B2710/2910 killer?

[Anonymous Poster]

Steve Carver posted the following list prices for comparison. Thank you Steve!


<font color=blue>Example of base package price differences->
KUBOTA B series - 60 inch Mower-Loader-60 inch Aerator, Kubota Diesel Power, HST Trans, R4 Tires, Std. ROPS

B 7500, 21 hp, 60 inch deck, loader, 60 in aerator, R4s.. $14,598.
B 2410, 24 hp, 60 inch deck, loader, 60 in aerator, R4s.. $16,198.
B 2710, 27 hp, 60 inch deck, loader, 60 in aerator, R4s.. $17,198.
B 7800, 30 hp, 60 inch deck, loader, 60 in aerator, R4s.. $16,798.
B 2910, 30 hp, 60 inch deck, loader, 60 in aerator, R4s.. $18,998.all other models are at http://www.carverequipment.com/kubota.htm

Have fun,
Steve </font color=blue>

Which leads me to wonder...why is Kubota doing this?

I have a B2910, which I purchased a couple months ago. Had the B7800 been available, I would like have bought it. The 2910 does NOT offer enough to make it worth $2,000 over the B7800. I know that the B7800 does not offer the mid pto standard, but unless I read the info at the Carver site wrong, that is less than a $200 option.

When I look at the info on the B7800...I keep wanting to say goodbye to the 27/2910.

What am I missing here?????

Seems like the B7800 is a no brainer to me...why pay more for less, or a lot more for a lttle more...???

I do like my B2910 seat a lot, but the cruise crontrol and adjustable steering wheel I would give back in a minute...the added options of the B2910 are cetainly not worth the $2,000 plus over the list of the B7800.

Help me feel better! Tell me my B2910 is better than the B7800.../w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif

Actually, I am really happy with my B2910! But the B7800 sure looks like a much better deal...

Bill in Pgh, PA

 

[B7500]

Bill,
Not in the market (right now) but you do make a valid point. Hopefully, I won't get any "surprises" with my new B7500 purchase.
-T

 

[Rick Jay]

Hi Bill,

First of all, if I remember correctly, you, like myself, starting looking at the lower end of the B series and managed to talk yourself into getting the "top of the line" B2910, knowing full well that a B7500 probably would have been more than enough.

So...had the B7800 been available then, I'm willing to bet that we still would opt for the B2910. Well, I'm pretty sure I would.

I haven't seen any literature on the B7800, but I'm really anxious to see what the specific differences are between it and the B2710 & B2910. Does it have the same extendable 3 pt. hitch as the B2910? That's one of the main reasons I chose the B2910 over the B2710. The seat is nice too. I agree about the cruise control and adjustable steering column, I could live without them, but then again I'm not in the seat for hours on end. I do know that those extendable 3 pt. lower arms have saved a lot of wear and tear on the ol' back.

I can see where the B2710 and possibly the B2410 might loose some of their market share to the B7800, but I can't really say until I see a B7800 up close.

To be honest with you, I'm really glad they didn't come out with a B3310. Now that would have ruffled my feathers a bit. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Enjoy your B2910...I'd bet you'd buy it again if you were faced with the same decision now.

~Rick

 

[Kelvin]

I'll apologize ahead of time for jumping in on a discussion that wasn't aimed at me.

<font color=blue>First of all, if I remember correctly, you, like myself, starting looking at the lower end of the B series and managed to talk yourself into getting the "top of the line" B2910, knowing full well that a B7500 probably would have been more than enough.

Does it have the same extendable 3 pt. hitch as the B2910? That's one of the main reasons I chose the B2910 over the B2710.</font color=blue>

I agree (even though your post wasn't addressed to me...).

Even though I haven't made any purchases yet, it sounds like you guys went through the same shopping scenarios that I went through (I was [still am] looking at the B2710/B2910/Grand L??? as potential candidates for an upgrade to my B2150...add the B7800 to the list). And like the two of you, I came to the conclusion that the higher horsepower and extendable 3-point hitch links were worth the price difference between the B2710 and B2910; as I look at the B7800 discussions I wonder if they have the same key features. It doesn't sound like it.

