Advice on a new computer

/ Advice on a new computer #21  
Excuse me if I don't click on that and depend on over thirty years of working with OS's instead. I have many computers of both types for various reasons. Do you buy from Amazon or at least check out the reviews on any items you might want to purchase? If you do, you'll see that for every item for sale on the face of the Earth, there are both good and bad reviews. If you heed the bad reviews, you'll wind up buying nothing at all, ever. No, what you probably do is look at how many people have given their reviews and look at the percentage of happy customers versus unhappy customers. If there are many more happy than unhappy, you can be reasonably sure that the item in question is probably going to be satisfactory. Also, the brand or model that gets the most reviews is usually the one that sells the most. Compare then, Mac's share of the market compared to PC's. We assume that most computer buyers are not stupid and the majority of them will migrate to what gives them the most value for their money. Given this huge difference in share of the market, one might weigh the evidence and make the choice of which to buy based on that, rather than anecdotal forum replies, where bias plays a heavy role. BTW, the latest iOS that I downloaded onto my iPad? Sucks, and it's nearly ruined what is otherwise a nice machine. Want me to post a link to that screwup? Nah...that's not the point.

Addressed that iOS 8.1.x issue already in this thread. The iOS 8.2 which is optimized to work better on the 4s and iPad 2 will be out soon. As far as the rest there is no use arguing with you. You feel the need to come into any thread mentioning anything apple and run the users down. The OP specifically asked about an Apple laptop so people shared their experiences with them. You are the one that seems to have an ax to grind.
 
/ Advice on a new computer #22  
I've had PCs since the DOS days. Run every OS, up to Win7, currently in use on my Dell Studio 17 laptop, which I added various options to up to $4,000 price tag.
It works perfectly, has no crashes, is connected to the internet/www constantly and is protected by AVG.
My wife/daughter use Macs because I'm unwilling to work on their PCs, and all the issues they create from not knowing what they're doing. So they chose Macs. Good for them. I told them, any problems with your macs don't come near me, I have no interest in working on or fixing them, ever.
Had an i-phone. Went to a Samsung Galaxy S5 Active and never looked back. Don't like Apple's way of selling their 'help' access, and their general arrogance. Had me have to pay for price of a new phone on my credit card while they were 'fixing' my broken one...RIDICULOUS! Why would I want to keep a broken phone? They refused to swap it out without full payment in advance. I won't buy any of their incredibly overpriced gimmick products ever again.
 
/ Advice on a new computer #23  
Had an i-phone. Went to a Samsung Galaxy S5 Active and never looked back. Don't like Apple's way of selling their 'help' access, and their general arrogance. Had me have to pay for price of a new phone on my credit card while they were 'fixing' my broken one...RIDICULOUS! Why would I want to keep a broken phone? They refused to swap it out without full payment in advance. I won't buy any of their incredibly overpriced gimmick products ever again.

I am of much the same attitude on anything Apple. I had two iPhones and then switched to an S3. I like some features better on an iPhone and others are better on my S3 but I am not going back to an iPhone. It was their arrogance that got me.

I'm drilling water wells in Haiti and I'm using my iPhone to keep up with things at home. At night because the power is sketchy it a pain every time to get my phone to charge. "Charging is not supported by this accessory" I don't need to see that when I'm depending on my phone.

I'm not overly computer savvy but I'm tired of Windows and Apple has royally turned me off and I really need a new laptop so I'm stuck.
 
/ Advice on a new computer #25  
Switch to Mac about five years ago, and never looked back. My Windows based PC at the time crashed almost every day, and had all sorts of other limitations. I don't recall the three MacBook Pro laptops that I have had crashing - ever, but it may have happened once or twice and I just don't remember.

Big plus for me, is that the three of us in our house all have iPhones, and so we can plug them into the Mac very conveniently and download photos and whatnot. No compatibility issues like there might be if we try to do it on the PC.
 
/ Advice on a new computer #26  
Another big issue is that there is an Apple store near our house, and so for any technical issues, we could just make an appointment online and walk in and get help for free.

