#70 Deere Flexiplanter

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FwJ,

Thanks for the posts. A lot of really good information.

Now, I am interested about how you paint. It looks professional. I would like to be able to do that. (Look Ma I jus paintd thu car purpl!).

A few questions if you don't mind...Do you use an air compressor and a sprayer? Or brush on? If you are spraying, do you add a catalyst to the paint you are using, or is it the normal type of paint that dries...instead of hardens? Isn't it too cold to paint, (need above 50 degrees or so), or do you have a heater in your shop? Do you use any kind of drier in the air line for painting if you are using an air compressor? What do you use to dilute the paint?
 
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I'm still a rank amature with the paint, but there's ONE WAY to get better. PAINT MORE. I use acrylic enamel. I avoid alkyd enamels at all cost. (The stuff TSC sells) There's no point in going to all the trouble to sand and prep and paint and detail and....ect, then use a paint that'll last 3 or 4 years before it begins to fade and wash off.

The prep work is the key. Paint is only as good as the surface it's applied to. Rust has to go. Sand, sandblast, wire wheel, rust converter, whatever it takes. I want CLEAN METAL. Then a GOOD epoxy primer. I use PPG brand automotive grade primers. I USUALLY use light grey. It covers easier than dark grey or red. Prime, sand, prime again, sand again, ect, until the surface is as slick as you want the FINISH to be. Paint, when applied correctly won't hide flaws. It's not thick enough to substitute for doing the prep right.

I use the same reducer (thinner) in the primer as I'll use in the finish coat. Generally, I use PPG or DuPont enamel reducers. Mix types and sometimes you'll get an adverse reaction. That will bring tears to your eyes after spending a month getting a hood slick as glass just to have the final coat raise the primer underneath it.

Whenever possible, I use OEM paints. (ie paint from John Deere on a Deere piece, ect) They tend to sell premium grade enamels, but NOT high tech super finishes. I want the tractor to look like a NEW tractor, and NOT like a $1,000,000 show car. Slick and a decent shine is plenty to aspire to. While on the subject, Deere's paint is about as good as ANY paint I've ever used and it's VERY competitively priced. (The red from AGCO/MF is rather difficult at times. Doesn't like to cover without multiple coats)

I use (sparingly) Valspar (TSC) hardener. I bought a fresh air system several years ago. (Some people will tell you a LITTLE hardener (Icocyanites ---sp?) won't hurt you. Don't listen. A "little' gave me symtoms of asthma for several years after breathing for just a few minutes) Hardener gives you gloss and a tougher finish. Too much will make the paint subject to chipping. I avoid the more technical 2-part paint "systems". I just don't know enough yet to be using that grade of paint. Stay with what you understand.

I use a smaller (5hp) Campbell Hausfeld compressor, a GOOD water trap, a good grade of regulator, and 2 different guns. Both are HVLP types. One is my primer gun. It's a HUSKEE (Home Depot) $79 model. It throws primer as good as anything. For the finish, I've got a Sharpe "Platinum" (model) HVLP gun that is much more adjustable than the cheaper gun.

My shop is heated with a combination of kerosene heaters and a wood stove. I have to get the shop as warm as possible, shut down the open flame, paint, wait until the fumes clear, then re-light the heat. I can't paint with outside temps below 35 or 40 and still hold sufficient temps inside. In some ways, I prefer to paint in cooler weather. Around here, the humidity is lower and there's no flying insects to deal with. (Don't ask.... That issue gets me rather wound up)

Start simple, paint implements that don't need a super slick finish, then work your way up to sheet metal. Go slow. Once there's a problem, stop. You can't throw more paint on a mistake and make it go away.

PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE.
 
/ #70 Deere Flexiplanter #23  
Good Afternoon Bill,
Wow, very nicely done ! Who says red and green cant look good together ! ;) :)
 
/ #70 Deere Flexiplanter #24  
Thanks a lot for the detailed reply FarmWithJunk on your painting setup. I printed your reply out on my printer to squirrel away for reference. I will most likely be doing some sort of restoration in the near future and will be using your notes. I sure wished there was something I could help you out with, so it would not be just a one way street...

