Long term planning of selling your home?

   / Long term planning of selling your home?
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Do you have a separate deed for the acreage and the house, so you don't need to have a survey etc. to keep it?
The two parcels of land are separate.

I already had a surveyor go over the 6 acres with home for boundary markers, particularly out back which are now laid.

This taken when we had the back deck replaced. You can see where the 6 acres ends right behind the well down the hill (red line indicates separation of property). Everything else you see is part of the additional property.
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   / Long term planning of selling your home? #162  
As mentioned, even if we can get the appraised value of the home AFTER we sink some money into it, and I would be more than happy.
If people insist on taxing property, the taxing authority should be required to purchase the property for the appraised value at the owner's request whenever the owner wishes.

We spent way too much effort having to prove to the county how poorly their appraisers did their jobs.

Your spending efforts will likely help the house move more quickly, but will lose you money net-net.

New paint in our house was going to be upwards of $10k. The neighborhood wasn't "starter home" level. Almost anyone who was moving in there was going to repaint anyway.

"Move-in ready" is best for a starter home where the buyers can't likely afford to do much in the first few years. In those homes, paint and such may matter.
 
   / Long term planning of selling your home? #163  
I haven't bought raw land in a while, but when I did, it was A LOT harder to get a loan for land without a house on it. And when it did happen, it was for 15 years with a huge down payment.

Smart to have options, but in my opinion, it will be a lot easier to sell all the land with the house. I also doubt that you will get a lot more per acre selling the land separate from the house.
 
   / Long term planning of selling your home?
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If people insist on taxing property, the taxing authority should be required to purchase the property for the appraised value at the owner's request whenever the owner wishes.

We spent way too much effort having to prove to the county how poorly their appraisers did their jobs.

Your spending efforts will likely help the house move more quickly, but will lose you money net-net.

New paint in our house was going to be upwards of $10k. The neighborhood wasn't "starter home" level. Almost anyone who was moving in there was going to repaint anyway.

"Move-in ready" is best for a starter home where the buyers can't likely afford to do much in the first few years. In those homes, paint and such may matter.
The appraised value I'm referring to was done by a bank.

That said, of course our tax appraised value is lower, but in all honesty, what they have listed as far as the house it self is very limited and I'm completely fine paying what the county is assessing the home for ;)

Of course the housing market can change drastically over time, but from what I'm looking at for comparisons in my own market, the banks appraised value might be on the under side vs the current market than being over.

I completely agree with your comment that some spending will help move the home more quickly, and honestly that's what we're hoping for.

House has 3 HVAC systems, I replaced 1-3 years ago, the other this year, and the last one will be done next month (that's the PITA job but working in attics in NC are better in the winter than summer LOL).

New roof was installed last year.

Really only need to do some updating on the kitchen and the flooring in basement, and we should be good to go.
 
   / Long term planning of selling your home?
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#165  
Smart to have options, but in my opinion, it will be a lot easier to sell all the land with the house. I also doubt that you will get a lot more per acre selling the land separate from the house.
That is exactly my line of thinking.

I think perhaps the land can become a good bargaining chip for us in selling the home with 6 acres.

I figure absolute worse case, I can still have my own shooting range lol
 
   / Long term planning of selling your home? #166  
What I struggle with is what is a "fair rate" for land? You want to be fair, but you don't want to give it away if that makes sense.

I'm going to miss this home. Only home I've ever owned. It has served us very well over the years raising two boys as well as having my father live with us for 4 years before he died. Reality is though my wife is right using common sense. The home has 3 levels and is way to big for just the two of us, and I'll probably have to have my shoulder replaced next year and I really can't keep up with the trees out back with the chainsaw anymore.

Only hope is that it would serve a growing family well like it served us.
For a fair price of land, one has to look at comparable land that has sold recently. An agent can do this on MLS or you should be able to find the information in the county tax/deed office. My wife and I have gone around and around on this over the years were I think the land is worth more than she thinks. :) Why? She is looking at MLS data and I am looking at other real estate websites. I think she is starting to believe my "valuations" when land near us sold and she found the sale price at the country. :)

The hard part is what is truly comparable. One really has to look at the details. A five acre lot along a rural highway is not worth the same amount as five acres in a subdivision in my opinion. Course, if the subdivision has a restrictive HOA with Condo Commandos running the HOA... A lot just a few miles further away from a town or city where people work will be less than a lot that is closer. A lot near where a major development is gong to be done, could go up or down in value, depending on the details of the new development. The details matter.

