An EV??????`

[shooterdon]

If we stopped posting about EVs, traffic on this site might take a 50% hit.

Ignore lists would be 75% less.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Electric tractor anyone?

They're supposed to be heavy, and usually don't go all that far from the house.

 

[Eagle1]

But Soletrac just got evicted from their business propert for non-payment of rent. All the equipment left will sold at auction to cover back rent of $65K

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Dang. Should've known that somebody tried (had to look Soletrac up).

Guess they're selling so well that nobody there had time to pay the rent.

 

[rswyan]

It is funny, and this according to our EPA:

"A typical passenger vehicle emits about 4.6 metric tons of CO2 per year.
This assumes the average gasoline vehicle on the road today has a fuel economy of about 22.2 miles per gallon and drives around 11,500 miles per year. Every gallon of gasoline burned creates about 8,887 grams of CO2.

8887 grams =19.592 pounds
A gallon of gasoline weighs 6 pounds.

Therefore the average car defies physics! If you burn 6 pounds of gasoline you get over three times weight of CO2!

Incorrect.

Also from the EPA:

How can burning one gallon of gasoline produce 8,887 grams (approximately 20 pounds) of tailpipe carbon, when one gallon of gasoline weighs only about six pounds?

Most of the weight of the CO2 doesn't come from the gasoline itself, but the oxygen in the air. When gasoline burns, the carbon and hydrogen separate. The hydrogen combines with oxygen to form water (H2O), and carbon combines with oxygen to form carbon dioxide (CO2).

Greenhouse Gas Emissions from a Typical Passenger Vehicle | US EPA

This page answers questions about GHG emissions from passenger vehicles and how these emissions are measured and calculated.

www.epa.gov

 

[fatjay]

Fisker just called me today about my new ev! The 2023 Fisker Ocean Extreme.

 

[Hay Dude]

“Incorrect”…..like that really matters.

I love it. Like anyone can’t copy & paste a refuting argument to any point of view from the internet.



”No joke”

 

[Hay Dude]

If we stopped posting about EVs, traffic on this site might take a 50% hit.

Ignore lists would be 75% less.

Agree.
I have noticed a precipitous drop in tractor purchases in the last few years.

5+ years ago there was a new tractor purchase every day.

Now it seems like a weekly thing and many of them are used tractors.

 

[DarkBlack]

Ummm, maybe defying Physics, but not defying Chemistry.

Consider one's favorite gasoline molecule, OCTANE.

C8H18

Now completely burn one molecule of Octane.

C8H18 + (12.5)O2 --> 8CO2 + 9 H2O

Ok, so ignoring the H2O produced.

The molecular weight of C8H18 is about: 8x12 (Carbon) + 18x1 (Hydrogen) = 114
The molecular weight of 8 CO2 molecules is about 8x12 (carbon) + 16x16 (oxygen) = 96 + 256 = 352

So, 352/114 = 3.09

So, yes, about 3:1 carbon dioxide weight vs octane weight.

There are other molecules in gasoline from Benzine, Toluene, and many others. But, it all ends up about the same.

Yes. The average person’s confusion that is enjoyed by combustion haters, is caused by intentionally wording the “pollution” mass, as “emitted “ by the tailpipe. This gives rise to confusion by leading people to believe the engine “produced “ 3x the mass than that of the gasoline, where in fact, the extra mass of the oxygen 02, is already in the air…it’s draw in the air cleaner and sent back out the tailpipe. The actual mass added to the air is the mass of the gasoline.

But anyway , the 2 oxygen atoms bonded to the carbon atom are the circle of life. It literally greens the planet. Do you prefer a cold icy planet?

Typical tree wood:
C6H12O6
CO2 has been used to make wood with 6 carbon atoms.

Ripping up the earth to make millions of heavy battery cars, in the vain attempt to keep 0.04% CO2 from getting to 0.044%, is not going to improve your weather. Sorry

 

[wawajake]

The globe has been on a warming trend ever since the last ICE age, the sun tends to do that. The man made C02 factor ( it doesn't lead warming it actual follows) is a diversion that is used by Governments around the world to have that Gov in power be the hero that saves it's citizens from that boogeyman. They go so far as redefining words like calling the building block of vegetation ( CO2) pollution. It is typical of mankind to think they can control the sun, whereas we would be wiser to just adapt.

 

[Eagle1]

Science only matter if it appears to support agendas... Totally ignored if it does not support the plan.

 

[riptides]

Agendas change, physical science...not so much.

 

[Eagle1]

Agendas change, physical science...not so much.

Then why are not looking at how/why climate changed repeatably before humans?
Maybe it was ancients that we do not know that polluted the globe causing the change?
Maybe we do not understand what the correct climate is, since we are calculating on very very short time span compared to age of the planet?
I still have not seen ANY science that defines what the "correct" climate we are trying to achieve is.
Do we even understand weather patterns well enough yet?

Science says that CO2 levels were way higher than now throughout time but now that it is near an all time low it's too high?
Mean temps have higher and lower than today for extended time periods but we want to select where it should be in the future?
What caused the Ice Ages and will they return?
What cause the planet to be Ice free and will it happen again?

I don't have the answers but without some of this we are chasing solutions for unknown problems. No different than tearing down a tractor that won't move without knowing if it is in neutral.

 

[riptides]

Then why are not looking at how/why climate changed repeatably before humans?
Maybe it was ancients that we do not know that polluted the globe causing the change?
Maybe we do not understand what the correct climate is, since we are calculating on very very short time span compared to age of the planet?
I still have not seen ANY science that defines what the "correct" climate we are trying to achieve is.
Do we even understand weather patterns well enough yet?

