Amazon v/s Walmart

/ Amazon v/s Walmart #21  
And when you have as many Walmarts in the area as we do, things are in different places in different stores.:laughing: And different stores stock different merchandise, too. Not all the Walmarts have the same things.
Lowes is the that way around here, I have one 15 mins away and one 20 mins away. The layouts are completely different.

Aaron Z
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #22  
I read the same article.

Like it or not, that is the new reality about low-skilled jobs these days. No one held a gun to the head of any of the workers and forced them to work there.

I think every high school in the country ought to have all students read that article at least once per year.

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We have Amazon Prime. I think it is $75 per year for free 2-day shipping, which makes getting most things reasonably fast.

I like Amazon because I can find things easily which are hard-to-find locally in a small town, and the prices are good. I have never had a problem with returns, which are mostly items broken in transit.

I bought a Kindle 15 months ago because it would save me a bunch of money buying the online version of the WSJ vs the paper version. I did this knowing I would be a pioneer because the Kindle Fire was new and the WSJ app was even newer. I try to avoid being a Tech Pioneer because, just like in the days of wagon trains, pioneers tend to collect arrows the hard way. Well, I collected some arrows because of the WSJ app. I ended up talking on the phone for over an hour with an Amazon employee in WA on a Friday or Saturday evening. I do lead an exciting life. :laughing::laughing::laughing: It was one of the best, if not the best customer service calls I have ever had. The problem, as I suspected, was not with the Kindle but with the WSJ app. Amazon ended up comping me my Amazon Prime membership because of the WSJ problem! :confused3::D Eventually, the WSJ application was fixed and all was well. What the Kindle Fire cost me has been saved in one year of buying the WSJ online version vs the physical paper.

I spent enough time on the phone with the support guy I asked him how he liked Amazon. He loved it. Treated him well, pay was good, no quotas on how many calls he had to answer, etc. Now he is a professional compared to a part puller so things might be different. OTH, I have heard that UPS and FedEx can work you hard but you can make decent money if you can handle the work. Jobs can be stressful regardless of education level. I think my jobs are FAR more stressful than any part puller...

We buy most of our stuff from Amazon now because their prices are good, they have it in STOCK, we can get it shipped in two days, and it costs us nothing to shop. For us to go to a Walmart or Target is close to an hour round trip which is expensive in time and money. We can order on Amazon and be done in minutes. I spent close to a month trying to find funnels for canning. :confused3: Tried the local grocery store, two local dollar stores, drug store and finally Target. Nada. Looked on Amazon and they had exactly what I needed, in a product that was far better than anything I would ever find locally, and I had it in two days.

I still compare prices. If I compare between Amazon and two other companies, they are almost always the same price. One might beat the price of the other company but it is usually a small difference.

We buy Amazon Prime because it saves us money with shipping. $70-80 for second day shipping for a year is CHEAP. We also stream video from Amazon Prime which makes it that much more useful. Use an Amazon card for your orders and you can save even more money.

Later,
Dan
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #23  
I read an article last summer about working at those large distribution centers. I don't remember if Amazon was explicitly named, but that is who I pictured while reading it.

The author of the article went to work at one of these places to get an inside perspective. The employees were all through temp agencies, low pay, no benefits, very rigid about sick days, lunch and bathroom breaks, etc. And according to the author, you could work like a dog and hardly ever meet the quota for items picked per shift.

Anybody ever work at an Amazon distribution center, or know somebody who did? We don't have any around here.