We have been looking to sell and go elsewhere. One thing I do is get on Google Earth and "drive" around the possible new residence. Then I search websites to find out about the new area. Reddit is pretty good as are local news stations. We were looking very closely at downtown Savannah Georgia. Our first couple of passes into investigating housing and the area were positive. One of the positives is the small local parks that are spread through out down town. However, as I started digging, people where talking about drug dealing, crime, and harassment from people hanging out in the parks. So what was a positive turned into a blocking negative. Worse, law enforcement could not, or would not, do anything about the situation. For this reason, and a few more, we took Savannah off the list. Just read that a woman was severely burned when a savage tossed acid on her when she walked through one of the parks. It was a random attack by the savage on this innocent woman.

Your chainsaw comment really hit home. We have had more trees get blow down and block access over the last 12-18 months than we have had in decades. Unreal. I was cleaning up a tree one day and the thought hit me as to how much longer could I run the chainsaw? Nothing wrong with me, and I think I can run the chainsaw better now than I could decades ago, but at some point, that might not be true, and then what do we do? The idea of moving has been for other reasons but taking care of the place was/is a concern. It was a realization that one day I might night be able to clear a downed tree....

Having said that, we like our house and land soo much, and the idea of moving is interesting, but we can't find a better place to live. One day we just might have to hire a landscaping company and keep them on speed dial, boy that is an obsolete term now :), if a tree needs to be cleared. :)
 
   / Long term planning of selling your home? #167  
I'd keep the additional land separate for now as the new owner's may not have the $ today to buy and they may not "value" the land initially as they will in 1-2 years. Then other buyers - abutters etc, may come forward with a better offer in time.

And land doesn't lose value, and tax burden is not too high typically.
 
   / Long term planning of selling your home?
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#168  
Your chainsaw comment really hit home. We have had more trees get blow down and block access over the last 12-18 months than we have had in decades. Unreal. I was cleaning up a tree one day and the thought hit me as to how much longer could I run the chainsaw? Nothing wrong with me, and I think I can run the chainsaw better now than I could decades ago, but at some point, that might not be true, and then what do we do? The idea of moving has been for other reasons but taking care of the place was/is a concern. It was a realization that one day I might night be able to clear a downed tree....
10 years ago if I worked the chain saw for more than 15-45 minutes I couldn't sleep at night due to the pain in the shoulder.

I'm finally getting to the point where I can not take care of everything I need to around the place, because even if I do nothing, I can be in pain at night.

The shoulder needs to be replaced sooner vs later now. I've had to pay guys to take down and cut up trees because I physically couldn't be able to which I could do easily in the past. Don't get me wrong, but its something mentally where you have to pay guys to do basic labor that you could do with no problem in the past.
 
   / Long term planning of selling your home? #169  
10 years ago if I worked the chain saw for more than 15-45 minutes I couldn't sleep at night due to the pain in the shoulder.

I'm finally getting to the point where I can not take care of everything I need to around the place, because even if I do nothing, I can be in pain at night.

The shoulder needs to be replaced sooner vs later now. I've had to pay guys to take down and cut up trees because I physically couldn't be able to which I could do easily in the past. Don't get me wrong, but its something mentally where you have to pay guys to do basic labor that you could do with no problem in the past.
I can relate, for me it is low back pain. We recently had a tree service come in and remove about 20 trees, prune dead branches and trim everything up to 12', plus clean up anything laying on the ground. They hauled everything off. Some of the trees were in excess of 36" diameter and 50'-60' tall. They were here for 3 days. Best money I ever spent. I can now mow where I need to without hitting the cab or a canopy on a limb. I can use either my Dewalt 20V chain saw or Oregon 40V chain saw and the grapple to clean up any limbs that fall going forward.
 
