Actual Tundra Towing Capacity

[john_bud]

Renze,

The small tractors by JD are made in Japan and now in India. The larger ones are and have been made in America. I think the lawn machines are also made in America. But???

As to bias, there is a lot less of it here than ever. Mostly because we can't tell where anything is made anymore!

jb

 

[escavader]

I dont see an overwelming number of Toyotas in my area,could it be that the nearest dealer is in the biggest towns and that would be 40-50 miles away.The smaller communities have a dodge,gm,and ford dealer.I may be wrong but,i dont think there are alot of TOYOTA dealers in rural areas.Unless you commute to a larger populated area for work etc,[like i do]probably one might shy away for its a long drive for service.
ALAN

 

[ultrarunner]

Several contractors I know have or have had Toyota Tundras. All of them had good things to say... heck Toyota builds trucks right here in the Bay Area... The city of Fremont operates several Toyota Trucks... might be because the Toyota factory is in Fremont?

The acoustical ceiling contractor traded his Tundra with 160,000 miles for a new 2006 F150. He was thinking about another Tundra until he experienced sticker shock and could not justify spending the extra money for a Toyota

I'll ask the Landscapers I know that have Tundras and report back.

 

[RollingsFarms]

i think the jury is still out on the new Tundra's. i know the older model Tundras were underpowered and didnt weigh as much as the domestics, hence their lack of towing capabilities to compete. i think in 2-3 years, of consistent major success...nothing less, the new Tundra will start to be accepted and respected more. you dont earn respect overnight, and proving yourself rarely comes easy. i think if Toyota is SERIOUS in competing year in and year out in the full-size truck market that even though they seem to have made great strides with this years model, they still arent out of the woods yet. i went with Chevrolet because they have that image of what a truck is supposed to be, i know many many people that have owned one and gone back to buy another when the time came. i cant say that i know any return Tundra or Titan owners, but they are out there im sure. just not as common as loyal Ford, Dodge and Chevy fans.

 

[the6shooter]

I have a 2004 titan, and I'll put it up against and 1/2 ton truck, ford chevy or dodge, at least titan has a 4 bolt main, where others don't, and a fully boxed frame. I've been pulling my massey 1528, fel, brush hog and boxblade, never had a problem, power that hasn't dimnished at all. I love the new tundra, great truck now that the gave it a more powerful, motor, and trany.
titan and tundra, sales are up, big 3 sales down. chrysler is for sale.
but still think ford superduty, with powerstroke diesel, is prob. the better work horse since navistar \ international is probiding the power.

But then again some are just afraid of change

david

 

[workinallthetime]

boys boys boys,
ya guys had me scared for a minute i had fallen into this maketing trap but i have to say i didnt, once again gm pulls through ahead of the rest.
ya see back in october i ordered my 1/2 ton 4x4 crew cab gmc with the "max" package, because it could tow 10,500 lbs as the gm propaganda said.
so i went out to the truck to take a look in the owner manual and what do i find?
MAX TRAILER WEIGHT
10,500 LBS
GVWR 16,000 LBS
thats a 1/2 ton
no special notes added just the numbers in black and white, no special hitch, no exceptions just the the 2 ** next to the 6.0 that descibres my truck.
i wonder if ford is using that same trick as the toy's are to bump up their tow numbers? i see they are listing a 11,000 lb add now and they are saying like 23k out of the f450.
i will say this, ive been a tech for a gm dealer for 12 years and ever since the 99 trucks came out the heavy line department went from 6-7 guys down to 1 or 2, heavy line is engines, rear ends, trans, things like that, gm must be doing something right because all the dealers in this area have about 1/2 the amount of techs they did.
another note about the gm 10,500 trucks, they have alot of 3/4 ton stuff under that skin. the frame looks the same, the rear diff is the same, the engine is the same, and the brakes are the same.
i feel bad for the guy who bought the toy wanting to pull alot of weight with it but at the same time it is a real eye opener about toyota and their trucks for the working man. heck my wife wants a lexus and ive entertained the idea but right now she is driving my old 04 deanli and she loves it.

