6 Tornado myths

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patrick_g

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Howdy from deep in the heart of Tornado Alley where we grow our own tornadoes. I got these 6 tornado myths from State Farm. I think they have enough experience with tornadoes through their claims to know what the real deal is. It is in their best interests to tell you what reduces the probability of injury/damage.

Myth 1:*Opening windows equalizes air pressure and helps prevent the roof from being ripped off.
Fact:*This act does little or nothing to prevent damage and wastes precious minutes in an emergency.
Tip:*The powerful winds of a tornado can shatter windows. Help avoid injuries caused by flying, broken glass by taking shelter in a windowless room.

Myth 2:*Taking shelter under an overpass during a tornado will protect me.
Fact:*Overpasses and bridges can actually concentrate airflow from a tornado and become dangerous "wind tunnels." Hiding under an overpass may subject you to severe injuries from flying debris or even cause you to be blown out into the storm itself.
Tip:*While not an ideal solution, it may be safer to find a low spot, such as a ditch, and lie face down with your hands covering your head.

Myth 3:*The safest place to hide in a storm is the southwest corner of the basement.
Fact: A corner is often safer than against the middle of a long wall, which may be vulnerable to collapse in a tornado. A better bet is to gather in a small, windowless interior room on the lowest floor in a home.
Tip:*Protect yourself from flying and falling debris by taking shelter under a heavy desk, mattress or sturdy stairwell.

Myth 4:*Tornadoes are easy to spot.
Fact:*A tornado may not be visible until it has picked up sufficient dirt and debris. Waiting to take shelter until you can actually see a funnel cloud puts you at risk.
Tip:*Listen to weather reports for tornado warnings. A warning tells you a tornado has been spotted on radar or visually and that you should seek shelter immediately.

Myth 5:*I could outrun a tornado in my car.
Fact:*It's never a good idea to try. The average ground speed of a tornado is 30 mph, but its winds can exceed 200 mph. Even if you're able to stay ahead of the funnel cloud, you could find yourself driving through drenching downpours and flying debris. You might also encounter downed power lines, trees, and other dangerous obstacles in the road.
Tip:*While it does not recommend escaping a tornado by car, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) says if you are in open country and the tornado is distant, it may be possible to drive out of harm's way. After detecting the direction of the storm's movement, drive at a right angle away from the tornado.

Myth 6:*Tornadoes never strike here.
Fact:*While some areas have a greater likelihood of tornadoes, these dangerous storms have occurred in every state in the U.S., in both urban and rural areas, and over land, mountains, and water. Never assume a particular location will be spared and always heed tornado warnings when they are issued.
Tip:*Even if tornadoes are rare in your area, develop an emergency plan and practice it with your family.

More information about staying safe during a tornado is available from the*National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)*and the*American Red Cross.

Don't let superstition, myths, and what this or that good ole boy said keep you from doing what you need to do to be safe.

Pat
 
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Thanks for posting Patrick_g.. I am 57 and have never actually seen one of the things in person.. I have been very near them, but it is always been so dark and the rain coming down so hard, that it has been impossible to actually see anything. I have seen plenty of the aftermath.

James K0UA
 
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Good tips. Living in the NE we don't see them often, but I've been through one in VT of all places, and hiding in the basement as quickly as possible is very good advice. We lost every tree, 2 cars and part of our roof, but luckily escaped any injuries to us our our animals!
 
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Thanks for posting Patrick_g.. I am 57 and have never actually seen one of the things in person.. I have been very near them, but it is always been so dark and the rain coming down so hard, that it has been impossible to actually see anything. I have seen plenty of the aftermath.

James K0UA

James, My mom was born and raised in Oklahoma aka tornado alley but the only tornado she ever saw was in Lima, Ohio. Some folks don't realize there have been tornadoes in every state, including Alaska and Hawaii. Tornadoes can strike in any month, not just in "tornado season."

One of the myths listed mentions basement corners. Depends on your basement but most basements do have stairs and in the basement under the stairs is a pretty good place as the stairs are strong and will offer protection from debris you might not have in a corner.

