Bashing

[Anonymous Poster]

That was a great story...

What were the eight Kubota models you purchased the last 22 years...?

And why? /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[hartsjc]

Yeah, I agree with all the post here about do NOT give them business if all they can do is complain about the competitor. As for a comparison, I found a dealer that deal both Kubota's & John Deere. I told them what I was going to do with the tractor and that I wanted a FEL. They told me that the bx2200 would probably be my best. I asked about John Deere and they said, by the time I equip them similarly ... the John Deere would be about 1/2 the tractor for the same money.

That is my feeling after doing research, too. But, I know little to nothing about tractors overall.

/James

 

[BobinCols]

In my opinion, Kubota has the finest compact tractors you can purchase. The other brands have to bash. When you buy a Kubota, you purchase all Kubota except for the tires.
Neither JD or NH even make there own engines. JD's and NH's are only assembled here-none of the components are made here. The Kubota engines are CARB compliant. Steve Carver sends Kubotas accross the country-it's doubtful many JD's or NH's could be sold that way. Read the other boards and listen to the problems they have-which are numerous. Like I said once before, a dealer I looked at sold both JD and Kubota-he took me to the service area-nothing but green. A mechanic left me and went to a Kubota dealer where I bought-I asked what type of service work they did. He stated he mainly assembled new Kubotas. He did remember having the head off of one. If you want a 100+ ag tractor buy an american made JD otherwise Kubota has the upper hand right now.

 

[rwdunky]

MYSELF
- B7100, GREAT TRACTOR. I THINK KUBOTA WOULD HAVE SOLD MANY, MANY MORE IF IT WOULD HAVE OFFERED POWER STEERING ON THIS MODEL.
- BX220, PERFECT FOR MY NEEDS
MY FATHER
-B7100HST, B9200HST, B2150HST, G6200HST, G2000 AND A BX2200
NO PROBLEMS WITH ANY OF MY FATHERS TRACTORS, JUST LIKES NEW STUFF

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Thanks...

No doubt your family is sold on the Kubota line...

I'm sorry your Dad had a sour experience 22 years ago with one salesperson that basically ruined the "whole bushel".{Today it's not very cost effective for the dealer or mfr. to demo a compact for a week... let alone a day, large ag tractors that are $50k is a horse of a different color however...}

I don't remember the exact figures, but Kubota basically "owns" the majority of the compact tractor market under 25 hp... In fact, I'll go as far to say they "invented" the compact tractor market for the United States back in the mid-sixties...

We have a number of dealers on TBN and maybe some of them can chime in and give up-to-date 2001 figures for market share... or even Muhammad may have some numbers he can post...

Anyways, competition is good for everyone as it makes for a far better product and keeps the pricing in check... /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

 

[Nuru]

No the 4100 is not made in Japan, it is designe in the US by JD, some parts are subcontracted out to Yanmar in Japan, some parts are Deere made, assembly is in Georgia. now the 790 and the 990 are Deere Designed, and built by Yanmar to those Deere Specs.


And that's the truth

 

[Nuru]

Another reason JDs are not shipped like Carver does is that there are so many JD dealers that you can typically always find a good/fair or reasonable price near you. Now that price maybe high compared to the Kubotas but hey, let's think resale and trade in here too!

 

[SteveM]

I wonder where you got that information - I had always been told by my deere dealer that the 4100 was a green yanmar - tip to stern - and that 4200 and up are built as you describe, in Ga. with some parts from Yanmar. I would love to think the 4100 is assembled here, but you are the first I've heard claim that.

 

[Knight9]

<font color=blue>Now that price maybe high compared to the Kubotas but hey, let's think resale and trade in here too</font color=blue>

WOW!!!! You sound just like my local JD dealer. Please see and read my early comment in this very thread for my viewpoint on the whole "ya we're more but think of the resale value" argument.

Kevin

 

[Harv]

<font color=blue>let's think resale and trade in here too</font color=blue>

I want to be politically correct here 'cuz I believe JD and Kubota both make fine tractors, but I thought I would share the experience I had when I was shopping for a used tractor a year ago.

For several months I was working with a tractor broker to find a good deal on a used 'L' sized Kubota. I had done much research and decided to go orange, mostly because it seemed like the green ones were spending more time in the shop, at least in this area (northern/central California).

Several times a week, the broker would call me and try to talk me into buying a used Deere 'cuz there were so many available at "really good" prices. As he put it, almost nobody was selling their Kubotas, and those who did were getting close to new prices, even with over a thousand hours on them.

Obviously, I held out for orange, and wound up paying a little more than I intended to originally. One year later, I am still very happy with my li'l L.

