Agrotk excavators: Does anyone have one? Opinions/comments/critiques?

   / Agrotk excavators: Does anyone have one? Opinions/comments/critiques? #91  
B&S went bankrupt several years back and was sold to a private investor group supposedly out of NY. Likely they transferred the equipment and designs of engines to a Chinese manufacturer.
My Stand On has a 23hp RATO V twin that shares a lot of features with a B&S Vanguard. RATO Also builds a 420cc Single that other than the Recoil, looks a lot like the B&S XR.

Could be where B&S Tooling wound up. Along with their EPA Compliance Stickers.


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Many of the Harbor Freight motors are RATO Built.
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   / Agrotk excavators: Does anyone have one? Opinions/comments/critiques? #92  
I just bought a Lifan 7,000 watt generator AND the motor looks exactly like the one in the L-12. I think they just make one motor at the factory and stick whatever name on them that you want.--- including the ones hf sells, so IF its chimineese, it came from the same factory. Just my .002!
 
   / Agrotk excavators: Does anyone have one? Opinions/comments/critiques? #93  
Interesting tag differences. Besides the obvious quality of the one in the second picture two other big things I spot. Different weight 830kg vs 880kg and the serial numbers are not in the same format. The first one is simply numbered 422638911 whereas the second is L1223071502H. I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that AGT Industrial of America uses the 2nd serial number format and if you talk to them about parts for a machine lacking that type of serial number is when they will say it is not one of theirs. Parsing it to be model L12-date of July 2023 manufacture-1502 made- H series

I also note that the 2nd tag has an American Address and Purpose type to it.

A person might be well served to inspect ahead of time before buying an Auction sourced Baby Ex.

ETA. BTW I do like the fully opening back cover on your L12. Much easier engine access than my Typhon.
I know companies in China like to imitate better known brands and pass them off as authentic. Seems to be a common thing on Amazon.. NGK spark plugs are one thing that I had an issue with. The complaints and pics I see, make me wonder if other companies are making cheap copies? Now at 12 hours, not a single loose bolt found. In fact, all nuts and bolts seem to be torqued and have a paint line across them to indicate if they have moved any. Also, the bolts attaching the house swing motor (made by Eaton), has red loctite on them, as do the engine mounting bolts.
 
   / Agrotk excavators: Does anyone have one? Opinions/comments/critiques? #94  
My Stand On has a 23hp RATO V twin that shares a lot of features with a B&S Vanguard. RATO Also builds a 420cc Single that other than the Recoil, looks a lot like the B&S XR.
The B&S and the Honda clones are very similar. Note that even Honda, like Briggs, has at least one factory in China for these small engines. Rato marks their engines and it regarded as one of the better Chonda makers. They are one of the suppliers of Predators from HF. Note that HF has at least two makers of the 420 thumpers, one with a hemi head, one without. You can spend hours on the internet reading about these Chonda clones.

Even my Duromax 420 is made in China for a US company: LCT, which acquired the Tecumseh line after they went bankrupt years ago.

You can buy the B&S new online (US supplier) for $500 or so, plus tax. It is a bit less for a decent Chonda 420. The 420 I bought new to put in my Woodmizer has no maker plate, and it is of lower quality, but overall, OK.

A year or so ago, I bought a new Rato horizontal twin (Predator) from HF for about $900. It is still running well in a DW SK500 walk-behind loader. It replaced a Honda, and it fit OK, except for the muffler and air intake.
 
   / Agrotk excavators: Does anyone have one? Opinions/comments/critiques? #95  
It seems its almost impossible to get something made in the good old USA anymore. Here is the spec plate on the Briggs in the L12. China has been slowly acquiring almost any company worth having. I think it started in the 90s.20231207_104518.jpg
 
   / Agrotk excavators: Does anyone have one? Opinions/comments/critiques? #96  
Something I dont understand is the grease fittings on the blade arms. All the other grease fittings work fine but these two refused to take grease. I removed them and found there is a white bushing in there with no hole for grease. is this a defect? Should I drill a hole in the white bushing?20231207_110232.jpg
 
   / Agrotk excavators: Does anyone have one? Opinions/comments/critiques? #97  
Something I dont understand is the grease fittings on the blade arms. All the other grease fittings work fine but these two refused to take grease. I removed them and found there is a white bushing in there with no hole for grease. is this a defect? Should I drill a hole in the white bushing?
That is a feature of poor quality control, coupled with the use of grease zerks that are not in the ends of the pins. In this location, pin-zerks would be harder to service so not ideal either. On my own machine, one of the blade cylinder zerks did not take grease. The easiest solution is to just unscrew the zerk and drill thru the bearing sleeve. There probably IS a hole in the bearing insert, but it rotated when it was pressed in. Or the assembler was supposed to drill a hole.

On any new equipment, it is important to take the grease gun to all the zerks (or needle grease fittings) right away to address this problem.
 
   / Agrotk excavators: Does anyone have one? Opinions/comments/critiques? #98  
That is a feature of poor quality control, coupled with the use of grease zerks that are not in the ends of the pins. In this location, pin-zerks would be harder to service so not ideal either. On my own machine, one of the blade cylinder zerks did not take grease. The easiest solution is to just unscrew the zerk and drill thru the bearing sleeve. There probably IS a hole in the bearing insert, but it rotated when it was pressed in. Or the assembler was supposed to drill a hole.

On any new equipment, it is important to take the grease gun to all the zerks (or needle grease fittings) right away to address this problem.
Thanks for the answer. I didn't want to drill holes without checking in here first. i found a minor issue with the choke on the Briggs engine. I noticed it cranked longer than it should when cold. with the choke cable pulled out as far as possible, I checked the little choke knob on the engine. it moved another quarter inch to the FULL choke position when I pushed it with my finger. The engine starts much quicker when you do this. The problem is with the bracket they used to attach the cable to the engine. It is not straight like it should be. I think there is enough room in the bracket for another hole to be drilled and this should solve the problem. I think that many of these machines with the Briggs will have this same issue. I hope this helps someone.20231207_104227.jpg
 
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   / Agrotk excavators: Does anyone have one? Opinions/comments/critiques? #99  
Well, possibly a new low price in the US for new AGROTK minis: $2600 + tax and 10% buyer's fee. About $3K out the door. QH12R

62 mini-excavators sold today at our local monthly auction in Sacramento, CA. That is down from 65 last month, but this month no larger ones (2-4T).
 
   / Agrotk excavators: Does anyone have one? Opinions/comments/critiques? #100  
Well, possibly a new low price in the US for new AGROTK minis: $2600 + tax and 10% buyer's fee. About $3K out the door. QH12R

62 mini-excavators sold today at our local monthly auction in Sacramento, CA. That is down from 65 last month, but this month no larger ones (2-4T).
They have issues but they are worth 3k I buy one for 3k out the door
 
 
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