Alberta Solar

   / Alberta Solar #33  
Given that you are raking in 80.2 cents , your judgement maybe biased towards solar.
We are still stuck with excess production from subsidized solar , wind and NG. Which is driving the wholesale rate for nuclear and hydro electric to zero. And costing the rate payer fees to dump the extra in NY and Michigan.
Would it not be better to increase the wholesale price by the billion plus paid in 2014 and give that billion to Ontario producers . Instead of giving the electricity away for free and paying the billion in fees to US utilities ?

Solar is less than 1% of the grid. Wind less than 9%. It is almost inconsequential in it's effect on the market.

The reason we have a surplus is because Ontario's manufacturing sector is not consuming it.... Hopefully that will change.
 
   / Alberta Solar #34  
We have producers that are guarantied to make $$$ if they run. Infact some still make $$$ after being dispatched off.
Don't forget that the new NG turbines are also paid 16.5 cents to run . Sygration and IESO both show during times when wholesale rate is zero. Wind , native contract hydro electric , NG and wind are still generating and being paid a guarentied profit.
How would you like your neighbour to be paid $9.00 a bushel for all the corn he can grow . You are only paid market rate.
 
   / Alberta Solar #35  
We have producers that are guarantied to make $$$ if they run. Infact some still make $$$ after being dispatched off.
Don't forget that the new NG turbines are also paid 16.5 cents to run . Sygration and IESO both show during times when wholesale rate is zero. Wind , native contract hydro electric , NG and wind are still generating and being paid a guarentied profit.
How would you like your neighbour to be paid $9.00 a bushel for all the corn he can grow . You are only paid market rate.

And we have nuclear plants that are given 50 year no interest loans, grants and debt forgiveness when they overspend.

What's your answer.
 
   / Alberta Solar #37  
What kind of subsidies they be getting.

No way around it, solar and wind do work!

Hi Egon,

Not sure if your subsidies comment is referring to the Danish or the Alberta article, but in the case of the Alberta install you started the thread with, you can see my comments. They had 80% subsidies from the various government levels and agencies. 80%!!! Who can't "make it work" for 20% of the cost? And that 20% was likely fully borne by the people who bought the homes. But extrapolate that out. $5.525 million dollars in subsidies for 52 homes. Alberta averages over 30,000 new homes a year. If we made those subsidies the new norm and required a similar solar system tie for each home, that would cost the various government agencies about $3.2 billion dollars. Any thoughts on where we would come up with that money? I know Ontario and the Feds would say "just borrow it", but we know how well that works out.
 
   / Alberta Solar #38  
And we have nuclear plants that are given 50 year no interest loans, grants and debt forgiveness when they overspend.

What's your answer.

I don't know where you sourced your info from. I work for the company and I can assure you that none of that is true. We even have people tell us that there is no money to dispose of the waste.
 
   / Alberta Solar #39  
What; you do not know the answere!! Just look at your previous post!

If you can move it you can sell it.

The surplus is moved outside of the province and sold cheap, given away or the surrounding utilities are paid to take the green power that is not shut down. What is there that is not understood? 27 interconnections are not enough ?



27 interconnections with other utilities at 345,000, 230,000, 115,000
and 69,000 volts. This number includes nine interconnections with
New York, ten will Québec, four with Michigan, three with Manitoba
and one with Minnesota.

http://www.hydroone.com/ourcompany/mediacentre/documents/hydro_one_at_a_glance.pdf

http://www.hydroone.com/RegulatoryA...t A/Tab_6_Sched_1-Transmission_System_Map.pdf
 
   / Alberta Solar #40  
Hi Egon,

Not sure if your subsidies comment is referring to the Danish or the Alberta article, but in the case of the Alberta install you started the thread with, you can see my comments. They had 80% subsidies from the various government levels and agencies. 80%!!! Who can't "make it work" for 20% of the cost? And that 20% was likely fully borne by the people who bought the homes. But extrapolate that out. $5.525 million dollars in subsidies for 52 homes. Alberta averages over 30,000 new homes a year. If we made those subsidies the new norm and required a similar solar system tie for each home, that would cost the various government agencies about $3.2 billion dollars. Any thoughts on where we would come up with that money? I know Ontario and the Feds would say "just borrow it", but we know how well that works out.

Ontario gave over 30 Billion $$$ to the Wind Turbine companies as incentives.
 

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