Bought a 4310

[beenthere]

Not good.. but never good to be under a bucket.. agree, not wasted money.

 

[TractorGuy]

These hoses all have external cracks and at least one is leaking. In this case I think all new hoses is warranted.

Although the guy that pulled the loader insisted the hoses were all good because he could bend them.

 

[sparky991]

I really like my 4310. Bought it new in 2004. But have been kicking myself since then for not getting the loader at that time. Bought a 300R FEL for it a week ago. Paid $5009 including tax, in Orleans, Indiana. I could not find a used one to fit this tractor anywhere within reasonable distance. They wanted another $185 to install it, so I decided to do it myself. I don't have a large shop, it took my son and me a good couple of hours to get it on, and had to use an electric winch in the attic. If you do this, you should understand fully how the thing works normally (on-off) so you know how it needs to go on. (Also edit: the hyd quick connectors on the 4310 will NOT take the tips from the 300R loader, at least the ones that came with the one they sent me. The quick connects are too small - 3/8 and need to be 1/2. So if you order this, tell the dealer you need 3/8 hoses, or you will need to replace the quick connects on the tractor (which is what i did). Since the guy told me it would fit, he compensated me with a filter pack, which was nice).

Also, I'll do more searching here, but I can't get the front lower axle drain plugs out. They are pretty much rounded inside at this point. One is recessed even, and so I can't get anything on it. I'll try to seat an allan tip in it and try to draw it out. The other one is exposed enough, I think, to get a vice grip on. But - if I can't get them out, instead of trying to drill them out or other means, can't I just crack the case, let the oil out, bolt it back up? I might need a new gasket, though?

 

[beenthere]

sparky
Don't think I'd mess with draining the front axle.. unless you have good reason to believe that the fluid is compromised some how.

How many hours on the front axle ?

Sounds like the failed attempts to remove them just damaged them too much.

 

[sparky991]

Tractor has 540 hours, and I hate to admit - I've never been able to get those plugs out. In the past I have drained the axle thru the center plug, added new, and called it good. I figured I ought to try to get that remaining fluid out, but maybe no? I even thought about getting one of those electric drill fluid pumps and snaking a tube down there, see if that would work. But, no, there isn't any indication of any problems at all in the front axle. No leaks.

 

[TractorGuy]

I really like my 4310. Bought it new in 2004. But have been kicking myself since then for not getting the loader at that time. Bought a 300R FEL for it a week ago. Paid $5009 including tax, in Orleans, Indiana. I could not find a used one to fit this tractor anywhere within reasonable distance. They wanted another $185 to install it, so I decided to do it myself. I don't have a large shop, it took my son and me a good couple of hours to get it on, and had to use an electric winch in the attic. If you do this, you should understand fully how the thing works normally (on-off) so you know how it needs to go on. (Also edit: the hyd quick connectors on the 4310 will NOT take the tips from the 300R loader, at least the ones that came with the one they sent me. The quick connects are too small - 3/8 and need to be 1/2. So if you order this, tell the dealer you need 3/8 hoses, or you will need to replace the quick connects on the tractor (which is what i did). Since the guy told me it would fit, he compensated me with a filter pack, which was nice).

Also, I'll do more searching here, but I can't get the front lower axle drain plugs out. They are pretty much rounded inside at this point. One is recessed even, and so I can't get anything on it. I'll try to seat an allan tip in it and try to draw it out. The other one is exposed enough, I think, to get a vice grip on. But - if I can't get them out, instead of trying to drill them out or other means, can't I just crack the case, let the oil out, bolt it back up? I might need a new gasket, though?

The 300R is rated at 999 lbs lift. Probably about the same as a stock 420. My dealer quoted $4900 plus tax for the 320R loader which is probably similar to the older 430 at 1122 lbs lift.

My revamped 420 should have the higher lift capacity with the larger cylinders and will also go much higher. I am planning to set my tires to the wide position and be very careful. I doubt seriously I will ever raise the loader to max lift. My main use for this setup is going to be for grapple use. As soon as I get the loader done I am going to order a grapple. I am going to use a solenoid selector valve for the third function. The 4310 has an unused third spool valve on it but I'm thinking I may want to use that later for a hydraulic top link. I will do a separate thread on my loader and third function when it's all done. I made the knob and wired the switch in the other day so that is ready to go.

 

[RoyJackson]

Very nice!

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I'm interested to see what you have done for your 3rd function.

 

[super55]

I have been real pleased with my 4310 e-pwr reverser. I've had it 4 years now and have had no serious issues with other then a neutral safety switch and the silly seat safety switch in cold weather. Thing has had zero issues handling 4x5 round bales with the 420 loader. I liked it so much that this fall I went and bought a 4400 hydro with cab for snow blowing.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I have been real pleased with my 4310 e-pwr reverser. I've had it 4 years now and have had no serious issues with other then a neutral safety switch and the silly seat safety switch in cold weather. Thing has had zero issues handling 4x5 round bales with the 420 loader. I liked it so much that this fall I went and bought a 4400 hydro with cab for snow blowing.