Science says that CO2 levels were way higher than now throughout time but now that it is near an all time low it's too high?
Mean temps have higher and lower than today for extended time periods but we want to select where it should be in the future?
What caused the Ice Ages and will they return?
What cause the planet to be Ice free and will it happen again?

I don't have the answers but without some of this we are chasing solutions for unknown problems. No different than tearing down a tractor that won't move without knowing if it is in neutral.

Climate change has an interpretation all its own according to a person studying or collaborating on it.

The thread is about EV's.

I'll stick to the science of battery tech and general physics of vehicle models.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

And speaking of ice ages, I find it interesting that the rising water levels are a result of melting ice only. Nothing else has been mentioned as far as I know.

That land is still rising after slowly rebounding from the ice mass, and consequently displacing water, doesn't seem to matter.

That rivers and creeks puts enormous amounts of silt into the oceans on a daily basis doesn't seem to have any official effect on the water levels, either.

Heck, every ship, sunken or in use, displaces some. And every pebble thrown into an ocean by a kid does, too. But somehow it's only "man made global warming" melting the ice that counts.

 

[Gator6x4]

Oops ------ Foreign Technology is coming in 2026-2027. I guess the small town of Julian NC needs to be building a huge fire station and hiring a minimum of 100 Police Officers to protect the new multiple billion dollar Battery Plant Toyota is building at this location to protect it from vandalism and arson attempts.

“If successful, Toyota expects its electric cars powered by solid-state batteries to have a range of 1,200km (750 miles) — more than twice the range of its current EVs — and a charging time of 10 minutes or less.”

Toyota boasts new battery technology with 745-mile range and 10-minute charging time — here’s how it may impact mass EV adoption

The potential to significantly reduce pollution could be huge.

finance.yahoo.com

China is also moving into Mexico in a big way with EV manufacturing because of the cheap labor market will allow EV's to be produced cheaply and sold cheaply.

China Building Factories In Mexico To Cash In On Biden's EV Mandates

BYD, China’s largest EV auto maker, which recently surpassed Tesla as the world’s biggest seller of electric vehicles, is reviewing potential locations for a plant in Mexico that would allow it to bring its low-cost electric vehicles into the United States. Mexico offers close proximity to U.S...

www.americanenergyalliance.org

More Foreign money pushing technology in the US that is coming in 2031.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/China-s-Gotion-to-build-EV-battery-materials-plant-in-Michigan.

China already has EV's getting 645 miles per trip before needing charging.

NIO shows off Ultra Long Range battery with 650 mile trip on single charge | Electrifying.com

Massive 150kWh battery allowed NIO ET7 to drive for 14-hours and 650 miles

www.electrifying.com

US Manufactures' of EV Batteries are going to have to step up to the plate or be left behind standing on the side of the street hollering, But---But--But no one told me.

https://www.thomasnet.com/articles/top-suppliers/ev-battery-manufacturers-companies/

 

[Gator6x4]

And speaking of ice ages, I find it interesting that the rising water levels are a result of melting ice only. Nothing else has been mentioned as far as I know.

That land is still rising after slowly rebounding from the ice mass, and consequently displacing water, doesn't seem to matter.

That rivers and creeks puts enormous amounts of silt into the oceans on a daily basis doesn't seem to have any official effect on the water levels, either.

Heck, every ship, sunken or in use, displaces some. And every pebble thrown into an ocean by a kid does, too. But somehow it's only "man made global warming" melting the ice that counts.

"How many billion dollar weather and climate disasters?


Adding the 2023 events to the record that began in 1980, the U.S. has sustained 376 weather and climate disasters with the overall damage costs reaching or exceeding $1 billion. The cumulative cost for these 376 events exceeds $2.660 trillion.Jan 8, 2024"

 

[shooterdon]

All this climate change crap started when some freaking cave man discovered cooking meat over a fire made it taste so much more yummy. It has been downhill ever since.

But we will be saved. Gas stoves will be outlawed and you need less energy to cook bugs.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

That NIO battery may be much better than what's available now, but...

If it's 650 miles in 14 hours, that means an average of a measly 46.5 mph. Most of my road going vehicles are at a 62 mph or better average speed.

In other words, I'd probably get a 400 mile range out of it, at best. Not even counting elevation changes.

 

[wawajake]

"How many billion dollar weather and climate disasters?


Adding the 2023 events to the record that began in 1980, the U.S. has sustained 376 weather and climate disasters with the overall damage costs reaching or exceeding $1 billion. The cumulative cost for these 376 events exceeds $2.660 trillion.Jan 8, 2024"

So how many so called "climate disasters" occurred 1000 years ago, 2000 years ago ? What are we comparing to ? For it to have any meaning maybe it should be compared to when C02 levels were same or higher 1000s of years ago. Thats like TV forecaster stating this is the warmest winter in 176 years.....so what happened 177 years ago ? Our time frames are far too short, but climate zealots requires us to only focus on the last century to meet their narrative of more carbon taxes needed and we must help 3rd world countries skip the fossil fuel stage and starve instead. And we must destroy our economy ( and give it to China) despite our fossil fuels use being almost perfected in ICE and having many decades left. Yes we can adapt, let new fuel sources including batteries stand on their own two feet without mandates and without blackmailing ICE and its fuels. Adapt if still warming, build infrastructure to protect shorelines, instead of wasting it on battery plants and huge charging infrastructure needs. Heck Holland is 3 or 4 feet below sea level but since 2nd world war continues to claim even more land with dike engineered tech. Maybe New Orleans and other supposed future risky ocean front cities should consider adapting. Farming adapt, longer summer climates means more vegetation and trees in places like my Canada, more trees to convert C02 if you like.