Ingram Content Group based in Tennessee is a Amazon shipper for books out of four locations. One of those is in Oregon. I worked there thirteen years. When I started the Oregon distribution center had six-hundred fifty associates. Now they have about one-hundred fifty. The reductions is in large part because of the e-readers and Amazon's own distribution centers doing their own book distribution. In my own experience and contact with other distribution centers they are man-killers. High production requiremnents and long hours. Never knowing when you are getting off work or beginning the workday the next day. The start time could be 7:00 AM one day and 9:00 AM the next or any time chosen by management. Any reason used to fire a person. Usually the people that were there the longest would be the target. The worst day was reporting to work and having a supervisor standing in the hallway and waving their finger at you to left or right. A wave to the left meant work, wave to the right meant meeting room and termination. One-hundred and forty people terminated in one day. It hasn't changed and I have been out of the place for two years.
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #25  
IMO Amazon is in a league of its own. Prices, delivery speed, and customer service are second to none. We are Prime members and spend thousands there every year. Wifey recently got a Kindle Fire and loves it! Walmart has been making an effort to improve their online experience but sales tax plus shipping plus slower delivery puts them at a disadvantage. We only buy from Walmart if Amazon does offer item (which is rare). Never used their ship-to-store service since nearest store is 90 minute round trip.
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #26  
Ingram Content Group based in Tennessee is a Amazon shipper for books out of four locations. One of those is in Oregon. I worked there thirteen years. When I started the Oregon distribution center had six-hundred fifty associates. Now they have about one-hundred fifty. The reductions is in large part because of the e-readers and Amazon's own distribution centers doing their own book distribution. In my own experience and contact with other distribution centers they are man-killers. High production requiremnents and long hours. Never knowing when you are getting off work or beginning the workday the next day. The start time could be 7:00 AM one day and 9:00 AM the next or any time chosen by management. Any reason used to fire a person. Usually the people that were there the longest would be the target. The worst day was reporting to work and having a supervisor standing in the hallway and waving their finger at you to left or right. A wave to the left meant work, wave to the right meant meeting room and termination. One-hundred and forty people terminated in one day. It hasn't changed and I have been out of the place for two years.

Thanks for that info. I guess the article author wasn't BS-ing. The focus of the article was that there is an ugly side to your Amazon-type shopping experience that most are not aware of.
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #28  
Never knowing when you are getting off work or beginning the workday the next day. The start time could be 7:00 AM one day and 9:00 AM the next or any time chosen by management.

Some of the other things you talked about may be much worse, but this not knowing when you're going to work or going to get off isn't exactly new. I went to work as a clerk in the Dallas Post Office in March, 1959. In those days, new clerks (and mail carriers) were known as "Subs"; i.e., substitutes. When we got off work, we checked a bulletin board to see what time to come to work tomorrow. It could be any time, but usually was between 1 p.m. and 5 p.m. And you got off work when the supervisor told you to go home. You were guaranteed 2 hours and couldn't be required to stay more than 12, so you got off work sometime in there.:laughing:

But as with most jobs, much depended on the employee. A lot of subs complained that they weren't getting enough hours to make a living; some even quit for that reason. But all of us newer clerks started our day on the 3rd floor, running cancelling machines and doing the initial sorting of mail that had been mailed all over town that day. But through a little observation and just a few questions, I learned that when told to go home, some of the guys would go to the second floor where outgoing parcel post was sorted, and ask a supervisor if he needed more help. If not, then go to the 4th floor where they were sorting incoming mail and ask a supervisor there if he needed more help.

Those of us who did a decent job soon found those supervisors coming to the 3rd floor before we got off there to ask us to come help them when we were told to go home. It soon got to be a standing joke for 5 of us to ask if we could go home as soon as we got to work.:laughing: So I only averaged 48 hours a week; and almost never less than 40.
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #29  
I find the descriptions of distribution and shipping jobs sound very familiar. Those are the exact environments I saw in the late '60s on the assembly line at Texas Instruments. My wife worked there for about a year putting the labels on transistors. She sat in front of a noisy machine all night, either setting up the label or feeding transistors into the machine. There were strict breaks, lunch times, and just tedious work where you were evaluated almost entirely on the quantity of work. I've never been in an electrical assembly environment that changed all that much from the TI model. When I worked building F-16s in the '90s, the harness fabrication and electronics assembly jobs were still very tedious and dull with demanding hours and limited freedoms. There were more machines doing automated testing and even stuffing boards with components, but anywhere there were manual jobs, the environment was restrictive and demanding. I don't know for sure, but my guess is if you are on the assembly line at GM or Ford, you'll also have to stay right there on the job and meet quotas.

