Bashing

butzkeg · Dec 19, 2001

John,

Maybe not my momma, but my mother-in-law...you're so close on that, you may be right!

Oh no! Not the visual, block it out, block it out. Think happy thoughts.

Anonymous Poster · Dec 19, 2001

Greg...

Don't tell a soul... but us green owners have to give J the impression theres some "in-fighting" among us green folk... I can see that big smile on his face now...(he's probably so happy, his face is glowing orange...) but just don't tell anyone... /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

fishman · Dec 19, 2001

Trescrows,
Meanwhile the thread from Hades continues to grow--is this the largest ever? 

Nope, not yet. Harv's "Signatures" thread in "Forum Feedback" currently stands at 255 posts.

I really hope this thread doesn't hang around that long./w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif

TresCrows · Dec 19, 2001

Fishman, oh be a sport like John Miller III! Like, Doc holiday said-- "why your no Daisey at all"! /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
Hey, how do you improve a pond, you said in your profile that you are improving your acerage and have a seasonal pond. Would a well keep it from going dry--maybe a windmill pump? I am wondering the same thing though my pond is very small there has been no water in it now for a year--heck it has not rained by my standards here in at least 2 years. The dry pond is like a great big sandbox for the 'bota to play in, I suppose that is a good thing. J

fishman · Dec 19, 2001

Trescrows,

Generally, when a pond won't hold water, the best thing to do is to seal it. Adding water is an option, but expensive, and you have to commit to doing it basically forever. Sealing can be accomplished with good clay fill, sodium bentonite, or by using a liner, kind of like a swimming pool. If you pond is small, any of these options should be reasonable in price, and you might even be able to accomplish it using the mighty BX!/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Check on the web using keywords like pond leak, pond seal, bentonite, pond liner, etc, and you'll get plenty of information.

oombala · Dec 28, 2001

from what ive discovered in my shopping, john deere only has 1 thats one tractor completely made in the usa. all the others are made overseas and shipped her to be put togethor.

TerryinMD · Dec 28, 2001

oombala,

I own a JD and the compacts are Yanmar manufactured but assembled in the US. Now as far as the Utility and larger tractors, some of the that may be true.

Terry

Anonymous Poster · Dec 28, 2001

THE FINAL WORD ON JD COMPACTS - enough already... I have numerous JD tractors and JD items including a JD4100 I use to mow, and have about every JD attachment made for it. I do my research and am amazed about the misconceptions continuously spewed at dealers and on this message board: ALL JD COMPACT TRACTORS have engines and drive lines manufactured by Yanmar to JD specs for JD. THEY ARE NOT COPIES OF OR GREEN PAINTED YANMAR TRACTORS! The 4100, as are the 790 and 990, is mostly assembled by Yanmar and shipped with finish assembly and prep done in Georgia. the 4200 to 4700 are Yanmar drivelines and engines with most assembly and other parts from other suppliers done in Georgia. If you want the straight story - do what I did - call Augusta , GA, schedule a plant tour and ask questions. We had a personal tour for my family last summer and JD was excellent, answering questions and providing a personal tour guide. We even got a glimpse of the "10"series in prototype form.

HEY CHAMP - my two cents worth - by from a dealer that will take care of you - check the reputations and then pick one of their tractors. The tractors are a toss-up - get the best dealer. I personally think that if you line up the BX2200 and the JD455 (don't ya'll yap back 'till you look at the specs -loaders, mowers and all - side-by-side), except for the ROPS, you'll find them almost identical in specs. (sure the BX has a cat 1 3pt and the 455 has a cat O, but as low to the ground as both are - you can't lift things very high anyway! The 4100, NH21 and B2700 will work with a post hole digger - try that with a 455 or BX. I do like the looks of that NH21, but our dealer in this area isn't that reputable.