My basement is a walkout basement with oodles of glass in the south wall. Since it has a heavily reinforced concrete ceiling (a mat of rebar plus monolithic beams on 24 inch centers with pairs of 1 inch rebar ) the ceiling is secure. To be safe in my basement you need to get out of sight of the glass. A good way to do that is to enter the guest bedroom there and close the interior steel shutters over the window and close the HD steel door and lock the three deadbolts.

Our ground floor master suite is a safe room as it is constructed of ICF with 8 inches of steel reinforced concrete in the walls and more in the ceiling. The master bedroom and bath both have interior steel storm shutters which if the weather warrants we close and secure. We then turn off our NOAA weather radio and get a good night's sleep uninterrupted by dire warnings about the weather and the need to go to shelter.

Another good tip is to know where you can shelter if need be when you are out and about. Many municipal buildings were constructed during the cold war and have spaces that were designated for civil defense bomb shelters. These are handy for tornado shelters. Our local high school has an underground shelter which to deter vandalism is kept locked so is unavailable when school is not in session.

Having grown up around folks who had a passing interest in tornado survival but little or no verifiable scientifically valid information I heard a lot of junk regarding tornado weather, the color of the sky, favored direction of travel of tornadoes, tornado season and on and on most of which was bunk. FEMA promulgates the real deal. the nation's severe weather center for NOAA is located at Norman, Oklahoma just 40 miles or so from me. They know more about severe weather than anyone else you can think of.

Here is an interesting statistic from them:

The odds of a residential structure receiving significant tornadic damage in the region referred to as tornado alley is on the order of once per 4,000 years. Why then do I concern myself? Well, what if this is our year? Also, even though the odds of being hit by a tornado is not too great the result of being hit if you are is deadly to people and devastating to traditional stick built structures.

Other low probability dangers include being killed my an asteroid/meteor, about 1 in 700,000. or by lightning, 576,000 to one. Recent lottery winner was hit by lightning. Note: the odds of being hit by lightning are much greater than winning the lottery.

Odds of being murdered: 18,000 to 1, Odds of being the victim of serious crime in your lifetime: 20 to 1. Looks to me the odds argue strongly in favor of needing means of self protection such as a concealed firearm.

Pat AF5CK
 
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Looks to me the odds argue strongly in favor of needing means of self protection such as a concealed firearm.

Pat AF5CK

From a post about Tornadoes to concealed handgun justification in 1.2 seconds.... lol. :laughing:
 
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From a post about Tornadoes to concealed handgun justification in 1.2 seconds.... lol. :laughing:

I didn't start to say anything about self protection gunwise but... it just sort of hit me we are always hearing about being lightning safe, tornado safe, etc. BUT when you look at the odds of these events it makes you wonder. The odds of being a serious crime victim is much much more likely than being hit by lightning or killed by lightning which is extremely low probability.

I'm all for lightning safety. As a ham I have lightning rods (antennas) connected to my indoor equipment by nice heavy wires (coax) so I am interested. I live in the heart of tornado alley so I am interested but the odds of being killed by lightning (although greater for me than the average person) is way way less than being the victim of a serious crime. So to respond properly to reality I need to spend more effort preparing to avoid being a crime victim than preparing for tornadoes or lightning. Luckily I am well prepared in all the above but plenty of citizens are not prepared to defend themselves against being a victim of serious crime and the Government emphasis remains solely on storms, lightning, and such not on prevention of the much more likely danger.

I think this political correctness is fostered and supported by groups with an agenda in mind and safety of the public isn't it.

Patrick
 
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I didn't start to say anything about self protection gunwise but... it just sort of hit me we are always hearing about being lightning safe, tornado safe, etc. BUT when you look at the odds of these events it makes you wonder. The odds of being a serious crime victim is much much more likely than being hit by lightning or killed by lightning which is extremely low probability.