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That will probably come in handy for a bit.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

The 300R is rated at 999 lbs lift. Probably about the same as a stock 420. My dealer quoted $4900 plus tax for the 320R loader which is probably similar to the older 430 at 1122 lbs lift.

My revamped 420 should have the higher lift capacity with the larger cylinders and will also go much higher. I am planning to set my tires to the wide position and be very careful. I doubt seriously I will ever raise the loader to max lift. My main use for this setup is going to be for grapple use. As soon as I get the loader done I am going to order a grapple. I am going to use a solenoid selector valve for the third function. The 4310 has an unused third spool valve on it but I'm thinking I may want to use that later for a hydraulic top link. I will do a separate thread on my loader and third function when it's all done. I made the knob and wired the switch in the other day so that is ready to go.

What's the chance you could document the connections on your new cylinders? What type of hydraulic hose ends are needed, in case any of the rest of us decide to follow your path? Could you tell us what part numbers you ordered from the place?

 

[super55]

That will probably come in handy for a bit.

I been very pleased with it so far. I originally was looking at a curtis hard cab for the one I had and then pricing out the cost of one and the fact that it would be extremely difficult to run the backhoe off it with a cab I opted for a similar model that I could swap attachments out back and forth. So I found this 4400 on tractor house with cab, loader, mower and plow at a price I could swing and jumped on it. It's got just over 3k hours on it but the hydro is strong, no blow-by or leaks and starts in 10 deg. weather with just 5 seconds using the pre-heater.

 

[TractorGuy]

What's the chance you could document the connections on your new cylinders? What type of hydraulic hose ends are needed, in case any of the rest of us decide to follow your path? Could you tell us what part numbers you ordered from the place?

When I'm done I will supply a detailed list of components with descriptions. I may not have part numbers for everything. I probably should have looked closer at possible pin end cylinders since that is what it came with but I'm too far in to stop now. Travel wise it looks like the 2x18 cross type cylinders are going to work fine. The cylinders actually have the same #6 ORB type ports that the originals had but will be positioned on the top for the bucket and bottom for the lift rather than on the sides. May want to save further discussion on the loader for it's own thread. Planning to order all the adapters and hoses from a local shop tomorrow.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

When I'm done I will supply a detailed list of components with descriptions. I may not have part numbers for everything. I probably should have looked closer at possible pin end cylinders since that is what it came with but I'm too far in to stop now. Travel wise it looks like the 2x18 cross type cylinders are going to work fine. The cylinders actually have the same #6 ORB type ports that the originals had but will be positioned on the top for the bucket and bottom for the lift rather than on the sides. May want to save further discussion on the loader for it's own thread. Planning to order all the adapters and hoses from a local shop tomorrow.

Good deal. Thanks.

 

[sparky991]

4310 transmission oil capacity (for t he hydro) is listed as 6.8 gallons. I wonder what the capacity is, officially, of the 300R loader, or of the tractor with the loader (I can then do the math I changed the oil out yesterday, and I think I now have 7.5 gallons in it, and ran out of oil before the level in the sight glass reach the mid-point. Once I get more oil to add, I'll do the math, but I can't find any "official" listing of the 300R capacity.

 

[sparky991]

I added about 2 more quarts only, and the fluid is in the center of the sight glass. So, that was just over 8 gallons for the tractor and the 300R loader.

 

[radios1]

I picked up a 420 loader and all the brackets for it for $1200. The loader was missing the bucket cylinders. I am going to try and retrofit some 2" cylinders on the lift and bucket to increase the strength and height. Planning to do another thread on that.

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This tractor has worn out front tires and the RR is cracked in the outer sidewall and between the treads. Cracks on the sidewall are symmetrical and go from the rim towards the tread all the way around about every 8 to 10 inches.

remember, if you increase the cylinder size, you may exceed the strength of the loader, and it may fail catastrophically!.. larger cylinders will exert more force, at the expense of extend/contraction speed..

 

[TractorGuy]

remember, if you increase the cylinder size, you may exceed the strength of the loader, and it may fail catastrophically!.. larger cylinders will exert more force, at the expense of extend/contraction speed..

Only increasing the bore size a 1/4" over original. 430 loader comes with 2" bore cylinders and uses pretty much the same frame. I don't think it's an issue.

Just connected the loader this afternoon and it took less than a gallon to top the tractor back up.

Unfortunately the latch plate on this 420 loader won't connect to the front weight bracket on my 4310. Back to the junkyard in the morning.

 

[beenthere]

Do you have a pic of the mismatch on the latch plate?

 

[TractorGuy]

Do you have a pic of the mismatch on the latch plate?

No I didn't take any. Hoping the front plate on the 4300 the loader came off of will bolt on my 4310 and solve the problem.

Heading to the salvage yard I bought the loader from in the morning.