My youngest daughter works in the distribution center for GameStop, the video game retailer. The work is cold in winter and hot in the summer with a steady stream of trucks coming and going constantly. That's just the nature of a distribution center. I suspect UPS, FedEx, and other shippers are under similar stresses. It just goes with the territory. Frankly, the only job I ever had that I never worried about losing or being part of a layoff was the US Navy. :)
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #30  
I find the descriptions of distribution and shipping jobs sound very familiar. Those are the exact environments I saw in the late '60s on the assembly line at Texas Instruments. My wife worked there for about a year putting the labels on transistors. She sat in front of a noisy machine all night, either setting up the label or feeding transistors into the machine. There were strict breaks, lunch times, and just tedious work where you were evaluated almost entirely on the quantity of work. I've never been in an electrical assembly environment that changed all that much from the TI model. When I worked building F-16s in the '90s, the harness fabrication and electronics assembly jobs were still very tedious and dull with demanding hours and limited freedoms. There were more machines doing automated testing and even stuffing boards with components, but anywhere there were manual jobs, the environment was restrictive and demanding. I don't know for sure, but my guess is if you are on the assembly line at GM or Ford, you'll also have to stay right there on the job and meet quotas.

My youngest daughter works in the distribution center for GameStop, the video game retailer. The work is cold in winter and hot in the summer with a steady stream of trucks coming and going constantly. That's just the nature of a distribution center. I suspect UPS, FedEx, and other shippers are under similar stresses. It just goes with the territory. Frankly, the only job I ever had that I never worried about losing or being part of a layoff was the US Navy. :)

On the assembly line in a auto plant, you don't see any fat folks. In assembly, most of the folks retire after 30 years, it's hard work, especially as you get older. And it is highly regimented, as the song goes, " The foreman didn't waste words". As far as being worried about losing my job, yeah, 35 years in the tool & die biz, it was always there. I know of one guy who closed 9 GM plants. Each closing meant a layoff, sometimes for periods long enough to break senority. And usually moving somewhere. And starting over again in senority, for shift purposes. I'd have changed careers, but he hung in there.
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #31  
Another vote for amazon prime.

We live in a small town that has lost most of the retail. The nearest Wallmart is an hours drive.

Prime pays for itself in shipping many times over.
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #32  
I shop Amazon to find what I want, read the reviews, then see if I can buy the same item off eBay. If Amazon is the best deal, then I buy it there.

I tend to bunch my orders, so I haven't found the Prime option worth the money. I did get Prime free for a month one December and it was great for Christmas shopping.
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #33  
Some of the other things you talked about may be much worse, but this not knowing when you're going to work or going to get off isn't exactly new. I went to work as a clerk in the Dallas Post Office in March, 1959. In those days, new clerks (and mail carriers) were known as "Subs"; i.e., substitutes. When we got off work, we checked a bulletin board to see what time to come to work tomorrow. It could be any time, but usually was between 1 p.m. and 5 p.m. And you got off work when the supervisor told you to go home. You were guaranteed 2 hours and couldn't be required to stay more than 12, so you got off work sometime in there.:laughing:

But as with most jobs, much depended on the employee. A lot of subs complained that they weren't getting enough hours to make a living; some even quit for that reason. But all of us newer clerks started our day on the 3rd floor, running cancelling machines and doing the initial sorting of mail that had been mailed all over town that day. But through a little observation and just a few questions, I learned that when told to go home, some of the guys would go to the second floor where outgoing parcel post was sorted, and ask a supervisor if he needed more help. If not, then go to the 4th floor where they were sorting incoming mail and ask a supervisor there if he needed more help.

Those of us who did a decent job soon found those supervisors coming to the 3rd floor before we got off there to ask us to come help them when we were told to go home. It soon got to be a standing joke for 5 of us to ask if we could go home as soon as we got to work.:laughing: So I only averaged 48 hours a week; and almost never less than 40.

