brin
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Bird...I must have it has been 30 yrs. at least since I heard that story...what was it up in the tree ? I have thought it was a coon...Old timers disease has set in...LOL
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CD thanks so much for sharing your front line insight. I know this hits close to home for you and this industry is how you pay your bills. I am glad you were not working that rig. We all know we need the product you produce. I don't think anyone was forgetting the tragedy the family's of those lost are feeling. It can only be described as horrific.
For me the question is whether safety measures were being over looked for the sake of profit. I surely don't mean the professional workers on the rig overlooking safety but has the industry overlooked safety. As you said there are thousands of wells out in the gulf and this tragedy brings to light that there are also thousands of potential disasters. It sure seems for to me, uneducated in the oil drilling process, that it is taking a long time and new inventions are being tried to stop the problem. I would have thought the industry would have addressed the possibility of this type of failure prior to the disaster. After all, there are thousands of potential disasters out there.
As I understand it we have already had a lose of crude that is 4x the loss in Zaldez. They are still seeing oil there after 21 years. If that turns out to be the case this time, x4, the seafood industry on the gulf will be destroyed. That is a lot of lives and 20% of US seafood jeopardized.
CD my concerns are not about the professionals working the rigs as much as the companies managing the rigs and the people regulating them.
MarkV
For me the question is whether safety measures were being over looked for the sake of profit. I surely don't mean the professional workers on the rig overlooking safety but has the industry overlooked safety. As you said there are thousands of wells out in the gulf and this tragedy brings to light that there are also thousands of potential disasters. It sure seems for to me, uneducated in the oil drilling process, that it is taking a long time and new inventions are being tried to stop the problem. I would have thought the industry would have addressed the possibility of this type of failure prior to the disaster. After all, there are thousands of potential disasters out there.
As I understand it we have already had a lose of crude that is 4x the loss in Zaldez. They are still seeing oil there after 21 years. If that turns out to be the case this time, x4, the seafood industry on the gulf will be destroyed. That is a lot of lives and 20% of US seafood jeopardized.
CD my concerns are not about the professionals working the rigs as much as the companies managing the rigs and the people regulating them.
MarkV
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Bob, if you click on that link, you can hear him tell the whole story. He thought it was a coon when he climbed the tree, but it turned out to be a lynx. Not that it matters.:laughing: Jerry Clower was the favorite comedian of one of my brothers-in-law, and I liked him, too, although Justin Wilson (the Cajun) was even better, in my opinion.:laughing:
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When I was in the Navy at Panama City Florida, Old Red Hollind (SP) from Dothan Al. was on the TV at about 4 AM... he was so funny... Roster crows. Probably dead now. Shores of Panama City, Destin and many others are in harms way. Spent almost 4 years there.
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Egon
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Best stick to your present job!:laughing:
Don't know who Jerry Clowers is But I have heard Clifton Clowers on Wolverton Mountain has a Daughter!:thumbsup:
What a disaster for our country and the Gulf Coast States. It's an environmental disaster of epic proportion. The time for political rhetoric is over. It was said it could happen and it's happened. It's a complete and total disaster and nobody really knows what the **** to do about it. I don't think any of us should be taking it lightly.
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The Wall Street Journal has had some very in depth coverage of what happened on the rig. I certainly would not suggest that all of what happened is known but there seems to be some key points that caused the accident.
Reading the coverage it reminds me of the accident reports we read in the TBN Safety forum where someone was running a tractor or chainsaw and got in a hurry. Except in this case too many people died and billions of dollars have been lost.
Not sure how much of this I misread or was not accurate but here it is....
They key things to me:
There was a group of BP executives on the rig the day of the explosion to celebrate the safety record of the crew. I wonder if the BP manager wanted to be able to tell the bosses they were done with that phase of the project...
At this point it seems that the BP manager is the cause of this mess.
Later,
Dan
Reading the coverage it reminds me of the accident reports we read in the TBN Safety forum where someone was running a tractor or chainsaw and got in a hurry. Except in this case too many people died and billions of dollars have been lost.
Not sure how much of this I misread or was not accurate but here it is....
They key things to me:
- A meeting between the rig manager and his team along with the BP manager and his team. There was a disagreement over how to proceed given the readings the crew was seeing. The room was cleared so that only the BP and rig manager were left to have a chat. BP manager made a decision and they went down a path the rig team did not want to go.
- The drilling mud should have been cycled through the pipe to check for gas leakage. This would have taken something like 12 hours or so. The crew checked the mud for 30 minutes per the BP manager. Not enough time to check for gas leakage even though they had pressure readings that needed to be checked.
- The drilling mud should have been left in the pipe while concrete was pushed down for a final plug. The mud is needed to keep the gas from escaping. Instead BP had the crew cycle out the mud and use sea water while the plug was placed. The sea water could not hold back the gas.
- There are some other tidbits about spacers in the pipe, pressure readings and such but this seems to me to be the chain of events causing the accident.
There was a group of BP executives on the rig the day of the explosion to celebrate the safety record of the crew. I wonder if the BP manager wanted to be able to tell the bosses they were done with that phase of the project...
At this point it seems that the BP manager is the cause of this mess.
Later,
Dan
brin
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Was that the same Justin Wilson, Cajun that had the cooking show...My wife and I were huge fans of his cooking show..he was a hoot...sorry he is gone if he is one in the same.
Bird, remember the Jerry Clower one where the punch line was Ding a Ling ! Ding a Ling ! LOL:laughing:
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Yep, Bob, he's the same. I first heard of him in the early '60s when WRR radio station used to have something they called the "Library of Laughs" on late at night and they sometimes played some of his stories. I eventually bought some of his albums, so I knew of him as a comedian long before I heard of his other occupations. Then in the '70s, he was the guest speaker at a couple of law enforcement conventions I went to. He was quite a character; comedian, chef, and safety consultant (used to teach in some state police academies). He was just an "honorary" deputy sheriff where he lived. His father had been what we call a county commissioner, but since Louisiana has parrishes instead of counties, I'm not sure what title his father had.