I realize this is one small, isolated sample of the resale issue, but I just wanted to share. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

 

[Von]

Harv,
I know what you mean, I sold my 87' B8200 with 985 hrs. for $12k and thats more than it was new! And my neighbor picked up a 92' JD 855 with FEL, 72" MMM and cab for $10k. And he had his pick at the auction. No one wanted the JD's but the Kubota's were getting high prices.

 

[glennmac]

Boy, is this a well-titled and one-sided thread. JMIII is doing his diplomatic best, but the Kubotan Al Quaeda is swarming the countryside.

I like the comment that JD has evolved into little more than a marketing organization. That hits the nail. Deere is no longer what it was for its first 100 years--a Yankee-ingenuity company that designs, builds and promptly services a leading-edge, tough-as-nails product. Like LL Bean and the old IBM, there was a tradition, almost a mystique, of solidity, quality, service and righteous honesty.

Now, Deere is just a name, a trademark, an internet-like illusion. Its all about marketing its past reputation and clever fibs about the present. And their marketing approach is poor, as people all over the country comment about. Do they train their salemen to be arrogant?

John Deere, the man, would not today want to own John Deere, the company. John Deere's past is Kubota's present. Kubota is now Deere.

 

[Nuru]

multiple Deere Dealers and Deere tech support.

nuru

 

[Nuru]

Glennmac, what makes you think that Kubota is not just a name and advertising too? they are just as commercial as Deere, and their webssite is worse!

Pluus if we looked at the investors, Deere and NH probably own 25% of Kubota and Yanmar! As do the big 2 Auto Makers do with the Nipponese Auto makers.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Re: No Bashing & some truths...

Country of Origin -Japan
JD4100, 770, & 990

 

[cowboydoc]

Now why is it that kubota made in Japan is the greatest thing since sliced bread in you guys opinion and a Yanmar "supposedly" is an inferior product because it is made in Japan. Isn't that like saying Toyota is better than Nissan?

Glenn you are completely out of line with your comments about deere as a company. You just had a post earlier about how great the new deere was going to be and how state of the art it was and how could kubota ever compete and now you come back and say deere is a nothing company, come on at least if you are going to bash deere don't praise them in another post. Deere as competing in the compact market you have a little validity. In the farming tradition deere is unequaled my friends, period, end of story. Mr. Deere started John Deere as a farming outfit, not an outfit to cater to homeowners and little acreages. Kubota filled that void, I say good for them. But in the agricultural world John Deere keeps coming out with technology that blows everyone else out of the water. They are still the leader, no questions and no more comments needed. Everyone and I mean every mfg. in the country uses foreign labor. To be competitive deere has done the same with some things. But for the most part deere is still a US product. Deere design borrows from noone. They don't have to they just raise the bar themselves. Almost every single piece of equipment in agriculture that you look at it was usually a deere design first.

As far as the compact market deere was never a very big player in it because there wasn't that much of a demand. Now there is a demand and they are reaching to fill that void. Don't kid yourselves all of those advancements on the kubuta were designed off of a full-size tractor and deere was the first to use those designs, even down to the ROPS, john deere design. The new 10 series has advancements unparalled in ANY tractor line. The rest will be playing catch-up on these design changes. Once again it is Deere that has raised the bar. Yes kubota will respond and build a better tractor as well.

Deere is not content to rest on their laurels and they are shaping the future of ag. technology. They are still the leading company in agriculture and continue to raise the bar in every way.

Kubota is certainly a good tractor and yes deere dealers need some lessons in humility, I don't know where that comes from. I can tell you that around here it is exactly the opposite though. The deere dealers never even talk about kubota or any other mfg. for that matter. If you ask they won't comment about it or will give the info. and let you make your own decision about it. Having never owned one I can't comment about kubota and how good they are just go off of what other people say about them, but in no way is deere an inferior product or an inferior company. They are just as much on the cutting edge as they ever were. With their new design they didn't copy anyone they basically re-wrote the books. I really fail to see how you guys can grind them into the ground for bringing out new technology. All I hear is how terrible and unreliable they are going to be and what a piece of junk they are going to be and not a one of you has even seen one or driven one yet! It's kind of funny that the only thread that we ever had on what repairs you had done to your tractor there were jsut as many kubotas that had been in the shop as deere. I don't see anyone on this site ever bashing kubota so why does everyone bash deere all the time?

 

[TWINKLE_TOES]

Richard,
<font color=blue>why does everyone bash deere all the time?</font color=blue>?????

Thumpers Mother, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."

Al

 

[Snowman9000]

Based on what I've seen, having a JD tractor made by Yanmar is a plus, not a minus. That probably won't make anyone here happy.

-Don M, owner of green Yanmar

 

[Nuru]

Made to Deere Specs!

Nuru

 

[Nuru]

Agree