Bolt on blade for buckets

   / Bolt on blade for buckets #21  
First the video is of a lot heavier built bucket and when it is open and back draging the rear of the bucket is engaging the ground first and the part of the bottom is only grading loose dirt. second that is a track machine, made for grading. a big difference than a wheel machine. ... Jim
 
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Yes, @npalen resting the vertical back blade on the soil and tilting the partially opened clamshell of the bucket while back dragging is what I use to maximize the stability of the cutting depth. I think that it helps keep some (most?) of the forces in the bucket geometry.

And, yes thanks Jim, point well taken, it isn't an apples to apples comparison on many levels; empty, the T650 weighs twice as much as my PT, it has a rigid frame, has fifty percent more horsepower, and yes, is tracked, which is huge. Plus, the Construction Attachments bucket has a 1" thick cutting edge, and weighs 1300+lbs, which are all features distinctly better for that particular job, which is nearly flat and level to begin with.

I once watched another amateur (I have zero hours in a skid steer) get a bobcat to within a whisker of rolling on the top of a 400' 20-30 degree slope; I was impressed how fast it went from "that doesn't look good" to "kill the engine, and it is time to tow". Fortunately, nobody was hurt beyond their pride. I admit that the hydraulic drive on the PTs does make them less prone to digging in. Could an expert have done better? Sure, I haven't any doubt, though I doubt an expert would have done what the amateur was attempting in the first place. I think that learning to use a piece of equipment is probably best on flat ground.

On the other hand, I did see some techniques in that video that I would like to try, and the "ultra heavy duty" build on the Construction Attachments bucket is giving me ideas of what might be altered on mine.

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Bolt on blade for buckets #23  
Yes, @npalen resting the vertical back blade on the soil and tilting the partially opened clamshell of the bucket while back dragging is what I use to maximize the stability of the cutting depth. I think that it helps keep some (most?) of the forces in the bucket geometry.

And, yes thanks Jim, point well taken, it isn't an apples to apples comparison on many levels; empty, the T650 weighs twice as much as my PT, it has a rigid frame, has fifty percent more horsepower, and yes, is tracked, which is huge. Plus, the Construction Attachments bucket has a 1" thick cutting edge, and weighs 1300+lbs, which are all features distinctly better for that particular job, which is nearly flat and level to begin with.

I once watched another amateur (I have zero hours in a skid steer) get a bobcat to within a whisker of rolling on the top of a 400' 20-30 degree slope; I was impressed how fast it went from "that doesn't look good" to "kill the engine, and it is time to tow". Fortunately, nobody was hurt beyond their pride. I admit that the hydraulic drive on the PTs does make them less prone to digging in. Could an expert have done better? Sure, I haven't any doubt, though I doubt an expert would have done what the amateur was attempting in the first place. I think that learning to use a piece of equipment is probably best on flat ground.

On the other hand, I did see some techniques in that video that I would like to try, and the "ultra heavy duty" build on the Construction Attachments bucket is giving me ideas of what might be altered on mine.

All the best,

Peter
If you put larger wheel motors on your PT it would dig just fine. But then you'd have slower tram speed.

They are compromised as to speed VS power, since there's no range selector. So they pick a happy medium for the tasks it's supposed to perform.

I'd like a bit more power for pushing on my 2001 PT425, but I'd guess I'd just break more stuff.
 
   / Bolt on blade for buckets #24  
Went into local township road yard and they gave me a chipped snow plough blade that was done for them. I welded it ontp the front edge and works for many years now. It was 1" thick by 5" wide and full 6' long
 

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   / Bolt on blade for buckets #25  
Went into local township road yard and they gave me a chipped snow plough blade that was done for them. I welded it ontp the front edge and works for many years now. It was 1" thick by 5" wide and full 6' long
So the 1" blade took the "smile" out of your bucket?
 
   / Bolt on blade for buckets #26  
I know a number of you have added teeth to your buckets. I would like to build on that experience.

After bending my 4N1 bucket floor back dragging for the umpteenth time, and straightening it, again, I am wondering if anyone has added a bolt on blade to the back of the 4N1 bucket, or even just a bolt on blade to the front. I want to strengthen the bucket and bucket floor. Anyone? Brand? Width? Things to watch out for?