My wife has a laptop that is Windows-based, and it is so old that it needs replacing. If she gets another PC with windows 8.0 or 8.1 or whatever it is now, she will never be able to understand how to use it, simply because Windows has now gone touchscreen for the most part.

So I'm trying to get her to use my older Mac but of course there is a learning curve.

A major problem you will face with any computer, is the fact that they release software and hardware with bugs in it, regardless of the manufacturer. We have such amazing technology now, but also have an amazing number of problems with it simply due to the fact that, in the rush to get things out before the competition does, the products are not properly tested ahead of time. They use us, the customers, to find the problems for them.
 
/ Advice on a new computer #27  
Been happy with Apple products at both home and work (aero engineer).

Don't get me started on their stock -- bought some years ago at the equivalent of $1 share accounting for splits, now it's over $100 so has done well. Problem is that I didn't buy enough since I considered it a long shot. Lost thousands on other "top" stocks during the dot com collapse and only had a few hundred dollars in Apple. Still have the stock and it's worth 100X more than I paid, which is phenomenal. But if I had put all my money into Apple back in the day, I wouldn't need a day job now!

One of my coworkers did have a big stake in Apple, but a stock market fluke triggered an auto sell from his account (the auto sell was recommendation of his financial advisor -- big mistake) and he was out of that stock before the real big gains.
 
/ Advice on a new computer #28  
I've had PCs since the DOS days. Run every OS, up to Win7, currently in use on my Dell Studio 17 laptop, which I added various options to up to $4,000 price tag.
It works perfectly, has no crashes, is connected to the internet/www constantly and is protected by AVG.
My wife/daughter use Macs because I'm unwilling to work on their PCs, and all the issues they create from not knowing what they're doing. So they chose Macs. Good for them. I told them, any problems with your macs don't come near me, I have no interest in working on or fixing them, ever.

Coyote machine has summarized exactly my feeling about Macs. If you are a real computer guru, and are willing to put a lot of time and energy into your computer, Windows is the way to go. And it is less expensive.

OTOH, if you want to just run your business with the computer and spend your time on your business instead of of your computer (which has never paid me a nickel) pay a little extra up front, and you will not have to put that time into your computer. You will put it into doing what is fun and profitable.

I have used Macs since the late 1980s. When my wife and I were married in 2000, she was an ardent Windows user. Wouldn't touch a Mac. She is a University Professor and consults on the side. She frequently had consulting reports which were due on a specific date. There were 4 or 5 times that she had a report due in about a week, and her computer went on the fritz. The only way to get the report out in time was for her to buy a new, top-of-the line computer. I was always able to get the old one up and running with a few hours work spread over several days, but by then she like the new one and would give the old one to one of her better students.

Back then, computers were more expensive than they are now, and she would spend about $2500 every 8 or 9 months on a computer.

Then I convinced her to take a Mac class, and she got a Mac computer. No more computer crises, it just kept running and running. A lot less stress in our lives.

Now, she happens to like new computers and gets a new one every 2 years or so, but she earns a lot more than that from consulting.


Had an i-phone. Went to a Samsung Galaxy S5 Active and never looked back. Don't like Apple's way of selling their 'help' access, and their general arrogance. Had me have to pay for price of a new phone on my credit card while they were 'fixing' my broken one...RIDICULOUS! Why would I want to keep a broken phone? They refused to swap it out without full payment in advance. I won't buy any of their incredibly overpriced gimmick products ever again.

I have had iPhones ever since they first came out. I buy Applecare for them, and if anything goes wrong, I take it into an apple store, and have always been handed a new (well, a refurb) phone. It takes about 20 minutes total. And, best of all, I drop the "insurance" the phone company wants to sell me for $6.95/month in favor of the Applecare. I have to pay it all at once, but it ends up costing less over 2 years.