Nuru · Dec 28, 2001

BiggDann, you are correct! Good points, good info, and good recommendation about the dealer selection. That is what I did and it came down to going 25 minutes to a good JD dealer or 3 hours to a Good Kubota/Deere Dealer. I chose the shorter trip (even though I bought my tractor at a dealer 45 minutes away). i have a dealer within 15 minutes of my location but I do not do business with this dealer any longer as his attitude was never that good and it really soured drastically when he found out I was shopping around for the best price instead of just dealing with him. I guess he doesn't realize that I was still willing to get parts from him because he is so close. Oh well, another sale lost due to bad "dealer-tude"

Nuru

Nuru · Dec 28, 2001

oombala, so even if this is true, is JD somehow misrepresenting something? If so I hope that you realize that Chrysler, Ford and GM all are making cars with a lot of internationally manufactured parts, so JD appears to be keeping instep with the current practices of other manufacturers, and is ahead of others. In another thread individuals mentioned seeing the demonstration of GPS augmented tractor, that was being controlled remotely or in a preprogrammed fashion. i believe it was cutting grass in one case and spraying a field in another. It was also avoiding obstacles to - without a driver in the cab.

Sounds pretty leading edge to me.

Nuru

TresCrows · Dec 28, 2001

Just when I had hoped this thread had died--- and all of this is old news---1. the BX works fine with many posthole diggers 2. the loader on the BX is much superior to that "thing" on the 455. 3. the BX and 455 side by side really are not comparable 4. comparisons of the BX to the 4100 are unfair as that tractor should be compared to the 2410 5. the BX loader has the same or better lift height specs -- read the specs for yourself---- when compared to the 7500 and 2410 and 4100 there is a thread on this already). 5. the BX, even in 2WD mode has far more pulling power than the 455--it is true like it or not.
Personally, where JD tractors are made is not an issue--but it is with some people who want to be ethnocentric.
JD markets a fine series of machines--I just feel the "old in the tooth" 400 series are in need of real updating especially considereing price. My neighbors dad had some interesting tidbits when I spoke to him over the holidays--he is a JD dealer. He was over looking the BX over and my other new toy (shhhhhh--it is a secret) and was telling me that the new 400X and 500X updates are not intended to match the BX but that the new JD4010 will be a subcompact type machine with some user friendly features. According to him it will be slightly larger than the BX but smaller than the excellent 4100 (aka 4110) and will be an excellent entry in this new field. He sells mostly ag stuff in a rural area but he told me last time we spoke that at dealer meetings he has attended JD sales for small tractors has been impacted by the BX -- mostly around the larger cities (suburban areas I assume). He is a very nice man and I have no reason to not believe him. He also stated that the dealers are looking forward to the promised improvements and are very hopeful they are delievered upon by JD--sounds like an exciting year coming up for "tractor wars" and some excellent new tractors to dream about.
BiggDann--is that from the movie --Oh Brother Where art Thou ??--an excellent movie. Please register and welcome to tractorbynet. Also, if ya want to argue (discuss-- /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif ) with me (455 vs BX) maybe we could do it private so as not to stir the kettle to much. The 455 is an excellent machine--it is just the cost of it that get's me. Hope y'all had a wonderful Christmas.
J

Anonymous Poster · Dec 28, 2001

Thanks for the info - I will register this weekend. No - don't want to argue (discuss) the 455/BX/4100/NH21 thing... I'm fortunate enough to have too much dumb equipment around anyway... and if I'm in a hurry to mow... my JD8400 with a 12 rotary cutter will mow the yard, 455's, BX's and most else is short order (although I hate picking out those cub cadet parts from under the blades after mowing though - just kidding before someone goes off the deep-end...)

Seriously - find a good dealer, a good tractor, keep water out of your diesel fuel and enjoy!

Nuru · Dec 29, 2001

Tres:

"Personally, where JD tractors are made is not an issue--but it is with some people who want to be ethnocentric.",

Actually it may be more National-centric, but you are correct. It seems some individuals do have some heartburn on where a product is made, even thought he heartburn should be directd at the American Execs who make those decisions not the Consumers who buy the products.