ohh and the guy with the 95 6.5 with just a little tweaking here and there i can make that thing pull the guts out of that nissan titan and do it everyday for years to come. go to the diesel page dot com and check out some of those old 6.5's . ohh and fix those leaking oil cooler lines before you buy a motor.

from the sounds of the original post, im getting toyota is pulling a hat trick to catch up with gm.
here is a list of what i have owned since i was able to own and their repairs.
85 iroc- nothing dad sold it because he cought me havin fun
82 1500 long bed reg cab - blown head gasket - you cant keep drivin when its in the red son, oops
84 1500 short wide -nothin broke
87 s-10 engine due to intake leak and i didnt know better- sold it
84 nissan maxima- trans, the wrecked it
85 nissan makima- struts, injecotors, fuel pump, water pump, t-stat
92 1500 short wide bought at 100k-water pump
95 1500 xcab- bought at 60k nothin broke sold at 160k
99 3/4 ton 4x4 x cab bought new broken flywheel at 13k sold at 150k
04 denali bought new nothin broke at 70k now
07 1/2 ton 4x4 crew max package 10k nothin broke

as you can see i had a momentary lack of wisdom at had 2 cars by nissan, great little cars but back to gm for me and nothin else as you can see why.

only thing i can say is get the hitch you need and sell it before it runs out of warranty.

happy truckin

 

[workinallthetime]

K-1500 Crew Cab Short Box (4WD)*
Axle Ratio
Maximum Trailer Weight
GCWR+
4.8L V8
3.42
4.10
5,400 lbs (2 449 kg)
7,400 lbs (3 356 kg)
11,000 lbs (4 989 kg)
13,000 lbs (5 897 kg)
5.3L V8
3.73
4.10
7,500 lbs (3 402 kg)
8,500 lbs (3 855 kg)
13,000 lbs (5 897 kg)
14,000 lbs (6 350 kg)
6.0L V8
3.73
8,500 lbs (3 855 kg)
14,000 lbs (6 350 kg)
6.0L V8**
4.10
10,500 lbs (4 763 kg)
16,000 lbs (6 257 kg)
6.2L V8
3.42
8,500 lbs (3 855 kg)
14,000 lbs (6 350 kg)
*This model is neither designed nor intended to tow fifth-wheel or gooseneck trailers.
**NHT Enhanced Trailering Performance Package required.
+The Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) is the total allowable weight of the completely loaded vehicle and trailer including any passengers, cargo, equipment and conversions. The GCWR for your vehicle should not be exceeded.

right out of the owners manual only bad thing i see is that i cant use a gooseneck

 

[HighLoader]

I too am dissapointed at what they say these half tons can tow. We bought an 06 Nissan Titan, big tow and 4wd, and got rid of it last week. It had lots of power and was like driving a sports car in a lot of ways. The seats and driving position were wierd and we could not get used to the long dash and large blind spot from the large front roof posts. We have a 8700lbs travel trailer and the salesman said it could tow it no problem. I never did try towing it because the max on the trailer hitch said 1000lbs tounge wt and our trailer tounge wt is 1170. I hitched it up and it sunk it to the axle. I would have to get extra springs or air bags installed. Also, I heard of the rear ends going out because of towing the max wieght. I did tow our three horse trailer with horses and it did a good job! I think that was about 7300 lbs with a tounge wt of 700lbs. I just did not feel comfortable towing more than that though. Also, we are 5 miles back on a dirt road and the titan frame was sqeeking alot. Now I am looking at getting a 07 chevy, new body style, 2500HD, with the duramax and allison trans. I am stuck on wheather to get 4 wheel drive or the 2 wheel drive with the locking differencial.

 

[Renze]

Renze,

The small tractors by JD are made in Japan and now in India. The larger ones are and have been made in America. I think the lawn machines are also made in America. But???

