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   / An EV??????` #61  
Fuel taxes have been a relatively fair way to fund road maintenance. Heavier vehicles cause more damage and use more fuel. a person that drive 8k miles a year pays less than someone driving 25k. A fair tax for EVs is needed as they should fund the roads, but what is fair?

Is charging an EV user who puts on 8k a year $200 fair if another EV user who does 25k miles pays the same?

I do not see weight as an equitable way. Does a 3500 lb vehicle that is used for 25k miles do 1/2 the damage of a 7000 lb vehicle used for 8k mikes?

PA road taxes to fix roads and pay the Pennsylvania State Police comes from taxes on gas.
EV owners are not contributing.
 
   / An EV??????` #63  
I hear what everyone is saying but what gets me in a city of huge deficits with city streets on 120 year paving schedules is the closing of entire traffic Lanes on city streets because they are now reserved for bikes and in my many years not once have I ever seen a single bike.

They must also have a huge paint budget to paint all the bike lanes?

Just how much tax of any kind do bike operators pay to use bike lanes?

We no longer even license them.
 
   / An EV??????` #64  
This is funny. The company I work for provides our vehicles and they offered the Tesla Model 3 up for us this past year, since I was due for a new car I went and test drove one and they are really cool cars so I decided to order one, until the fleet company called me and listed all the requirements and suggestions for owning an EV. For one I dont have the 250 amp service to my house required by my fleet company for charging, then they also suggested I do not park it in my garage due to risk of fire. Couple that with the range considerations I wisely chose to go another route with a Honda CRV Hybrid and man am I glad I did. Today for example, I put 500+ miles on my CRV and didn't have to stop for gas once. Had I had the Tesla I would have had to find a supercharger somewhere in the middle of the no-where I was today (which dont exist) just to get home. I know the fire thing comes up a lot, and of course ICE vehicles catch fire more than EV's but Id wager that is simply because there are many many times more ICE cars on the road the EV. Ive seen an EV fire, its no joke and the fire crew could not put it out, they had to block off a sizable radius around the car which included shutting down the highway for hours to let the thing burn out. Then the highway was damaged so badly that it was only one lane for weeks. That's enough for me, I know they are great for those that can use them within their limits but for me it will be a long time before they can do what I need them to do.
 
   / An EV??????` #65  
There has been talk of inplementing a mileage fee. One suggestion is to put a GPS in every vehicle.
My insurance company wanted to put a GPS in my truck to prove I was no longer driving to Dallas for work and was really working from home. I said no thanks. My miles driving now are half what thy were when I had to be in the office. Many people that don't live right around the corner from work or grocery stores will not be able to afford to pay a per mile tax or fee. The wealthy won't care. It's just like all those single toll lanes to bypass traffic they build that most of us can't afford to pay for. If they do start charging me by the mile, the roads out here that they neglect better get fixed. I'd bet they won't fix any of the roads, but we will pay more.
 
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   / An EV??????` #68  
This is funny. The company I work for provides our vehicles and they offered the Tesla Model 3 up for us this past year, since I was due for a new car I went and test drove one and they are really cool cars so I decided to order one, until the fleet company called me and listed all the requirements and suggestions for owning an EV. For one I dont have the 250 amp service to my house required by my fleet company for charging, then they also suggested I do not park it in my garage due to risk of fire. Couple that with the range considerations I wisely chose to go another route with a Honda CRV Hybrid and man am I glad I did. Today for example, I put 500+ miles on my CRV and didn't have to stop for gas once. Had I had the Tesla I would have had to find a supercharger somewhere in the middle of the no-where I was today (which dont exist) just to get home. I know the fire thing comes up a lot, and of course ICE vehicles catch fire more than EV's but Id wager that is simply because there are many many times more ICE cars on the road the EV. Ive seen an EV fire, its no joke and the fire crew could not put it out, they had to block off a sizable radius around the car which included shutting down the highway for hours to let the thing burn out. Then the highway was damaged so badly that it was only one lane for weeks. That's enough for me, I know they are great for those that can use them within their limits but for me it will be a long time before they can do what I need them to do.

Both of those concerns are non-issues. I installed a 240 volt charger for my Tesla Y for about $600 including the charger at my house. The fire risk is completely overblown. I'm suspecting the fire issue is because of bad wiring and poor installation.
 
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Did you guys see the Pothole Pete interview? I will not comment as there are too many people on this forum who report anything political that does not fit their beliefs. Draw your own conclusions.
 