"5. the BX, even in 2WD mode has far more pulling power than the 455--it is true like it or not." Yes it is a lot heavier than the 455, from the start, thus it can definitely provide more traction, and I do think the BX series is a younger design than the 400 series (correct me if I am wrong), so they probably definitely benefitted from noting the observed shortcomings of the 400 series.

"My neighbors dad had some interesting tidbits when I spoke to him over the holidays--he is a JD dealer. He was over looking the BX over and my other new toy (shhhhhh--it is a secret) and was telling me that the new 400X and 500X updates are not intended to match the BX but that the new JD4010 will be a subcompact type machine with some user friendly features. According to him it will be slightly larger than the BX but smaller than the excellent 4100 (aka 4110) and will be an excellent entry in this new field."

I was told it would be very similar in size with a difference in the hood and other body parts making it appear smaller, but it actually wasn't, but if that size change is correct, then I hope they also reduce the price. Also there is a 4115 model that has more HP than the 4100 and 4110, which suppossedly have the same HP.

Yes it will be an intereting year for the "Tractor Wars"

nuru

TresCrows · Dec 29, 2001

Hi Nuru, you have to understand my JD dealer friend is into the big ag stuff. His observations of the new lawnmowers and the new compacts may not be completely accurate--if you were told something else then it may well be he is wrong somewhat. If as you say the 4010 is designed to look smaller but it really isn't then he certainly could have been fooled because all he has seen are pictures. One of the reasons the BX looks smaller besides the smaller wheels is the reverse flow set up with the battery and radiator under the steering wheel and the fuel tank conveiently relocated under the seat. This produces a more compact format that compared to my other toy which has the fuel tank forward of the steering wheel, the radiator way up front and the battery even further ahead. This way I get to break my poor back while fueling and spill fuel all over everything. I am kinda hoping that the new JD4010 will be a smaller unit than the 4100 with a rear fuel tank and reverse flow and that at some point Kubota will introduce a larger BX type machine also, then I can add it to my collection. Hey, how is that folding ROP's thing coming--figure out anything yet?
J

Kubota-monkey · Dec 29, 2001

Nuru You just have to remember that the foreign parts in those cars are the only things that hold them together /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Nuru · Dec 29, 2001

LOL!, But you have to also remember it an American Design that those foreign parts are typically usind in the first place. Transfused Innovation is what the Nipponese and the Europeans are really good at.

nuru

jimmoore · Dec 29, 2001

wish I had a fairly new ORANGE or GREEN so I could get my 2c worth in, but with a 21 y/o BLUE, I'll just read the threads and keep quite!

Nuru · Dec 29, 2001

Tres, I have sent inquiries to a number of sources and am awaiting the response on the Folding ROPS. I hope I can just order it from an importer, instead of trying to build my own.

Yes I do understand what you are saying about your JD Dealer buddy. The 4100 also has a set of smaller tires for it too and with those on it certainelt looks smaller - "Shorter"

I also understand what you are saying about the filling the tank located just infront of the Steerng wheel, without careful prep it can get very messy. My first fill up, I was a little excited and spilled some of the fuel.

Nuru

Turfman · Dec 29, 2001

Amen on the American design on a foreign product. I needed to take an axle off my Chev truck and couldn't figure it out, so I opened the manual for my wife's Landcruiser wagon and there was the picture of the Chev rearend. They looked exactly the same and the disassembly instructions worked perfectly for the Chev.

Nuru · Dec 30, 2001

Turfman, that is really interesting. I have a similar experience with aDatsun (well Nissan), 240z. My cousin had one in 1973, and realized while working on it, that the block was the same as a chevy 6 blovk, except the fuel pump was on the other side, but a lot o the parts were interchangeable. We came to find out that GM had worked with Nissan on the 240z's engine. Not the first, nor the last U.S./Nippon collaboration in autos. Again, we seem to have the greatest ideas (pure innovation), but they (the Europeans and the Nipponese), are better at transfused innovation (essentially taking someone else's ideas and exploiting them). Oh well the Consumer will continue to benefit.

Nuru