I'm all for lightning safety. As a ham I have lightning rods (antennas) connected to my indoor equipment by nice heavy wires (coax) so I am interested. I live in the heart of tornado alley so I am interested but the odds of being killed by lightning (although greater for me than the average person) is way way less than being the victim of a serious crime. So to respond properly to reality I need to spend more effort preparing to avoid being a crime victim than preparing for tornadoes or lightning. Luckily I am well prepared in all the above but plenty of citizens are not prepared to defend themselves against being a victim of serious crime and the Government emphasis remains solely on storms, lightning, and such not on prevention of the much more likely danger.

I think this political correctness is fostered and supported by groups with an agenda in mind and safety of the public isn't it.

Patrick

Sounds like we have a lot in common.:)
Tractors, amateur radio, guns, political beliefs.
have you noticed what seems like an extra ordinary amount of hams on this forum? the ratio to the general population is very low, but there are a bunch of us here. Most don't post their callsigns, but they are here none the less

James K0UA
 
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Being a Ham does tie into be a survivalist/ does it not? the other stuff listed fits with it. I don't broadcast , but I have friends that do.
 
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Being a Ham does tie into be a survivalist/ does it not? the other stuff listed fits with it. I don't broadcast , but I have friends that do.

Actually there was a recent TV show where survivalists and a ham were interviewed. The ham made it clear he and his hobby were there to make contributions to disaster management and civil emergency communications assistance but were otherwise virtually totally distinct from what is thought as survivalist.

I strongly concur. It is two separate things and I for one strongly oppose the erroneous idea that hams are by their activities and capabilities somehow aligned with what is traditionally thought of as survivalist.

Where survival and hams overlap on the Venn diagram is where hams volunteer their time, abilities, expertise and equipment to assist with emergency communications. In doing this they might help folks SURVIVE.

Any connection between "SURVIVALIST" groups and hams is purely coincidental but it is conceivable that a survivalist could get a ham lisc. Lots of folks have been able to get a lisc. I talked to a lady lawyer ham at Jonestown a few months prior to the Koolaid party, sort of the antithesis of survival, huh?.

Patrick AF5CK
 
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Actually there was a recent TV show where survivalists and a ham were interviewed. The ham made it clear he and his hobby were there to make contributions to disaster management and civil emergency communications assistance but were otherwise virtually totally distinct from what is thought as survivalist.

I strongly concur. It is two separate things and I for one strongly oppose the erroneous idea that hams are by their activities and capabilities somehow aligned with what is traditionally thought of as survivalist.

Where survival and hams overlap on the Venn diagram is where hams volunteer their time, abilities, expertise and equipment to assist with emergency communications. In doing this they might help folks SURVIVE.

Any connection between "SURVIVALIST" groups and hams is purely coincidental but it is conceivable that a survivalist could get a ham lisc. Lots of folks have been able to get a lisc. I talked to a lady lawyer ham at Jonestown a few months prior to the Koolaid party, sort of the antithesis of survival, huh?.

Patrick AF5CK

Agree 100%.. by the way I tried to find an old QSL card from a contact at Jonestown, but was unable.. but I did find their logbook. on line at some FBI site once. I downloaded it but could not find my qso in it. but I havent looked through all of it. It is photocopied page by page, and some of the operators had pretty bad hand writeing, so it is hard to go through. What a needless tragedy. I did not think much about the contact back all those years ago.

James K0UA
 
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Nowhere in that article can you find any information on how to protect your tractor in a tornado :confused:
 
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Nowhere in that article can you find any information on how to protect your tractor in a tornado :confused:

Not sure why a Montana owner would be interested given the throw away nature of their equipment and any effort spent trying to safeguard it would exceed the value of the protected equipment.

OK, so I'm a little late for April fool's day... Actually I have a friend with a Montana and I was quite impressed with the cost/feature ratio. It seemed too good to be true and apparently was as since they gained popularity the price went up dramatically. Still good machines just not such a fantastic cost, more in line with Kubota and other good machines.

Protection of life first and then property second, OK? Now as to the top of the priority list for property might be your nice Montana. When you build your above ground shelter make it big enough to also hold your tractor. Have a walk out (Tractor drive-in) basement. Insure it for all the company will allow - replacement value no deductible and then buy a small used trailer house to park near your tractor. As is obvious to even the most casual observer, tornadoes are attracted to trailer houses. The tornado will swoop on the trailer and destroy your tractor but you get a nice new shiny one.

