Bought a 4310

[beenthere]

Sounds like you are talking about the weight bar that the latch plate secures to.. not the extension weight bracket LVA19212

The frame on both 4300 and 4310 are the same, and AM121848, it appears.

So puzzled what you might be missing. Hope you show us tomorrow.

 

[super55]

No I didn't take any. Hoping the front plate on the 4300 the loader came off of will bolt on my 4310 and solve the problem.

Heading to the salvage yard I bought the loader from in the morning.

It will bolt right up. The 4300 and 4310 have the same bolt hole alignment. I swap FEL between my 4310 and 4400 all the time without problems. They are essentially the same tractor. Only difference is the 10 series went to the E-hydro and E-power reverser which basically states that there are now electronic solenoids controlling the shifting and such of the transmissions instead of mechanical means to some degree.

 

[larry08]

Only increasing the bore size a 1/4" over original. 430 loader comes with 2" bore cylinders and uses pretty much the same frame. I don't think it's an issue.

Just connected the loader this afternoon and it took less than a gallon to top the tractor back up.

Unfortunately the latch plate on this 420 loader won't connect to the front weight bracket on my 4310. Back to the junkyard in the morning.

A little goes a long way when boring cylinders. If you do the calculations it's about 7850 lb force produced from the 2" cylinder at 2500 psi, versus 9935 lbs on 2 1/4". Should be fine if your loader has shear bolts though.

 

[TractorGuy]

So the weight bracket on the 4300 the loader came off of is the exact same as the one on my 4310. For some reason I cannot get it to roll onto the mounts so I can latch the front latch.

 

[beenthere]

Yes, both are the same.. the frame as well as the weight bracket that bolts to the frame.. but the FEL latches onto the frame.

Picture pls. then we can prolly answer your dilemma.
We may be in a terminology lock-up.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I have to sometimes "tap" on my front plate to convince it to go flat up against the tractor's bumper frame. It is attached to pivot points that get dry and rusty.

 

[Olsen]

A little goes a long way when boring cylinders. If you do the calculations it's about 7850 lb force produced from the 2" cylinder at 2500 psi, versus 9935 lbs on 2 1/4". Should be fine if your loader has shear bolts though.

Shear bolts?
Don't sound right. Please explain.

 

[super55]

Raising and lowering should the loader should be all you need to get the catch plate to mount to the front bumper. Only time I ever had an issue was when I tried installing it on uneven terrain. At that time the loader kept wanting to slide on the rear mount. Also make sure the release lever on the loader itself isn't already in the locked position.

 

[TractorGuy]

A little goes a long way when boring cylinders. If you do the calculations it's about 7850 lb force produced from the 2" cylinder at 2500 psi, versus 9935 lbs on 2 1/4". Should be fine if your loader has shear bolts though.

Shear bolts?
Don't sound right. Please explain.

Let's please get off the increased cylinder bore discussion. I will do a thread on the upgrade later. No point in debating a simple change like this. The 420 loader came with 1-3/4" bore cylinders and the 430 loaders already had 2" bore cylinders. I simply increased the 420 loader to 2" bore cylinders. IT'S NO BIG DEAL!

 

[larry08]

Shear bolts?
Don't sound right. Please explain.

Woops, I just took a look at my 460 loader, turns out they aren't shear bolts after all. I was thinking the small bolts that hold the pins in the bushings were shear bolts.

 

[TractorGuy]

I had the rear mounts on the wrong sides!



Sometimes I come up with solutions to a problem that impress even me. (Don't ever say this to yourself or your spouse) It is sure to trigger an event so stupid it will make you wonder how you get dressed in the morning.

The loader is mounted and functional. Will do a thread on the generic cylinders.

 

[beenthere]

That is the reason I wanted you to post some pics. Had the sneaky feeling that was what was happening, as I recall having to mount those rear mounts when new when doing some set-up work, and getting them on the right and left side correctly was not a simple, straight-forward, easy-to-figure task. The differences are subtle, and glad you figured out the problem..

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Glad the fix was cheap.

 

[TractorGuy]

I'm interested to see what you have done for your 3rd function.

I ordered my grapple from MTL last night. I have everything ready for the 3rd function but I didn't bother putting it on yet. I have finished the loader handle part and the rest is sitting on the work bench. I will do a thread on this when I get the grapple in and connected.

 

[TractorGuy]

Finally got my whole package together and I'm a little less enthused. I did a first impressions review on another thread.

It looks good though.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Finally got my whole package together and I'm a little less enthused. I did a first impressions review on another thread.

It looks good though.

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It does look beefy.

It looks a bit heavy for it. Especially when you consider the distance that it sticks farther out. Mass x distance.

Have you checked your hydraulic pressure?

 

[TractorGuy]

It does look beefy.

It looks a bit heavy for it. Especially when you consider the distance that it sticks farther out. Mass x distance.

Have you checked your hydraulic pressure?

No I haven't.

This tractor has another feature I haven't tried yet. Next time I use it I plan to turn off motion control and turn on load control.

I need to drag this mucky mess out with my backhoe before I try to sift it out again. That should make a difference.

One of these days I will test the hydraulic pressure.

 

[TractorGuy]

Got a chance to try it out again today. Went a little better. Planning to add some weight to my disc harrows for ballast.

Using load control and turning off motion control makes a difference.

 

[XSKIER]

You don't turn off motion control. Its either fast or slow pedal response. Like long or short roll distance when releasing the pedal. Load match is doing your stall prevention. Glad it can handle the weight of the brush.

 

[TractorGuy]

You don't turn off motion control. Its either fast or slow pedal response. Like long or short roll distance when releasing the pedal. Load match is doing your stall prevention. Glad it can handle the weight of the brush.

I stand corrected. :confused3:

I set the motion match switch for quicker acceleration/deceleration response levels, and to reduce machine starting/stopping distances.

The stuff I need to move is not just brush hence my initial difficulties. It is debris packed in mud. The load in the pic was some of the looser stuff I shook some of the mud out of. Looks like I will end up raking and moving some of this stuff several times to get the dirt out.

Today's mission is to drag a bunch of steel out of the shed and decide what to so for increasing the ballast. I am not going to consider loading the tires right now if ever since they will need replacing and I'm not a fan of loaded tires anyway.