When my laptop developed a problem, I had to send it in for repair. They do not give loaners, but told me that if I had a credit card, they would sell me a brand new one, which they would completely refund anytime in the next 30 days. I was skeptical at first, but the computer was back in less than a week, and they took the now "slightly used" one back for a full refund. Cost to me? Nothing. I see nothing at all unreasonable about this policy.

Now here is a secret. They sell the returned computers as refurbs on their web site at a reasonable discount.

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Anyway, the bottom line is that I have use Macs for over 30 years, and they have never let me down. The company I worked for switched to Windows about 10 years before I retired. Hated every second of it, but I could make them work, since the company had an IT department and I had unlimited free tech support over the phone from someone who spoke American English as a primary language.

The dirty secret of computer makers is that if a large company buys a large number of computers they get tech support from the US or Canada, if a consumer buys a Windows machine, the tech support is from India. The language they use is English, but it is not colloquial American English, and it is very difficult to understand. Especially with a complex problem. All of the Apple tech support for the US is based in either the US or Canada, and the people are much easier to understand.
 
/ Advice on a new computer #29  
If you need to ask on a public forum about which computer to buy, then you better buy the one that your friends/acquaintances can help you with when you have a question or a problem. My SIL got my daughter an iMac 8 years ago. Whenever she ran into a snag, the only help she could find was for money... nobody she knew understood Apple.
Who do you turn to when you've got an issue ?? Buy the kind of computer they understand, be it PC or Apple.

Pete
 
/ Advice on a new computer
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#30  
You see that you are getting a lot more endorsements for Mac than you are for PC. Does that mean it's a better machine? Nope. It just means Mac users always have some sort of attitude about their choice of machine and they jump in feet first when it comes to blowing Apple's horn. It's a badge. PC users don't give a crap. They just want the computer as a means to an end, they couldn't care less if there's an image of a bitten apple on the cover. If you can't handle Windows 8, then you can't handle Apple's OS either. Also, if you have to ask people in a forum (or any forum) about which computer to buy, you aren't going about it correctly. Hit the books, do some research. This is what it takes to master any OS. If I were you, I'd start by looking into the Surface Pro 3 but then, it's not for babies. :)

Wow! Really?! I'm a professional engineer that designs and plans equipment for a very large global auto company. I'm surrounded by computers.

At home I want something that works, functions well and doesn't require my work place IT team to keep it running. I don't give a rip about image. I care about reliability and performance. My two iPhones (one that is 4.5 years old) and iPads work perfectly. I'm seeking the same performance in a laptop or desktop computer.

Go squeeze some fish. (0:
 
/ Advice on a new computer #31  
IMO...it is the way (media software) applications work with personal computers than make Mac's the better choice...it's what all (or most) professional image.video editors use...

BTW...exactly when did you sell APPL (common) shares for 25.00???...just curious...!
Aug 2009, with Obama gaining ground and I KNEW he was coming in - it scared me. Right or wrong we all know it's a gamble. I told my advisor to sell everything at the time anticipating the crash. The crash happened and I stayed out. He said I should get back in right after the crash I said NO THANKS. I should have, but I didn't have the huevos to gamble, Hind is always 20/20. I figured a bird in the hand.....
 
/ Advice on a new computer #32  
Excuse me if I don't click on that and depend on over thirty years of working with OS's instead. I have many computers of both types for various reasons.

Do you buy from Amazon or at least check out the reviews on any items you might want to purchase? If you do, you'll see that for every item for sale on the face of the Earth, there are both good and bad reviews. If you heed the bad reviews, you'll wind up buying nothing at all, ever. No, what you probably do is look at how many people have given their reviews and look at the percentage of happy customers versus unhappy customers. If there are many more happy than unhappy, you can be reasonably sure that the item in question is probably going to be satisfactory. Also, the brand or model that gets the most reviews is usually the one that sells the most. Compare then, Mac's share of the market compared to PC's. We assume that most computer buyers are not stupid and the majority of them will migrate to what gives them the most value for their money. Given this huge difference in share of the market, one might weigh the evidence and make the choice of which to buy based on that, rather than anecdotal forum replies, where bias plays a heavy role.

