaining wall elements used as abutments, maybe 500 euro for the flat strips, and a bunch of welding wire.

Another mate worked as a crane operator and hoisted the stuff in place on a saturday, and the local contractor came with a 15 ton digger to dig the abutments.

We chose to dig in the wet, so the hole wouldnt collapse from water seeping in (theres no chance to pump the dug pit dry with infiltration pipes, so close to the canal, without damming the entire canal)

Had it been done by a civil contractor, it would have cost 120.000 euro and had a quarter of the technical reserve.
 
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