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PhilNH5 · Jul 27, 2005

( It really would be nice if the moderators would notify the members before, during or after the fact when they are going to change posts. )

Twice in my tenure here I had posts deleted. I received a pleasant PM from the moderator explaining why. Once it was due to a potentially incendiary topic and once was a simple error on my part. Both times I appreciated the heads up and thanked the moderator.
Phil

ronjhall · Jul 27, 2005

I saw that thread. But it did not get me going like someone feeling that they have the right to add to data that is spread around the Internet just because someone else does. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
I saw the icon before thread was posted. But sat back figuring that someone else would say something. I should have hit the moderator button when first noticed. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
I thought about posting a reply to the thread sending the offending poster to this thread. But figured it would do no good. But that people reading this thread would care.

ronjhall · Jul 27, 2005

I have been here many year and have posted a few times. One post has been deleted and like you the moderator was very cordial in the PM. I have to agree that the cartoon posted, while funny. Did not meet the family standards for TBN.

MessickFarmEqu · Jul 27, 2005

I'll throw in my two cents here. In the last 2-3 months there have been several posts that I have taken the time to write, but not posted because of concern about backlash from "fan boys". Particular individuals view anything that I write as being from the devil himself. I have a bias, but I don't hide that and I like to think that I make pretty objective points. I think you have a problem when some of your most educated posters are wary about partisipating.

As for PM's, if it where up to me I'd say just disable them all together. Than those who feel that they need to make scathing remarks have to do it in a forum where they can be held accountable for what they say.

TonyV · Jul 27, 2005

This may be considered a bit drastic, but in another forum that I belong to similar things were happening. The offending PM's were cut and pasted into the forum by the receiving party. Of course the sender of the PM was upset to say the least that he'd been 'exposed'....but guess what....the PM's stopped....what a suprise. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

...Tony

RobS · Jul 27, 2005

The offending PM's were cut and pasted into the forum by the receiving party. 

A guaranteed way to get moderated! Better to send any offending PMs to Muhammad or any of the moderators via PM.

Praise in public, reprimand in private /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Bob_Skurka · Jul 27, 2005

( The offending PM's were cut and pasted into the forum by the receiving party. 

A guaranteed way to get moderated! Better to send any offending PMs to Muhammad or any of the moderators via PM.

Praise in public, reprimand in private /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif )

Maybe some people need a public stoning?

Maybe some people can spew venom one day and play nice the next? And then pretend to play nice again and think all is forgiven? And at the same time, maybe that guy can stir up trouble against yet another member by sending information to someone that that member had some problems with?

I am reminded of the story about the scorpian and the frog at the side of the stream. The scorpian want to get to the other side, so he asks the frog for a ride. The frog says that the scorpian will sting him and kill him, but the scorpian says no, if he does that then he will drown too. So the frog relents and gives the scorpian a ride and 1/2 way across the stream the frog feels a sting on his back. He says to the scorpian "why did you do that, surely we will both die now?" and the scorpian says, "because I am a scorpian, it is what I do."

RedRocker · Jul 27, 2005

( I'll throw in my two cents here. In the last 2-3 months there have been several posts that I have taken the time to write, but not posted because of concern about backlash from "fan boys". Particular individuals view anything that I write as being from the devil himself. I have a bias, but I don't hide that and I like to think that I make pretty objective points. I think you have a problem when some of your most educated posters are wary about partisipating. )

Everybody is biased, not a thing wrong with it. I appreciate information on all brands and sure don't mind constructive criticism of my brand either. Let the whiners whine, I'm interested in what you have to say. Seems like I remember something about "unprotected" hydraulic lines getting somebody's BP up, well, on a CK 30 it's true, not a thing wrong with pointing that out, so an owner can watch out or add protection if needed.

MicroPilot · Jul 27, 2005

I believe my Century's FEL Hydro lines are unprotected too. I didn't see a problem with calling them that either.

RobS · Jul 27, 2005

Maybe some people need a public stoning 

Not on TBN /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Farwell · Jul 27, 2005

John,
This same type of thing happened to the CB radio groups around the country. It was totally destroyed for everyone by a few. I sure hope that this does not happen to TBN, it is such a valuable resource.
Farwell

Indydirtfarmer · Jul 27, 2005

( John,
This same type of thing happened to the CB radio groups around the country. It was totally destroyed for everyone by a few. I sure hope that this does not happen to TBN, it is such a valuable resource.
Farwell )

I "found" this site about 6 months back. It is without doubt, the kindest, most diplomatic, best run site on the internet for my money.

I stumbled on to this site when there was a flair-up on the board I was posting on exclusively. It was the result of bad karma left over from the presidential elections. ('nuther topic.... DON'T DISCUSS POLITICS) It WAS a nice, friendly place. Then left wing vs. right wing idealism took a grip. People took sides. When the election bickering died, the animosity between former friends stayed on. End result...? A perfectly good message board is now but a shadow of what once was...

I don't know if there is an answer for what we're now discussing. Short of choosing up sides, seperating, and all "teams" taking a particular forum, and leaving the other "opinion group" to THEIR forum, there won't be a resolution to this issue. And the farther we go, the more bad blood is let.

