Branson warranty troubles

/ Branson warranty troubles #41  
IF you really want to test that grapple, get it off that little tractor, put it on a MFWD hundred horse "farm" tractor and move boulders and big logs with it, dig some holes and put the power to it!

That would be a much better/safer way to test it and be much more impressive...

SR

I'd like to see it on a larger tractor.

Also, if ETA wants a video of a matched grapple on a Branson 3520, let me know. I'd be more than happy to receive a complimentary unit and provide honest feed back.
 
/ Branson warranty troubles #42  
Is this issue unresolved?

I experienced a similar but out of warranty front axle break this past fall. The wheel assembly came clean off with no warning. While I am not seeking warranty I feel this type of failure represents a safety issue which should be the subject of a competent investigation and corrective action if found necessary. I would appreciate hearing from anybody who has experienced such a failure. Please contact me by email.

I believe this investigation should look into the manufacturing process of the axle, is it made of two pieces welded together? or, is it a single piece construction? This investigation should only be led by Kukje Machinery who are the designers and manufacturers of the product. My tractor, as indeed are many tractors of this type, is quite often used on a public highway and on roadways, failure at such a time could lead to catastrophic results. In my case the wheel came off while turning over a compost pile. Hardly an excessive load.

For those that are interested, I have attached some pictures of the tractor and wheel axle as failed.

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/ Branson warranty troubles #43  
I'd like to see it on a larger tractor.

Also, if ETA wants a video of a matched grapple on a Branson 3520, let me know. I'd be more than happy to receive a complimentary unit and provide honest feed back.

A Wicked Grapple on a larger tractor? :thumbsup:

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/ Branson warranty troubles #45  
I really appreciate reading this topic.

As a newer tractor owner, it's very informative to read the discussion about the physics of tractors. Because I've been using it a great deal, the backhoe has not come off the tractor in a long time so I'm glad to read confirmation that this has been beneficial to my front axles.

Adding greatly to the discussion is Dave from Dave's Tractors (where I bought mine) and Ted and Travis from Everything Attachments. lt's great to have so much experience-based knowledge in the forum.

I anticipate buying attachments from EA as their videos clearly show how conscientious they are in their design and construction... I just hope they extend their free shipping zone to include the entire lower 48, including California.

:)
 
/ Branson warranty troubles #46  
Is this issue unresolved?

I experienced a similar but out of warranty front axle break this past fall. The wheel assembly came clean off with no warning. While I am not seeking warranty I feel this type of failure represents a safety issue which should be the subject of a competent investigation and corrective action if found necessary. I would appreciate hearing from anybody who has experienced such a failure. Please contact me by email.

I believe this investigation should look into the manufacturing process of the axle, is it made of two pieces welded together? or, is it a single piece construction? This investigation should only be led by Kukje Machinery who are the designers and manufacturers of the product. My tractor, as indeed are many tractors of this type, is quite often used on a public highway and on roadways, failure at such a time could lead to catastrophic results. In my case the wheel came off while turning over a compost pile. Hardly an excessive load.

For those that are interested, I have attached some pictures of the tractor and wheel axle as failed.

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Here is my Branson 47 HP with broken left axle

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I too was driving my bucket in to the pile when I heard a snap. Lost front wheel rotation Only back tires spun. Dumped the bucket and drove in reverse Wheel fell off.
In Springfield NS BumpandNan on South Mountain close by you.
My machine was bought on KIJIJI and past warranty
 
/ Branson warranty troubles
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#47  
Sorry to hear about yours too Rasorbackq. Branson and Kukje have a lot of answering to do. With court cases building up against Branson & Kukje, maybe we will finally see some care for their customers that they seem too happy to promote on their websites but don't actually provide.
 
/ Branson warranty troubles #48  
Ive got an 05 4720, which was suppose to be the troublesome front shaft era. I try not to load the front axle too much like Dave has previously mentioned, but I have*done it multiple times and never had an issue. What a lot of people don't understand is "shock load". Under heavy stress, if you shock load that front axle, things can break quickly. Little odd that this OP never detailed out how he was using the tractor, but I'd bet a paycheck it was not whats considered "normal" usage. If you are*ripping and then trying to excavate with the bucket, I can see someone loading the front in a bad way.
 