   / An EV??????` #71  
Both of those concerns are non-issues. I installed a 240 volt charger for my Tesla Y for about $600 including the charger at my house. The fire risk is completely overblown. I'm suspecting the fire issue is because of bad wiring and poor installation.
They are not non issues considering the fleet company was to install the charging station and had that requirement. It was mandatory. As for the fire hazard, its obviously a consideration seeing how a huge fleet management company that deals with thousands of vehicles a year has recommended not parking an EV inside due to fire risk based off of their data.
 
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   / An EV??????` #74  
Of course, if you want to bash the flammability of gas powered car, one word will do it: PINTO!
As I recall it was determined that the car in question had no gas cap on it...the driver had used self-serve gas before the incident and had forgotten to put it back on. Also, the location of the gas tank in Pintos wasn't any different than anyone else's subcompact car of the era, it just happened to be Ford that got sued over it. Not sure I'd want to be in a front end collision in a VW of that era either.

Anyone remember the tv news show on the so-called exploding gas tanks on GM pickups where it was determined that the whole thing was staged?
 
   / An EV??????` #75  
Not sure how that would work with the collector cars and they might be exempt?

My 1905 Oldsmobile has 20 miles over 5 years… no odometer or speedometer or electrical system so maybe exempt?
Gonna go out on a limb here, but I'd say you could probably count the number of 120 year old cars still on the road with the fingers of one hand. Even fewer that are driven more than 50 or 100 miles a year. Not even a drop in the proverbial bucket.
 
   / An EV??????` #76  
As I recall it was determined that the car in question had no gas cap on it...the driver had used self-serve gas before the incident and had forgotten to put it back on. Also, the location of the gas tank in Pintos wasn't any different than anyone else's subcompact car of the era, it just happened to be Ford that got sued over it. Not sure I'd want to be in a front end collision in a VW of that era either.

Anyone remember the tv news show on the so-called exploding gas tanks on GM pickups where it was determined that the whole thing was staged?
I had a 77 Chevy and hit a piece of metal driving across a parking lot. The metal piece flipped up and punctured my plastic gas tank. There was gas everywhere. We pushed the truck far away from the gas and parked it. Just about anything can have a gas tank puncture. Too bad I didn't have skid plates.
 
   / An EV??????` #77  
As I recall it was determined that the car in question had no gas cap on it...the driver had used self-serve gas before the incident and had forgotten to put it back on. Also, the location of the gas tank in Pintos wasn't any different than anyone else's subcompact car of the era, it just happened to be Ford that got sued over it. Not sure I'd want to be in a front end collision in a VW of that era either.

Anyone remember the tv news show on the so-called exploding gas tanks on GM pickups where it was determined that the whole thing was staged?
I had an AMC Hornet with the gas filler behind the license plate in the middle rear. It was quite convenient as one could pull up to a pump on either side and fill it up.

However, the safety issues/experiences from the 60's to 80's have led to big changes today, mostly for the better, although everyone likes to complain.

The old pickups, of course, had the gas tank behind the seat. Perhaps not so bad, but any leak puts gas in the passenger compartment.

The Land Rover I just got has the gas tank under the passenger seat. I have a feeling it would be under the driver's seat in the UK. No filler neck, so one must raise the seat, open the door, and the hose goes right into the passenger compartment (as well as any spills).

My old Fiat 500 had a "Frunk" with the tank just in front of the cowl. No filler neck, so one opened the trunk, and filled it up. Top it off because there is a difference between a 4 gallon or a 5 gallon fill.

Of course cowl tanks were common on old Model T and other cars, as well as on tractors.

You mentioned missing gas cap. The little plastic gas cap wire is nice. No more lost caps. And, remember to close the cover.
 
   / An EV??????` #78  
I used to pump gas into a pickup where he had to raise the dump body to get to the filler. With no prop rod, that went against everything I've been taught. Another was a Fiat... he raised the hood and the tank was over the engine. No different than a motorcycle really, but it still didn't seem right.
 
   / An EV??????` #79  
I had an AMC Hornet with the gas filler behind the license plate in the middle rear. It was quite convenient as one could pull up to a pump on either side and fill it up.
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You mentioned missing gas cap. The little plastic gas cap wire is nice. No more lost caps. And, remember to close the cover.
I do wish manufacturers would standardize which side they put the filler cap. Would make for fewer traffic jams at gas stations.

Do any modern vehicles still have separate gas caps? My '19 GMC doesn't, there's a rubber seal on the filler neck, and another rubber ring on the cover door.
 
   / An EV??????` #80  
I do wish manufacturers would standardize which side they put the filler cap. Would make for fewer traffic jams at gas stations.
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Why would it with everyone waiting to fill up on the same side.
 
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