When I first started out in the auto plants, it was common to move around after 8 hours. I worked in one plant, I built new fixtures for 8 hours, then worked fixture repair for whatever I could stand. That could be pretty intense, since they needed everything done right NOW! My personal best was 22 hours, getting a gage working. I didn't come into work the next day, so it didn't help the old paycheck much!!
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #34  
We had so much work in the electronics industry back in the early 80's we were doing 60 or more hours a week usually 10-12hr days M-F and Saturdays too. At one point all it seemed was that I was living to work and had several uncashed paychecks in my pocket at any given time. There was just no time to do anything. The reg schedule was 15 min break 9 am, 20 min paid lunch noon, a 15 min break at 2pm and if you stayed on to 7pm the company fought with the union over having another meal break at 5:30pm. The company view was you were going to leave in 90 min after that but some labor law stated you couldnt go 6 straight hours without a meal break so it was a point of contention. Burn out came quick and when employees started refusing OT and requested additonal staffing instead it quickly become what was called forced overtime thru contractural union negotiations and everyone had to participate if the job required it.

You know what my new agricultural career isnt much different these days either :D
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #35  
Yes I did, Ever try to return something? I had to pay shipping and I still don't have credit for it after 3 weeks. I'm done with that scam
This was a response to a reply about Yesterdays Tractor parts
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #36  
After a bad experience with eBay/PayPal I swore I'd never use eBay again, that was until I found something I simply couldn't resist. However, I chose the "checkout as guest" option and used my credit card so I'd be covered if there were any problems. I also ensured that the seller had good feedback, etc...

I have had all good experiences with E-bay and never an issue with Pay Pal...
I typically do not buy stuff from Amazon...
I do buy some stuff from Wal mart...
My best buys concerning equipment have come from Craigs List...
Just have to be patient...
I am now looking at the state surplus site here in NC...
The problem with that is that it is sealed bid and stuff typically goes higher than I am willing to spend...
Logistics play a role also...
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #37  
In the context of this thread of Walmart vs Amazon, if the comparison goes beyond price and service, it is likely that the average Walmart store employee is treated much better than the average order picker at Amazon. Though I know the Walmart distribution warehouses that feed the stores run a very tight ship too.

I imagine most of us have done hard work, repetitive work and demanding work at some point in our lives. That can range from turning out a couple thousand lines of programming that actually works and works quickly under a deadline, to getting a rush mold job done at a Tool & Die shop, or working on an assembly line.

Work is work, and the trains have to run on time, but I think respecting people matters too. By default, consumers become the ultimate judge of that quality.
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #38  
I buy from Amazon and Wal-Mart mostly because I need to watch my dollars as much as possible but I have mixed feelings about both.

I can ignore the "Walmartians" who look like they eat their young no problem. What I do not like is Wal-Marts practice of jamming the aisles up so much it is hard to get around and could be dangerous in an emergency. Then there is the "China" connection but then one could say that NAFTA opened that flood gate.

My issue with Amazon is not so much the avantage warehouses have over brick and mortar stores because that is changing. My issue is how they treat people. Yes, it is true that people have a choice or do they? Anyone living around an Amazon distribution center may have noticed the ads from their staffing agency during peak times.

Amazon has a warehouse in Foglesville, PA which is basically Allentown or the Lehigh Valley area which is covered by the Morning Call newspaper. Seems the paper may be on a which hunt or perhaps the truth but they ran an expose' on working conditions at that Amazon location. Another article followed up on arbitration meetings over firings vs. collecting unemployment. Not very flattering to say the least.
 
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#39  
Then there is the "China" connection but then one could say that NAFTA opened that flood gate.

One of these days, businesses will finally wake up and realize that Americans can't afford to but their China-made crap if they don't have jobs. Then again, I can't blame businesses for wanting to find cheaper labor, due to Unions, etc... The entire "system" is a disaster in the making.
 
/ Amazon v/s Walmart #40  
One of these days, businesses will finally wake up and realize that Americans can't afford to but their China-made crap if they don't have jobs. Then again, I can't blame businesses for wanting to find cheaper labor, due to Unions, etc... The entire "system" is a disaster in the making.
It is us the consumers that buy at the lowest price. Business is just giving us what we want.
 

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