Bear attack in AZ

[MAX-24-Dean]

I blame Disney... People seem to think that every animal want to be their friend and be petted. Very few have any clue how to read body language and posture. Even the nicest pet or livestock has it's moments.

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The personification of wildlife has left us with some pretty ignorant humans.
Had an encouter with a cougar a while back and made a post about it. Scarred the life out of me.
Later we found out the new neighbors from the big city (Portland Or) were feeding the cougar kittens on thier porch. The result when they became adults, they had no fear of humans or being near buildings.
One was dispatched on my property by the game department. Another one was shot on a neighbors porch and the third cat was shot at the entry of another neighbors garage.
I don't think any of them would have been dispatched, if they would have been left to find there own food and had kept thier fear of humans.

Ignorance has consequences, please don't feed wild animals or leave food out that they have open access to.

 

[2515R Dude]

He has a judgment problem.

He will have much to answer for if the wounded angry bear grabs a child in the community. After it has absorbed the purposeful non-lethal shot delivered by a complete idiot.

For his "convenience" to not deal with a carcass, he causes enormous animal suffering plus unleashes the wounded bear onto neighbors-- so it is "their" problem instead of his.

What's wrong with taking care of business in a humane and proper way?

It is your opinion, and opinions like elbows, most have two.
The closest neighbor is at least 10 miles away, so, no problem here. Killing a bear or worse a cugar is a huge problem, can go to a jail time in CA, so either SSS, or do what he does.
Also, when one chose his well being ( his cows he is responsible for) vs. well being of some dozens of thieves (bears and mountain lions), the choice is obvious imo. How many cows one bear can kill in a year? How many cubs can a mountain lions kill in a year? Now multiply it by dozen at least and then for the price of each cow.
Did you get the picture, still want to protect those sweet fluffy little bears and cats.

But you, just go ahead, judge people by your standards without knowing or thinking.

 

[Jstpssng]

It is your opinion, and opinions like elbows, most have two.
The closest neighbor is at least 10 miles away, so, no problem here. Killing a bear or worse a cugar is a huge problem, can go to a jail time in CA, so either SSS, or do what he does.
Also, when one chose his well being ( his cows he is responsible for) vs. well being of some dozens of thieves (bears and mountain lions), the choice is obvious imo. How many cows one bear can kill in a year? How many cubs can a mountain lions kill in a year? Now multiply it by dozen at least and then for the price of each cow.
Did you get the picture, still want to protect those sweet fluffy little bears and cats.

But you, just go ahead, judge people by your standards without knowing or thinking.

I will indeed judge by my standard. I don't condone intentionally injuring any animal. We claim to be superior beings. Either kill it, or leave it alone; don't leave it to run off and suffer.

I highly doubt that he will get in any less trouble for shooting to wound than if he killed them.
I also know that a bear will travel more than 10 miles.

Edit; here is the statute; (bold is mine)

FISH AND GAME CODE
SECTION 4800-4809

4800. (a) The mountain lion (genus Felis) is a specially protected
mammal under the laws of this state.
(b) It is unlawful to take, injure, possess, transport, import, or
sell any mountain lion or any part or product thereof, except as
specifically provided in this chapter or in Chapter 2 (commencing
with Section 2116) of Division 3.

 

[Eagle1]

It is your opinion, and opinions like elbows, most have two.
The closest neighbor is at least 10 miles away, so, no problem here. Killing a bear or worse a cugar is a huge problem, can go to a jail time in CA, so either SSS, or do what he does.
Also, when one chose his well being ( his cows he is responsible for) vs. well being of some dozens of thieves (bears and mountain lions), the choice is obvious imo. How many cows one bear can kill in a year? How many cubs can a mountain lions kill in a year? Now multiply it by dozen at least and then for the price of each cow.
Did you get the picture, still want to protect those sweet fluffy little bears and cats.

But you, just go ahead, judge people by your standards without knowing or thinking.

No not protect the fuzzy evil doers.
I do plenty of killing around here and if bear or cougar are after my cattle it would stop. Killing a predator when it attacks livestock is legal here. Even it wasn't the old timers always took care of their problem.
I have a problem with wounding on purpose, a wounded bear or cougar is very dangerous to anyone. If the are unable to hunt and in pain some hiker or child will be easier to catch. Not all gut shots are lethal and causing unnecessary suffering is worse IMHO.