/ Branson warranty troubles #49  
Here is my Branson 47 HP with broken left axle

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I too was driving my bucket in to the pile when I heard a snap. Lost front wheel rotation Only back tires spun. Dumped the bucket and drove in reverse Wheel fell off.
In Springfield NS BumpandNan on South Mountain close by you.
My machine was bought on KIJIJI and past warranty

I use to work after hours and weekends for and excavation company and mostly operated high lifts or track loaders what ever you want to call them. Some times used track skid steers too. Their both heavy and made to move heavy material with the loaders. Skid steers have big counter weights in the back and high lifts are just plain heavy. The loaders are also close to the front of the machines. Tractors loaders are a little further forward and rear ends are lots lighter. Picking up heavy loads or digging puts lots of stress on these front ends and imo your looking to have break downs if that type of work is continued. Look at the weight of the tractor and how big the loader bucket is ver's a skid steer weight and the loaders bucket capacity is. Tractor or cut's are just not built to stand continued work beyond what it was built for. Just my 2 cents.
 
/ Branson warranty troubles #50  
I use to work after hours and weekends for and excavation company and mostly operated high lifts or track loaders what ever you want to call them. Some times used track skid steers too. Their both heavy and made to move heavy material with the loaders. Skid steers have big counter weights in the back and high lifts are just plain heavy. The loaders are also close to the front of the machines. Tractors loaders are a little further forward and rear ends are lots lighter. Picking up heavy loads or digging puts lots of stress on these front ends and imo your looking to have break downs if that type of work is continued. Look at the weight of the tractor and how big the loader bucket is ver's a skid steer weight and the loaders bucket capacity is. Tractor or cut's are just not built to stand continued work beyond what it was built for. Just my 2 cents.

To add to this, if you look at a Bobcat or track loader, you will find that when the front loader is all the way down (like when digging) the boom is resting against pads on the body/chassis of the Bobcat. So the pushing forces are not all absorbed by the arms and the pins, it gets spread out to the frame structure.
 
/ Branson warranty troubles #51  
CliffNeudorf,

Just wondering, did you buy your tractor new or used? If used, how old was it and did it have any factory warranty remaining? Just wondering if it had any history before you got it. Thanks.
 
/ Branson warranty troubles #53  
I know you are not wanting to muddy the topic with details of usage, but I do appreciate that you are willing to respond. It is integral to the discussion of "major fault" and warranty issues.

We sell on average just short of one Branson tractor per every working day, and the 3520H is the most popular model. I do not recall the last front axle issue. I am not saying the front axles are bomb proof, but they are good. I bet if we checked our shop records, we would find a warranty claim here and there over the years that relate to the front axle on some model of Branson, that is surely possible. But it is far from common.

It is essentially the same axle they use all the way up to the 5220R, which is 55HP. The 5220 is wider, but most parts are the same other than that. At the 35HP level, especially with an HST, you should not be breaking axles unless you are using the tractor outside of the design limitations of a compact tractor.

If you look at a construction grade loader tractor, like a JD210/310, Cat 426 etc., you will see they are designed to dig with the front bucket. The loader is made for it, and the front axle is made for it. A compact tractor is made to move and load material. Of course it needs to be able to dig into the pile a little and it should not be fragile, but it is not designed for digging actually. The issue is not so much weight on the front axle, it is the fact that the front end is designed to assist the rear axle, it is a MFWA tractor - mechanical front wheel assist. The cross sectional area of the rear axle shafts is almost 4 times larger than the front axles. When digging, the rear axle must do the pushing, or at least the lion's share of the pushing with the front axle assisting. Heavy rear ballast in the tires and a heavy box scraper or something hanging off the back will help the rear tires do the pushing. If you are digging and the back end is light and just barely contributing to the tractive effort, you are eventually going to bust a front axle shaft, and that applies to all brands of compact tractors. Our shop repairs all brands, and we have replaced axles shafts or front gears in about every brand over the years. Typically, although we try to say it nicely, it is abuse. Not intended abuse generally, more like a lack of knowledge abuse.