As to bias, there is a lot less of it here than ever. Mostly because we can't tell where anything is made anymore!

jb

John_bud,

Deere's 5000 series is based on the Italian Carraro tractor, which was the poorest built tractor in Europe ever.
The 3000 series was a co-operation with Renault of France (now taken over by harvest specialist Claas) which wasnt any good either.
The 2000 series JD sold in Southern Europe and Latin america, was sourced from Zetor. I, who was given the nickname "Doc Zetor", will be the first to admit that there were issues with the underrated drum brakes and poor master cylinders of clutch and brakes on the late 80's mid 90's era tractors, but for Deere that wasnt an issue either. These were exceeding the other minus 100 hp offerings from Deere, by far however.
The current 5020 series is built in the German Mannheim plant and based on the 6020 series, on crying demand of the European farmers that wanted something that was worth to carry the JD name, because older 2250 and 2850 models in good condition, were getting scarce.


As to teh brand bias thing, i assume that this board is visited not just by old skool rednecks but also farming and landscaping enthusiasts with a non-agricultural background.

Also, most Deeroids i've spoken in Canada, were the ones that didnt have an internet connection either


About being proud on your lawn mower because its ought to be built in the good ol' USA, i cant see why people have pride in their lawn mower in the first place, no matter who and where its built

 

[Renze]

....I just did not feel comfortable towing more than that though. Also, we are 5 miles back on a dirt road and the titan frame was sqeeking alot.

...That's exactly the reason why i bought a 1996 Volvo 850 2.5 TDI with 311.000 km on the clock, instead of like my parents did, buy a 2003 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI with only 170.000 km... The mondeo squeeks on every dirt road and the look and feel is just plastic.... Next to that, the 850 is just about halfway its mileage life expectancy, where the mondeo has exceeded half its calculated lifespan....
The newer small Volvos have the same motors as the Mondeo, so they arent my choice either...

 

[Tom59]

Tundra Solutions is where you can research, discuss, price and repair your Toyota, Scion or Lexus Go there and get the specs or ask owners.

The new Tundra 07's is a serious truck towing capacity should always be defined as the engines torque. HP doesn't tow squat TQ does....once you use that method you'll understand the towing capacities better.
Nevermind having the brakes to stop the load. Right now in this 1/2 ton segment the new Tundra is killer.
I own the first generation and it tows my boat 4000lbs no issues whatsoever. Can it tow 7200lbs **** no......but unless you are new to trucks thats a given.
They are the more expensive beast in group too. IMO you get what you pay for...that 5.7 is the REALDEAL. Go test drive one! I can understand not liking the looks or interior , but this thing has balls. As far as gas engined trucks its a no brainer.

 

[Jaybr]

6.0L V8**
4.10
10,500 lbs (4 763 kg)
16,000 lbs (6 257 kg)

+The Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) is the total allowable weight of the completely loaded vehicle and trailer including any passengers, cargo, equipment and conversions. The GCWR for your vehicle should not be exceeded.

Looks like Chevy is playing the same marketing game as everyone else to me, just the numbers are bigger.

16,000 lbs GVWR - weight of truck = what? I'm guessing it's 10,500.

Throw a 200 lb driver in the truck and you just lost 200 lbs of towing capacity.

 

[RollingsFarms]

Looks like Chevy is playing the same marketing game as everyone else to me, just the numbers are bigger.

16,000 lbs GVWR - weight of truck = what? I'm guessing it's 10,500.

Throw a 200 lb driver in the truck and you just lost 200 lbs of towing capacity.

Chevy is putting 2500 Hd technology in those trucks(engine, springs, etc.). Toyota and Nissan arent. everyone skews their numbers but GM and Ford have the closest to accurate numbers.