I fully understand the absolute stupidity in CA, I escaped back in the 80's.
SSS is much more humane than gut shoot on purpose and yes I have a backhoe.

I have ZERO problems with removing a threat to my livestock or family and would not hesitate. However you do NOT have to cause a long painful death on purpose, that is just being an A$$ and not something I could ever respect.

 

[Eagle1]

Just looked and CA allows killing of both if caught in the act of attacking livestock or pose a direct danger to to people. WITHOUT a permit. Just have to report it like every other state.
"Following an investigation that has confirmed a livestock loss from a mountain lion, the California Department of Fish and Wildlife shall issue (depredation) permits when requested by ranchers"
Same is true for bears....

 

[Larry Caldwell]

My dogs will let me know if there is a predator around, or I will see bear scat, tree damage, dug out yellowjacket nests, etc. I saw a black bear cub on the road half a mile away a couple years ago. I have never had a problem with them. I had a 120 lb. Large Munsterlander who tackled a cougar once. He ended up with a few holes in him, and so did the cat. Both survived.

 

[ultrarunner]

Seems non livestock property damage may be treated different?

Although airports receive Depreciation permits for birds near runways... and beekeepers have special rules in some places.

 

[2515R Dude]

Either kill it, or leave it alone; don't leave it to run off and suffer.

I highly doubt that he will get in any less trouble for shooting to wound than if he killed them.

Kill - it means very high probability of $1,000s of fines in case of bear and potential jail time in addition to very, very steep fines in case of cougar (Most of them have a GPS attached, so SSS is a little problematic there). Leave alone? just seat and watch how they kill your livestock? What is your choice? remember, it is Komifornia. The life of a cougar is more valuable than humans.

I do plenty of killing around here and if bear or cougar are after my cattle it would stop. Killing a predator when it attacks livestock is legal here.
I have ZERO problems with removing a threat to my livestock or family and would not hesitate. However you do NOT have to cause a long painful death on purpose, that is just being an A$$ and not something I could ever respect.

But he is CA, remember? At the beginning i always was really angry, but then, after spending long time there i saw no other choice, either gut shot or lose cows. Myself i understand it but still oppose it and personally would not do it.

The cows are not his, he just takes care of them during spring-summer-fall time and his salary depends on how many cows he returns back on November-December to the owner.

So, what would you do boys, a-SSS and get fined or arrested, b- leave them be and watch your cows get killed by thieves or c- do what he does?

 

[Jstpssng]

My dogs will let me know if there is a predator around, or I will see bear scat, tree damage, dug out yellowjacket nests, etc. I saw a black bear cub on the road half a mile away a couple years ago. I have never had a problem with them. I had a 120 lb. Large Munsterlander who tackled a cougar once. He ended up with a few holes in him, and so did the cat. Both survived.
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I haven't seen any in the last few years but for a while it wasn't uncommon to look out my window and see a bear strolling through. After I moved in I cut a lot of trees. As the stumps started to rot the ants moved in, and the bears thought it was a smorgasbord. I also have a blueberry field against my back property line, and have seen them feeding up there from time to time; or travelling across my land to get there.

 

[Jstpssng]

Kill it means very high probability of $1,000s of fines in case of bear and potential jail time in addition to very, very steep fines in case of cougar (Most of them have a GPS attached, so SSS is a little problematic there. Leave alone, just seat and watch how they kill your livestock? What is your choice, remember, it is Komifornia. The life of a cougar is more valuable than humans.


But he is CA, remember? At the beginning i always was really angry, but then, after spending long time there i saw no other choice, either gut shot or lose cows. Myself i understand it but still oppose it and personally would not do it.

The cows are not his, he just takes care of them during spring summer fall time and his salary depends on how mane cows he returns back on November-December to the owner. If he loses 12-15 cows, he would not get a single penny.

As I just posted, the fine is the same for injuring as it is for killing. Also, as another posted above there are provisions for animals which are harassing wildlife.

So, what would you do boys, a-SSS and get fined or arrested, b- leave them be and watch your cows get killed by thieves or c- do what he does?

I don't condone intentionally injuring an animal so that he can run off to suffer, for any reason. That will never change, I was raised differently.