Might it be that you need a different type of tractor for your usage? Maybe a skid-steer? They can take a beating. Or maybe a full size TLB or skip loader? When digging heavy, if you ballast really heavy in the rear, you can probably cure your front axle issues, but then you find the next failure point. If you look at a typical Bobcat skid-steer, you will see that when the bucket is all the way down in the digging position, the loader arms rest against stops built into the main chassis frame. So when digging, the stresses are spread out and not all placed on the loader arms and not all on the pins. I have a Takeuchi TL130 track loader and it seems you just can't hurt it no matter how hard I dig, push, pull or lift. But the loader arms rest against the main frame when digging. If you really "heavy-up" the back of your Branson, then watch your loader arms, pins, mounts, etc. Put a wrench on them often, loose bolts are the start of all kinds of headaches if not kept in check.

We sincerely wish you well. It is nice that even though you must be very frustrated, that you are civil about the discussion.

Barring abuse, the axles are either defective or not sufficiently designed for the purpose. I'm not sure if I agree with this "....The issue is not so much weight on the front axle, it is the fact that the front end is designed to assist the rear axle, it is a MFWA tractor - mechanical front wheel assist. ..." The front end is either designed correctly or not. The rubber on the tire or the dirt below should be the material that is expendable. What happens if the rear wheels are on ice and the front wheels are on pavement? Should one expect to damage the front end if the operator uses the front axle for traction?
 
/ Branson warranty troubles #54  
Barring abuse, the axles are either defective or not sufficiently designed for the purpose. I'm not sure if I agree with this "....The issue is not so much weight on the front axle, it is the fact that the front end is designed to assist the rear axle, it is a MFWA tractor - mechanical front wheel assist. ..." The front end is either designed correctly or not. The rubber on the tire or the dirt below should be the material that is expendable. What happens if the rear wheels are on ice and the front wheels are on pavement? Should one expect to damage the front end if the operator uses the front axle for traction?

I've written pretty exhaustively on this. If used as a normal loader, I agree that you should get tire spin before axle breakage. But you can force the tractor in some situations to have tremendous traction for the front tires, at the same time having almost no traction to the rear tires (as they are in the air or nearly so). If you then proceed to push and the tires can't spin and the item you are pushing does not move and the clutch does not slip and the motor does not stall....then what? Snap. It is under difficult circumstances that these operator induced breakages occur. Not on ice. MFWA is to be used for traction, but not as the sole motivating force when the front axle is under extreme load. Using it in ice or in mud or in loose soil or whatever is perfectly fine. That is what it is made for.
 
/ Branson warranty troubles #55  
This is an older thread, and I'm curious as to the conclusion, if there is any.

Does anyone know how this reached an end ?

Just curious.
 
/ Branson warranty troubles #57  
I was nt digging with my when it broke I was scooping dirt from a pile . The second time the other side of the tractor I was carrying logs when it broke off.
 
/ Branson warranty troubles #58  
From reading between the lines a little (the OP was very "cagey" in their details), the guy was using his front end loader to dig with, overloaded his front axle, and snapped an axle shaft 3 times in a row. Sounds like Branson DID cover the repairs under warranty, but told them "enough" on the third time. He also may not have had any, or enough counter balance weight on his 3 pt hitch. Operating this way, digging, overloading FEL, while also NOT having a counter balance, will severely over stress the front axle on ANY scut or cut tractor.

If you look a the pic later in the thread from another user that did the same thing, he has NO weight on his 3pt hitch while digging into a dirt pile. That is suicide.

These are not bulldozers, nor are they TLB's. Nobody's brand scut or cut will survive that kind of abuse for long.

The fact that Branson covered the guy's axle snapping the FIRST time, says a lot. Let alone covering it 3 TIMES IN A ROW.

Thanks, Slow....I read every post on the thread and was wondering what the conclusion was. Like reading a book and the final pages were missing.
 
/ Branson warranty troubles #59  
I was nt digging with my when it broke I was scooping dirt from a pile . The second time the other side of the tractor I was carrying logs when it broke off.

And as I said, you had no counter balance on your tractor.
 

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