It looks like there are a couple of Bobcat and clone skid steer blades that would fit mine. E.g.
Skid Steer Bucket Bolt On Cutting Edge
(No particular order, though quite a few folks resell the Paumco blades)

With my hard clay soil, back dragging with the bucket partially open so the back of the bucket floor is cutting into the soil really well for me, but bends the rear cutting blade and the floor whenever I hit a hard patch. Going forward tends to stall the tractor abruptly, as the blade digs in on the hard patches, whereas back dragging tends to rip the offending patch up and out of the way. As an alternative, I have thought about bolting teeth or a tooth bar to the vertical blade.

All the best,

Peter
SpringHollow mentioned the Rachet Rake. I've used 1 for around 10 years to 'soften up' the hardpan on my driveway before leveling it. I also use it in Spring to roughen up the ice on my driveway so it thaws quicker. I find it's a great attachment and not to terribly expensive.
 
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@SpringHollow & @bugmeist thanks for the tip on the ratchet rake. I don't get out much, so I had never heard of / seen it. I am thinking that it might be great to back drag my arena with to loosen the pea gravel and disturb the weeds.

Thanks!

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Bolt on blade for buckets #28  
SpringHollow mentioned the Rachet Rake. I've used 1 for around 10 years to 'soften up' the hardpan on my driveway before leveling it. I also use it in Spring to roughen up the ice on my driveway so it thaws quicker. I find it's a great attachment and not to terribly expensive.
I been around equipment and farming my whole life and never heard of one either.... Jim
 
   / Bolt on blade for buckets #29  
So the 1" blade took the "smile" out of your bucket?
Clamped an I beam on bottom and sledged it straighter. After welding its never moved back
 
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I am thinking about a bolt on blade from Tractor Supply. It is boron steel (new to me), so I am thinking bolt on rather than welding as heating, and heat affected zones are apparently a problem for boron steel.

Anyone tried these MET Impex blades?

A number of the other cutting edge that I looked into weren't actually very hard or stiff when I looked into it. (1055 or worse)

Thanks in advance!

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Bolt on blade for buckets #31  
Just reading the description, the MET Impex looks like a high carbon steel.....very hard, but not very tough. If the bucket is wearing out from abrasion rather than impact it might be a good idea. If the wear out is more bending the other steel could be better choice. Boron tends to add hardness while preserving some toughness.
 
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Just reading the description, the MET Impex looks like a high carbon steel.....very hard, but not very tough. If the bucket is wearing out from abrasion rather than impact it might be a good idea. If the wear out is more bending the other steel could be better choice. Boron tends to add hardness while preserving some toughness.
It is supposed to be a boron steel, which is why I bought it. Bruxite

When I cut the original PT blade off, I discovered that about two feet of welds were cracked in half, I.e. in the middle of the weld. (Lack of preheat, hydrogen embrittlement, one too many times getting deformed by a rock?)

I finally welded the new blade on last weekend. The specifications for welding Bruxite are to preheat to 50 degrees C, (122F) and do not exceed 225C (437F) 3" from the weld. The other bit of advice I got was that keeping the welds warm (long, slow cooling) and doing repeated passes would help reduce hydrogen embrittlement of the welds. I used a Harbor Freight million BTU propane torch to do the preheat, and I wouldn't advise trying with less than 500,000. I used a silicone rubber treated fiberglass welding blanket from Amazon to keep the blade wrapped and warm wherever I wasn't welding.

Firing up the million BTU torch, we got the blade and bucket up to 70C, which was loud. I used a new can of 1/8" 9018 rods. I stitch welded, with 3" stitches, the back side going the opposite direction to how I was proceeding across the back bucket edge. Using about five or six passes, I laid down enough weld to match the thickness of the new blade to spread the load on the bucket, tying both bucket floor reinforcements into the blade. The top leading edge I stitch welded a continuous seam weld in about five passes of stitches until it was all joined up.