<font color=blue>So...had the B7800 been available then, I'm willing to bet that we still would opt for the B2910.</font color=blue>

I'm not sure that I agree on this one.

Prior to the B7800 I can see a compact tractor shopper moving all the way through the B series all the way up to the B2910 because of the increased capabilities and productivity offered with each step. Limited information about the B7800 makes it hard to discuss, but it sounds like the B7800 is just as productive as the B2910 but just doesn't have as many creature comforts. A $1000 difference between the B2710 and B2910 was worth it to me for the increased HP and extendable 3-point hitch; I can't say that a $2000 difference between the B7800 and B2910 is small enough to make me take the jump, even if I do like the B2910's features a lot more.

But, until even more information is available on the B7800, it is hard to make any comparisons with certainty. Steve Carver's site usually has some good information comparing various model's specifications and features. I haven't had a chance to see how much information that he has put out there yet, but plan to soon.

Kelvin

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Hi Rick and Kelvin and everyone...

THe Carver site has some specific details on the B7800. My read of it is that the B7800 does not have the extendable PTO links or the ratcheting side adjustment.

BUT, I would guess you could buy the parts...well, I take that back before saying it...I remember that someone posted that the ratcheting thing for his B2910 was priced pretty high...Over $300???...what I was going to say is for $2,000 list, maybe it would be cheaper to buy the B7800 and add the B2910 parts later...but maybe not. Rick, you are probably right! At least with respect to both of us!

Yes, my desire for a bx22 grew into a B2910...good memory!

I still wonder why kubota has a line up of models that are so close to each other. And if you were purchasing a tractor for the price of a B7800, would you skimp to save a couple hundred and NOT get a mid PTO? That just doesn't make any sense to me at all. I hope I got the price right from the carver site...the image was not that clear...

Wonder what the actual price difference will be? For me, if the price difference was about $1,000 I probably would still go for the B2910, one time, twenty year use kind of purchase, and all that...

Bill in Pgh, PA

 

[Darren]

When comparing different tractors that seem the same, look at the weight. The heavier tractor will be able to use the the full hp in marginal situations. The lighter tractor will have problems like slippage sooner. Even with an L model, I get into situations where the tractor is "at the limit." There's not enough weight to handle the hp.

 

[cchoate]

The way I see it, I'd rather have less weight for mowing, raking, ect... When you need more weight, just add as much ballast as you want. Front, back, wheels, your choice.
People talk up Kioti's because they weigh more. I'm sorry, I don't buy into that reasoning.

 

[DK35vince]

I don't know if my Kioti weighs more or not.

But i do know it works very well !

 

[Darren]

It comes down to how the tractor will be used. For mowing lawns, I can see minimizing weight. For typical farm work such as plowing, loader worker, and pulling loads you need the weight. Tractor manufacturers don't spec front and rear axle capacities like truck builders.

Yes you can add ballast but unless you have info from the manufacturer you could over do it. I don't expect the tractor to immediately collapse, but you might cause increased wear on parts of the driveline and axles that you can't see. If two tractors from the same manufacturer seem the same but differ in price, other than options, I'd look at the construction of each machine. That's were I'd expect to see differences.

One of the complaints I have about my "L" is when turning the steering wheel one direction while sitting still the front end is so light, the wheels move the front end in the opposite direction I'm turning. That's with a load on the FEL forks. With my Ford which weighs twice as much as the "L" that doesn't happen. When you're doing loader work in tight quarters that opposite direction movement can get you into trouble.

 

[WoodnSteel]

About a month ago I had a chance to drive a B7800 in Omaha NE. It was on tour. I obviously didn't do anything but drive it around the parking lot but compared to the 2910, the differences were only the tilt wheel, extendable links, spring seat, lack of mid PTO. Engine was same. Frame same. Everything same. Dealer told me Kubota wanted to compete with other companies in the econo class. Said pride was about 1500 less than 2910. Mid PTO was an option at about 250.00. I was quoted a 7800, R4's, mid pto, wood FEL with detach bucket, pallet forks for 16200.00. Just a few more thoughts for those of us still contemplating a purchase.