   / Long term planning of selling your home? #170  
I'd keep the additional land separate for now as the new owner's may not have the $ today to buy and they may not "value" the land initially as they will in 1-2 years. Then other buyers - abutters etc, may come forward with a better offer in time.

And land doesn't lose value, and tax burden is not too high typically.
Folks took the buy and hold on adjacent acreage and it’s down about 90% from 10 years ago…

Land too depends on location…
 
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Folks took the buy and hold on adjacent acreage and it’s down about 90% from 10 years ago…

Land too depends on location…
Look at the local norm. You dont want to be the house and 0.25 acres when every other property has 5-10 acres. At the same time, if every house has 0.5-2.5 acres; you likely won't get full value on 20-40 acres. They can be seperate and listed as an option, like 3/2 house on 2.5 acres for $300k with option to buy 17.5 acres for another $150k. Obviously, use the numbers from your part of the world.

My worry with selling house only (and the lot it sits on of coarse), if the land takes for ever to sell, what's its holding cost? Around here, it would be $10,000/acre at 1.8% per year in taxes; $180/acre doesnt seem that bad, until its 20 acres, and it costs you almost 4k for it to sit.
 
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Land too depends on location…

Most definitely - we bought as much adjoining land as we could afford over the years and sold a 2.5 A lot for 5x what we paid. We are .25 mi from the ocean (no view) as the crow flies, so land is a premium here.
 
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10 years ago if I worked the chain saw for more than 15-45 minutes I couldn't sleep at night due to the pain in the shoulder.

I'm finally getting to the point where I can not take care of everything I need to around the place, because even if I do nothing, I can be in pain at night.

The shoulder needs to be replaced sooner vs later now. I've had to pay guys to take down and cut up trees because I physically couldn't be able to which I could do easily in the past. Don't get me wrong, but its something mentally where you have to pay guys to do basic labor that you could do with no problem in the past.

I can relate, for me it is low back pain. We recently had a tree service come in and remove about 20 trees, prune dead branches and trim everything up to 12', plus clean up anything laying on the ground. They hauled everything off. Some of the trees were in excess of 36" diameter and 50'-60' tall. They were here for 3 days. Best money I ever spent. I can now mow where I need to without hitting the cab or a canopy on a limb. I can use either my Dewalt 20V chain saw or Oregon 40V chain saw and the grapple to clean up any limbs that fall going forward.

In the why didn't I do this sooner category....

Early in the year, I read an article about creatine, which is good not just for building muscles, but also recovering from work AND brain health. Now, I have always dismissed taking creatine since I was not a body builder. Having said that, maintaining muscle mass as one gets older can be a problem. But the real light bulb moment was the improved RECOVERY after doing work. So I got some creatine and gave it a chance....

Should have done this years ago. I am taking 5mg a day, but many people take 10-20mg. The results have been astounding. In the past, doing work like brush cutting, chain sawing, stacking the rounds, and splitting firewood would have me feeling it for at least two days. Now, I feel next to nothing.

Yesterday, I went a split some firewood for the first time in years. Too busy with work and family to split wood for years but I did some yesterday. Did it with a splitting maul. Split enough dried wood for a couple of days of burning in the stove but also stacked some rounds to keep them off the ground. I pushed the wheeled card full of firewood 1,000ish feet or so up the hill to the house. This morning, I just feel a bit of ickyness in my elbow where I just HAD to over power it splitting a touch piece of wood. <sigh> I know better.... If not for the strong winds and rain today, I could have gone out an done more work. This is because of the creatine. I think of all of the years I have been stiff and sore for days after working that could have been prevented so easily. I also take an electrolyte with the creatine which is mixed in a glass of water.

Years ago we found out that taking curcumin supplements really helps with muscle soreness and other inflammation. I took a bunch of that last night to help the elbow since creatine is not going to help the joint.

I don't think creatine is gong to help a joint that needs replacement though the curcumin might help ease the pain/discomfort a bit. Maybe.

Creatine is supposed to help brain health but I don't know how to measure it's affect but it sure has been an eye opener for muscle recovery. :) Just unreal how work that used to cause discomfort for a day or two has just gone away. I might feel a bit of muscle tightness after waking up but moving around takes that away.
 

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