BTW, the latest iOS that I downloaded onto my iPad? Sucks, and it's nearly ruined what is otherwise a nice machine. Want me to post a link to that screwup? Nah...that's not the point.

One thing is you can run Windows on a Mac, and you can not run Mac ISO on a PC - advantage Mac.
 
/ Advice on a new computer #33  
Include "NUX" in that and I'm with you all the way.

When I say "nix"...that includes Linux...it's phonetics...! :thumbsup:
If you are a real computer guru, and are willing to put a lot of time and energy into your computer, Windows is the way to go. And it is less expensive.

I disagree...IMO...even if you are not at the "guru" level...(just a savvy user) and you have a little time to learn something different...Linux is the "way to go" and it's 100% free as well as the software that is capable of doing anything commercial operating systems and software can do...often quicker and easier...!

Learning to use a CLI will teach you how personal computers function in short order...
Anyone that enjoys personal computers as a hobby...beyond e-mail and checking their social network sites...can learn how to write shell scripts (using simple system language) that will empower them so far beyond "point and click" typical crash (BSoD) artists/users...they will not believe how much (computer) power they can yield over anyone that has only used a GUI O/S...

Discover the power of a personal computer and give Linux a shot...BTW...most Linux users are super friendly and accommodating...just ask...

...FWIW...I can do stuff today with a 386/486 that a majority of users can't do with the most expensive PC currently on the retail market...
 
/ Advice on a new computer #34  
...At home I want something that works, functions well and doesn't require my work place IT team to keep it running. I don't give a rip about image. I care about reliability and performance. My two iPhones (one that is 4.5 years old) and iPads work perfectly. I'm seeking the same performance in a laptop or desktop computer.

Go squeeze some fish. (0:

You mentioned spreadsheets in your original post. Microsoft sells MS Office for both Mac and Windows, but being Microsoft, they left one trap for the unwary Mac user in it. If you create a spreadsheet on a Windows machine and then open it on a Mac all of the dates will be different by 3 years and 364 days. Same if you create it on a Mac and open it on a Windows box. (Maybe it is 4 years and 1day?)

The reason for this is that dates are stored as a number of days from some reference date. In Windows this is Jan 1,1900. Macs use Jan 1, 1904.

Why did Apple choose such a weird date? Well, you have to go way back to the dawn of the personal computer age. Memory was scarce, and cpu cycles were slow. Due to the rules of the Gregorian calendar we use, 1900 was not a leap year, but 2000 was. The calculation that transforms the number of days into a date which is displayed is much easier if every fourth year the spreadsheet is going to encounter is a leap year. So Apple opted to start in 1904. Microsoft in started in 1900, and the calculation is slower on a Windows machine.

In newer versions of Excel, there is a preference, at least on my Mac for which date system to use. If I get a spreadsheet created on a Windows machine I have to change this preference to use the 1904 date system, so anything I add has the right dates.

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Of course complex formatting is always iffy when going from Windows to Mac, or vice versa.

This is about the only big incompatibility I have found going from one OS to the other, and I place the problem squarely with Microsoft. Memory is cheap and plentiful in computers these days, and cpus are much, much faster. Excel should be able to keep track of which machine created each cell of a spreadsheet and display dates correctly on either OS.

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I like my Mac very much, I can use Windows, but hate every second.
 
/ Advice on a new computer #35  
I've never liked apple anything since they day they started, because it was so proprietary and overly expensive. Also one of the first assembly languages I programmed in was on a motorola chip that apple used, and it was terrible (no labels, had to hardcode all the jumps). I know that is now ancient history, and I have programmed on newer motorola that was easier than intel based assembly. With that said, windows 8 is enough to make me consider Apple for my next computer, maybe.......
 