Thanks Dave
 
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Redbug said:
Thanks a lot for the detailed reply FarmWithJunk on your painting setup. I printed your reply out on my printer to squirrel away for reference. I will most likely be doing some sort of restoration in the near future and will be using your notes. I sure wished there was something I could help you out with, so it would not be just a one way street...

Thanks Dave


I believe in the "pay it forward" principle. Do a favor for someone. They can do one for someone else. Just keep that up and the entire world is a better place.
 
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Another chain in the link is complete! The depth bands are on, along with the disc opener scrapers. Depth bands are the "gauge wheels" attached to the sides of the disc openers. They help to maintain a constant seed depth as well as to slightly firm the soil on each side of the opener. The scrapers keep sticky soils from building up on the depth band or disc opener.

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FWJ, excellent information and attention to detail. As you stated, JD Flex planters (70, 71) have been used for many years. Many of the ag research and early generation seed increase programs have used these units as a base on which to build specialized planting units. The seed program I was associated with (prior to retirement) used a gang of 6 JD71 planters with Almaco seed cones (instead of seed cans) tripped by electronic solenoids to plant seed from single heads or plants in short (10 - 20 foot) rows for breeder seed production and variety evaluation. The result was 6 rows in a block, each row having a seed from a different genetic source.

First picture is the planting crew and planter on the back of a JD4030 tractor. Each person feeds seed from pre-measured packets into 2 of the 6 cones. Each packet holds seed from a unique head or plant. The crops we worked with included small grains, grasses and dry edible beans. Row length is determined by the gearing in the planter unit which controls the relationship between one cone revolution and the distance traveled.

Second picture is the planter unit being rebuilt. The planter units, solenoid control panel, push button unit and one cone are shown. We took a lot of pride in this unit but your attention to paint and restoration far exceeded what we were able to do. Thanks again for your posting.
 

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GV40U said:
FWJ, excellent information and attention to detail. As you stated, JD Flex planters (70, 71) have been used for many years. Many of the ag research and early generation seed increase programs have used these units as a base on which to build specialized planting units. The seed program I was associated with (prior to retirement) used a gang of 6 JD71 planters with Almaco seed cones (instead of seed cans) tripped by electronic solenoids to plant seed from single heads or plants in short (10 - 20 foot) rows for breeder seed production and variety evaluation. The result was 6 rows in a block, each row having a seed from a different genetic source.

First picture is the planting crew and planter on the back of a JD4030 tractor. Each person feeds seed from pre-measured packets into 2 of the 6 cones. Each packet holds seed from a unique head or plant. The crops we worked with included small grains, grasses and dry edible beans. Row length is determined by the gearing in the planter unit which controls the relationship between one cone revolution and the distance traveled.

Second picture is the planter unit being rebuilt. The planter units, solenoid control panel, push button unit and one cone are shown. We took a lot of pride in this unit but your attention to paint and restoration far exceeded what we were able to do. Thanks again for your posting.

Not only is that very interesting, your photos served a purpose. I got a great idea from looking at the "seat frame". I'm working on a plan to mount a fertilizer box off of another Deere planter and needed a good strong platform to mount it.

About 20 years ago, I visited a Pioneer Seed Corn production facility in Northern Indiana. They had a similar planter to yours. I was trying to recall details of the way it was built.

Thanks!

Bill
 
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How do you control the depth on early model 70 planter without the "link"? Instead of the link, I have a cam at the lower end of the spring. JDparts.com shows it as part d10045. The 70 planter operator manual b25021b I just bought only shows the depth control using the link or depth bands. I have neither. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
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If you're still monitoring this thread, I am looking at a JD-70 in great condition. Can this rig sow pumpkin seeds at 24 inch spacing in the row? Or can it "hill drop" 2-3 pumpkin seeds every 50 inches?- Jim
 
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With the correct plate and sprocket combination it could. If you can find a blank plate or make some, you can cut your own notches for just about any spacing and seed arrangement.
 
 

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