At some point, we have to check our testosterone at the door, quit trying to "win" this arguement, and agree that some of us disagree. Then just let it go....

Assess the damage.... Look at the colateral damage..... Is it worth destroying the heart and soul of this site, just to settle one issue?

Like most of you guys, I've been on several other sites over the years. I've watched a few really good ones climb the ladder, then swan dive into oblivion. Don't let our differences send this one over the edge.

In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along"?

hobbyfarm · Jul 27, 2005

( Praise in public, reprimand in private )

That makes lots of sense to me.

Maybe it should be one of THE rules!

rockyridgefarm · Jul 27, 2005

I have a bias, but I don't hide that and I like to think that I make pretty objective points. 

No problem there... As for objectivity, sometimes it a little blurry, but you are allowed that! You certainly have helped you share of folks here!

Cityboyfarmer · Jul 27, 2005

Can someone link to a thread that is/was a serious flamer? I'm trying real hard to find stuff to be offended about but I just can't find anything that torques me. Is it primarily PM's that are causing the stink?

Help! Somebody please offend me! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

johnday · Jul 27, 2005

.....Agree that some of us disagree.

Indy; Great post! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif That's the adult way to do things, and a very good way, by the way. There is no value shared when threats are PMed, and downright nastyness surfaces on the site, veiled or otherwise. I deal with the "agree to disagree" process daily in my job. Yes, in years past we actually would be screaming and calling each other names. Didn't solve a thing and only drove wedges into a widening crack. I've found that giving each other thier due respect and staying calm, and not being ultrasensitive, alot more can be accomplished to the benefit of both sides.

I think we should keep the forums that offer the potential for flame wars. Does it really make one little hill of beans what colour tractor anyone rides? I can understand a little bias for your favorite brand, but really, it should make no difference. It is fun to poke at each other, I do it all the time, but I always try to add a little humour with it, and only do it to guys I'm comfortable with.

The golden, platinum, whatever rule on those lines, should be practiced in ALL posts. Most of us are mature adults, and a very small minority are merely adults. Hopefully someday they too will mature and realize what really matters. I'll tell you guys, I've learned alot on this site, and hopefully helped some others myself. I've mentioned it before and will again, that's what this place is about, and if someone can't practice or understand that, I wish they'd leave, and try to ruin someone elses website.

This thread has exceeded all expectations I had for it. The participation has simply been outstanding, I was beginning to wonder how many paid attention to the posts I've made, it seems more do than I thought. I'm not typing this hoping for a close to the thread, no way, just thought I owed a couple of replies, it's been pretty busy the last few days.

Let's keep this place going, you don't have to reply to the jerkwaters, and if your PMed with a nasty gram, I think a quick flick with the left button to a moderator would be in order. Muhammad, does that sound reasonable? And then threaten them with bannishment from the forum.

Just my point oh 2 worth. Thanks /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

shoppintractors · Jul 27, 2005

Hey John,

I agree....some very good well thought out posts. I'll wish for smoother sailing ahead for all.

I try to get down to Monroe about once a month. Maybe we can join up for coffee and trade war stories. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif ....and a face to face smile. I'd like to see more pictures of your property and projects you've got going up North.

Talk to you soon,

Don

Indydirtfarmer · Jul 28, 2005

(

I don't know if there is an answer for what we're now discussing. Short of choosing up sides, seperating, and all "teams" taking a particular forum, and leaving the other "opinion group" to THEIR forum, there won't be a resolution to this issue. )

That is part of my last post....

I guess I should have been clearer with my meaning, as I have recieved quite a number of PM's on what exactly I had in mind. (NONE of them were in any way hostile messages)

My thoughts were merely rhetorical. I have no real thoughts of "dividing" groups that don't share common opinions. I SHOULD have said that was an un-acceptable option to avoid bickering....

Just an observation on this current topic....

It seems to me that everyone is on their best behavior right now. No one wants to be "THE EXAMPLE". MAYBE that is the solution... Just keep this thread alive for all eternity......

dummy · Jul 28, 2005

My gripe stems from here projects And here is my reply to both...
If nothing else, two terms come to mind...consideration and customer service. You chose to edit the content of MY posts, yet, there are other posts on TBN with inline images. Since I did not violate the terms of service or the forum rules, and others are allowed to do this, maybe a PM would have helped me understand your actions a little better.
Deleting and /or editing may be a right of TBN and it's moderators, but it should be across the board. There have been other things stripped from the site that only a very few found to be wrong, but they are gone. The thread on disinternments comes vividly to mind.

A few more good words from indydirtfarmer's post Like most of you guys, I've been on several other sites over the years. I've watched a few really good ones climb the ladder, then swan dive into oblivion. Don't let our differences send this one over the edge.

LMTC · Jul 28, 2005

What I'm reading from your post here sounds like "all or nothing", and while that may be a good goal, most human activity does not meet it. That same principle applied to law enforcement would dictate that if we can't apprehend all criminals, we should apprehend none...and I am not equating inline pictures with criminal acts, just trying to demonstrate why all or none is not viable.

If I have misread or misunderstood what you are saying, please clarify for me and disregard this. Thanks.