 

[workinallthetime]

guess its time for a trip to the scales

 

[George2615]

I too am dissapointed at what they say these half tons can tow. We bought an 06 Nissan Titan, big tow and 4wd, and got rid of it last week. It had lots of power and was like driving a sports car in a lot of ways. The seats and driving position were wierd and we could not get used to the long dash and large blind spot from the large front roof posts. We have a 8700lbs travel trailer and the salesman said it could tow it no problem. I never did try towing it because the max on the trailer hitch said 1000lbs tounge wt and our trailer tounge wt is 1170. I hitched it up and it sunk it to the axle. I would have to get extra springs or air bags installed. Also, I heard of the rear ends going out because of towing the max wieght. I did tow our three horse trailer with horses and it did a good job! I think that was about 7300 lbs with a tounge wt of 700lbs. I just did not feel comfortable towing more than that though. Also, we are 5 miles back on a dirt road and the titan frame was sqeeking alot. Now I am looking at getting a 07 chevy, new body style, 2500HD, with the duramax and allison trans. I am stuck on wheather to get 4 wheel drive or the 2 wheel drive with the locking differencial.

When I got my 05 Duramax / Allison, the Duramax pkg. included a locking diff. So you only need to decide if you need 4WD. I didn't look you up on a map so don't know if you get any snow or not. Do you have muddy conditions that would warrant 4WD. In my part of the country I'd say 80% of truck sold are 4WD. Those that have 2WD mostly use them when we're not in the winter season.

 

[wkpoor]

After all this debate I say just look at the wimpy little tiny rear end under those Jap trucks. I've been wanting for a long time to pull into a Toyota dealership with my Chevy 3500 express van while towing my 7500lb. JD 5400 on my 2500lb. trailer and say hey, lets hook this thing to one of those fancy little pickem up trucks and just see if the commercial is all hipe or not. Garantee the 1500lb + hitch load with bring it to its knees and probably about bring the front end off the ground. What a joke those trucks are!!!

 

[Jaybr]

After all this debate I say just look at the wimpy little tiny rear end under those Jap trucks. I've been wanting for a long time to pull into a Toyota dealership with my Chevy 3500 express van while towing my 7500lb. JD 5400 on my 2500lb. trailer and say hey, lets hook this thing to one of those fancy little pickem up trucks and just see if the commercial is all hipe or not. Garantee the 1500lb + hitch load with bring it to its knees and probably about bring the front end off the ground. What a joke those trucks are!!!

Brilliant!! A 1 ton will out haul a 1/2 ton

 

[familyman]

Stu,
This is NOT a recommendation, but I towed my tractor (in TLB guise) at around 4,800lbs., on a 16' (rented, don't know what it weighed) trailer several times with my '03 V6 automatic Tundra. Not easily, not happily, and a bit on the warm side on the temp gauge. It strugggled, I was nervous, stopping had to be planned in advance; the arrangement was dangerous.
I now drive a Dodge 2500 4x4 with a Cummins and couldn't be happier. Ballet dancers should not play football.

 

[wkpoor]

Brilliant!! A 1 ton will out haul a 1/2 ton

You didn't get what I was trying to say. Toyota advertizes that 1/2 ton can tow 10,000lbs. I say bullcrap. Maybe it can but not a real load unlike the boats you always see attached that probably have all of 250lbs. tonque load. Never yet seen an add with a skid steer on the back. And if you really worked them day in day out the drive train just ain't that much to take it. Heck my 69 Impala had a larger rear end than those Jap trucks.

 

[Jaybr]

Those rear ends may look small, but how many Toyota rear ends have you seen fail? I've owned a Tundra and several small Toyota trucks, worked them all hard but within their limits and never had a rear end problem. I've known a lot of people that owned Toyota's and was active on several Toyota forums and only ever seen 1 rear end failure. That failure was a couple months ago, belongs to one of my 18 year old sons friends who's driven the truck all through high school, spent tons of time offroad, running 35" tires, and beat the truck to death.

Nissan Titan's on the other hand use a Dana axle (based on the 44) and have had some failures. Mine started leaking at 63k and the dealer replaced the whole axle. The Dana in the Nissan is the same size as most 1/2 ton trucks.

This thread was about advertised tow ratings, not my chevy is better than a jap truck.

Bottom line is this, most of the Japanese auto makers are doing fine, growing and turning profits, GM and Ford are on the verge of bankruptcy and Diamler just sold off Chrysler for a huge loss.

BTW: I towed a Takeuchi with my Jap truck with no problems.