Baling with a compact - minimum size?

   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #51  
slowzuki said:
I cut, ted, rake, bale and now bale with a 180 bale wagon behind using a Kubota L5030HSTC. I am about 1000 lb light and 10 hp short for the baling with the wagon given the hills I have. On the flatter fields it is fine.

For that little amount of land, I would contract it out. There is a lot of money to be tied up into equipment to bale. Read in the ag tractor forum the "I Quit" thread.

Ive watched a farmer buddy using a square baler behind his 5030. The baler shakes the living h**l out of it. Id say about 2000 pounds more to keep it from walking around like a wild squirrel.

Kubota are light!!
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #53  
Well, mine with cab, loader and loaded tires is pushing 6500 lbs, its certainly not light for a compact. Its a lot more comfortable / less shaking around than the Case / IH 584 and 585 I used to use, or the Ford 3000 my neighbour uses. I suppose because its about 1500 lbs heavier than those ag tractors.

The problem I have is not quite enough power to get up the steep hills with the wagon behind and not enough weight to safely bring the baler and wagon down when loaded. The 10,000 lb tractor we had before was perfect for that though. BTW it also got shook around pretty good.

Sully2 said:
Ive watched a farmer buddy using a square baler behind his 5030. The baler shakes the living h**l out of it. Id say about 2000 pounds more to keep it from walking around like a wild squirrel.

Kubota are light!!
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #54  
I would not classify a ford 3000 as an Ag tractor.. not even a utility. It should fall in as a larger CUT.. etc.

A ford 4000 is moving towards utility.. etc.. Ford 7xxx and up Ag, etc..

soundguy
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #55  
rankrank1 said:
My old square back bush hog actually kicked the grass out rather well without shredding it.


thats what mine does. It leaves it windrowed nicely. infact ive had to go back and kick the "pile" to make shure i had cut the grass there as it just looks like clippings sitting on top of uncut grass.

I should go snap a pic...
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #56  
Well, I guess it has a longer wheelbase, is quite heavy compared to most CUT's and is used for farming in eastern parts. One of the farmers I worked for used one as his primary tractor from 1960 something until he sold his milk quota in 2003. He put up nearly 20,000 bales of hay a year with it. He mowed, tedded, raked and baled with big kicker wagons behind it the whole time.

He used to tow a corn silage chopper with it when he did silage.

They did have a backup tractor, a Ford 5000 with a loader, but the power steering had been broken and all the wiring burned out of it in the late 70's.

BTW A Ford 4630 would be considered a farm tractor around here too.

BTW 2, the neighbours dairy farm, about 600 acres total, ran on two IH 484's until the mid 80's when they went to a 584 and 585. The 484 is the same size as a Ford 3000.

Soundguy said:
I would not classify a ford 3000 as an Ag tractor.. not even a utility. It should fall in as a larger CUT.. etc.

A ford 4000 is moving towards utility.. etc.. Ford 7xxx and up Ag, etc..

soundguy
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #57  
Farm tractor yes.. but scut, cut, util, and AG are more or less tractor size designations, with some overlap.. 'farm' is a chore denotion.. much like 'industrial'.. etc.

soundguy
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #58  
I've owned a couple 3000's. One was bought new in 1973 and stayed with me until 2 years ago. They were (a) "pre-compact tractor" era, (b) adjustable track width to accomodate row cropping to a degree, (generally NOT a feature emphsized with a traditional "compact tractor" of today) and (c) considered a mid-sized utility tractor in their day. Ford touted them as a general purpose utility tractor for small or large farms in sales brochures of the day. In the 60's and 70's, many small farmers still used 35 to 45 hp tractors as their primary "big tractor". The 3000 wasn't even the smallest of Fords utility line-up "back in the day". Long and short, they were marketed primarily towards small farmers as "farm tractors".

A 3000 may compare in hp and to some degree, in physical size to some of todays bigger compacts, but they are a tried and true utility tractor from a past era.
 
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   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #59  
slowzuki said:
Well, mine with cab, loader and loaded tires is pushing 6500 lbs, its certainly not light for a compact. Its a lot more comfortable / less shaking around than the Case / IH 584 and 585 I used to use, or the Ford 3000 my neighbour uses. I suppose because its about 1500 lbs heavier than those ag tractors.

The problem I have is not quite enough power to get up the steep hills with the wagon behind and not enough weight to safely bring the baler and wagon down when loaded. The 10,000 lb tractor we had before was perfect for that though. BTW it also got shook around pretty good.

Id have to be sitting there watching the scales to belive a 5030 with FEL and cab and even loaded tires goes 6500 lbs!!!! My buddy has an OLD Ford..I think its a "601 PowerMaster"..? ( automatic tranny thingy) and it doesnt move around like the 5030 does with the sq baler and Im mighty sure it dont even get close to 6500 lbs ( no cab on the old Ford...just lots of old cast iron)

His other tractor is a late 80's International ( 80 HP turnbo charged job) but it dont have a cab and the "pansy" ( thats my nickname for him..lol) wants to ride in that AC....lol
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #60  
John Deere web page states the minimum HP required to run a JD348 Baler is
35 @540 RPM.
 

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