I had two helpers, one grinding the flux off between passes and one keeping a eye on the temperature with a calibrated IR thermometer so I could hop around the blade welding different areas and warming the areas up that were cooling down. We needed about three heat boosts during the welding for edges that cooled off too much (getting close to 50C), but once it was at 70C the blade mostly stayed there. When I was done, I wrapped the blade in the blanket and left it to cool slowing.

It took a bit of adjusting in the beginning to get the current up enough to get a good weld puddle on the new 3/4" thick blade. The other "fiddly" bit was turning the blade over and end for end to enable me to do all of the welding horizontally. It was my first time welding with 9018, I did get get better with time, but learning on a critical job isn't my favorite time to learn. (Not complaining! @MossRoad has the best learning on the job inches from death story that I know.)

Oh, yeah, and my HF cheapo welding helmet darkened out during the job, which made seeing the welds...challenging. Ordered a new 4C helmet to replace it. No real complaints on the helmet as it has lasted for a decade of hobby use. It just wasn't ideal timing.

Overall: If I were to do it over, I think that I should have gone for the bolt on blade and bought myself an annular cutting magnetic drill to put holes in the blade. It was by far the most complex welding project that I have done because of the once you start, you are committed for the whole job to minimize the chances your welds might crack. Still, I learned lots, and had a chance to practice welding. (Used a Lotos LTPDC2000D welder/plasma cutter)

All the best,

Peter

P.S. four days later, with light use, no cracks on the welds. Yay!
 
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   / Bolt on blade for buckets #33  
Same happens to mine.

I repaired it and braced it with a steel 'x' across the bottom.... Helps.

We tend to use a mini skidsteer land plane now. Built to backdrag and works on the same cheese slicer concept.

Easy to fab or relatively low cost purchase. Palletforks.com has them..
 
   / Bolt on blade for buckets #34  
I enjoyed reading that post! :)

Nothing better than seeing a group of people working together on a task. Had to do teamwork on the printing presses often, and I enjoyed it tremendously.
 
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I enjoyed reading that post! :)

Nothing better than seeing a group of people working together on a task. Had to do teamwork on the printing presses often, and I enjoyed it tremendously.
Yes, it was great teamwork. It was really nice of my sister and nephew to help out. We all had fun.

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Bolt on blade for buckets #36  
Yes, it was great teamwork. It was really nice of my sister and nephew to help out. We all had fun.

All the best,

Peter
I coerced my wife, daughter and son in-law to work poured concrete slabs while I sat on a tractor! That was sneaky! 🤣
 
   / Bolt on blade for buckets #38  
(Not complaining! @MossRoad has the best learning on the job inches from death story that I know.)

Link to this story? Would like to read it.
 
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(Not complaining! @MossRoad has the best learning on the job inches from death story that I know.)

Link to this story? Would like to read it.
Well it is really @MossRoad's story, but here is the link;
Post in thread 'Cool Or Creepy Things Found In The Bush Or On Your Property'
Cool Or Creepy Things Found In The Bush Or On Your Property

I am sure he could elaborate on it in depth.

If you have never been close to a running printing press doing tomorrow's paper, the danger level can be hard to appreciate, but to give you the flavor; the newsprint is going by in tens of miles per hour speeds, with a roller gap the thickness of a sheet of newsprint. That also creates suction...

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Bolt on blade for buckets #40  
Well it is really @MossRoad's story, but here is the link;
Post in thread 'Cool Or Creepy Things Found In The Bush Or On Your Property'
Cool Or Creepy Things Found In The Bush Or On Your Property

I am sure he could elaborate on it in depth.

If you have never been close to a running printing press doing tomorrow's paper, the danger level can be hard to appreciate, but to give you the flavor; the newsprint is going by in tens of miles per hour speeds, with a roller gap the thickness of a sheet of newsprint. That also creates suction...

All the best,

Peter
I was in paper before, just not web printing. Thanks for the link, just read it. I can not believe that was done. Would have been my last day on the job and would have went to get a different one. Nip points are serious, we had a guy de-gloved on a flexo for corrugated. Glad that is all that happened as the blood lubricated the rubber feed roll and his helper hit the e-stop immediately. Gives me the Willie's to this day.
 

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