/ Advice on a new computer #36  
Linux users don't need to learn or tinker with the CLI (dos-like 'terminal) if they're happy with a totally Windows-like user experience. (Native Win apps run in 'Wine' therein if you like EXCEL). I suggest anyone Linux-curious dig out an obsolete (or unused) Win machine and run a 'live CD' session. (Download .ISO and 'burn' (not copy) to DVD, boot from it). I like LXLE for laptops, and use Linux Mint 17 on my power desktop more often than I boot it to XP.

Your old OS won't know it's running on another, borrowing RAM and some HD space for temp cache. (It will run more slowly than a full install, working from the DVD vs the HD.) Many versions have the option to install Linux in a dual-boot configuration from the live session. You'd want to read up on setting up a boot-loader if so, and may want to use a disk partitioning utility prior to installing. Instructions for these are easy to follow and come with the "are you sures" for the tricky bits.

When turning on the computer you would select Win or LINUX from a menu and go from there. I typed a post or two yesterday on another box running an OS that can be run entirely in ram and booted/backed-up to a pen drive ... on a computer with 500MB of RAM & no hard drive. (Firefox is Firefox & works the same on my XP, Vista, Win 2k, and Linux machines.)

What /pine says about 'any old' computer is because open source software has such humble hardware requirements. (Choose a 'non PAE' distro for those 486s, ok? ...;))
 
/ Advice on a new computer #37  
Wow! Really?! I'm a professional engineer that designs and plans equipment for a very large global auto company. I'm surrounded by computers.

At home I want something that works, functions well and doesn't require my work place IT team to keep it running. I don't give a rip about image. I care about reliability and performance. My two iPhones (one that is 4.5 years old) and iPads work perfectly. I'm seeking the same performance in a laptop or desktop computer.

Go squeeze some fish. (0:

I am a recently retired engineer from Intel where my last projects were Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge mobile. None of my fellow engineers would ever, ever, inquirer about which computer to use on a tractor forum nor any other forum period. Engineers, by their very nature, have a natural curiosity about how things are designed, constructed and the thought processes that went into them. You can be anything you want on the Internet but in my book, you sure don't sound like one. The last thing an engineer wants is the easy way out, not having to think about what he is doing. Moreover, I would think that most engineers would prefer more than one button on a mouse since they are not easily confused by two or more.

Ask yourself: Why did Steve Jobs insist on putting only one button on his mouse?
 
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/ Advice on a new computer #38  
Addressed that iOS 8.1.x issue already in this thread. The iOS 8.2 which is optimized to work better on the 4s and iPad 2 will be out soon. As far as the rest there is no use arguing with you. You feel the need to come into any thread mentioning anything apple and run the users down. The OP specifically asked about an Apple laptop so people shared their experiences with them. You are the one that seems to have an ax to grind.

Wait, what? Apple is going to fix their OS soon? I hear Microsoft is going to fix Windows 8 soon too. Don't you get it? There's always something to fix, no matter what it is. And yes, since this is a forum, I feel the need to submit an opinion even if it irritates Apple fanboys. And since when is axe grinding a bad thing? How else is one to slice thru all the BS? Here's the deal - all computers are different. Stop globalizing about which type is better than another. Whether you think PC's are crap or you think they are great, you are right. Same for Apple.
 
/ Advice on a new computer #39  
Get a mac. More expensive up front, come with software up the kazoo to begin with.
mac Mac Mac mac Mac. I am a caveman when it comes to technology and have been using one since the git go. They don't go bonkers, their support is great and they pretty much don't care about PC viruses.
 
/ Advice on a new computer #40  
Moreover, I would think that most engineers would prefer more than one button on a mouse since they are not easily confused by two or more.

Ask yourself: Why did Steve Jobs insist on putting only one button on his mouse?

That hasn't been the case for over a decade. Their current mouse has multiple button points as well as touch gestures. Of course, being an engineer I just plug in a standard unix three button mouse into my Macs.

While we're on the subject of engineers, I should note that about 85% of the desktop computers used for aerospace R&D in my group are Macs, the other 15% Linux. Supercomputers are all Linux based. You'd get left behind trying to use a Windows box in this environment, regardless of how many buttons are on your mouse.
 

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