Alternatively if you have totally bonded with your machine, then park the trailer as far from your tractor as possible and lure the tornadoes away from it.

Pat AF5CK
 
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Nowhere in that article can you find any information on how to protect your tractor in a tornado :confused:

There's a sure fire way that works every time - a good insurance policy :D
 
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I am 57 and have never actually seen one of the things in person..

You just don't know what you've missed, but you can be thankful that you've missed it.:laughing: We left Dallas the morning of July 1, 1972, enroute to Alaska and that afternoon, we got to see a tornado in the Texas panhandle. It was coming straight at us, and I was driving a 3/4 ton Chevy pickup, pulling a 25' travel trailer and we were in the flat wide open spaces without so much as a borrow ditch. We were going west on U.S. 87 west of Dumas and the tornado was south of us and coming north. My wife was hysterical and I was scared out of my wits, but there was nothing we could do. For some reason that tornado turned east before it go to us. And I hope to never get that good a look at one again.
 
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You just don't know what you've missed, but you can be thankful that you've missed it.:laughing: We left Dallas the morning of July 1, 1972, enroute to Alaska and that afternoon, we got to see a tornado in the Texas panhandle. It was coming straight at us, and I was driving a 3/4 ton Chevy pickup, pulling a 25' travel trailer and we were in the flat wide open spaces without so much as a borrow ditch. We were going west on U.S. 87 west of Dumas and the tornado was south of us and coming north. My wife was hysterical and I was scared out of my wits, but there was nothing we could do. For some reason that tornado turned east before it go to us. And I hope to never get that good a look at one again.

Jeez Bird that sounds scary.. maybe I am lucky to have missed always missed them. The one that came thru Branson a few weeks ago I was 200 hundred miles away. Not that it came thru my place anyway, the wife was home and she said it got a bit windy, but no damage at all.

James K0UA
 
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Jeez Bird that sounds scary.. maybe I am lucky to have missed always missed them. The one that came thru Branson a few weeks ago I was 200 hundred miles away. Not that it came thru my place anyway, the wife was home and she said it got a bit windy, but no damage at all.

James K0UA

Jim, I don't think there's hardly any way a person can describe what a tornado can do. Yes, that one I saw terrified me, but didn't harm us. But then on Oct. 17, 1998, I was on our volunteer fire department and went to the results of a tornado on State Highway 31 a couple of miles east of Silver City. A double wide mobile properly installed and anchored was blown away by a tornado. The twisted steel frames for the two halves were probably a hundred yards apart and a couple of hundred yards from where they had been. The family had all still been asleep that morning. The man of the family was dead in the creek a couple of hundred yards behind where the house had been. The woman was in a field on the other side of the creek, one little boy was sitting in the front yard and the other two were in the pasture. The woman and 3 little boys spent quite a bit of time in the hospital, but all 4 survived. We rounded up a number of family photos from the pasture and things of that sort, but other than the two twisted steel frames, I did not find a single piece of lumber or sheetrock or other material as big as a two foot 2 x 4. And to make it even more unbelievable, there was a corrugated sheet metal shed, open on two sides, maybe 15' square across the driveway from the house, maybe 20-25' away from the house. There were rabbits in cages and a horse in that shed and they were completely undisturbed. There were no other homes close and no other damage anywhere. It's just absolutely incredible what tornados do. (And when the place was rebuilt, it was a site built house instead of manufactured or mobile, and I noticed they built a "safe room" into it.)

You might find The 1957 Dallas Tornado to be interesting reading. I later worked with one of the survivors who was quite a character. He said he, his wife, their 2 little boys, and the dog were all under a bed with him and the dog trying to dig a foxhole in a hardwood floor with their finger nails when the tornado blew their house completely away, and left the bed they were under. Everything was gone except that bed and none of those under it were even injured. (Incidentally, when they rebuit the house, he had a bomb shelter installed in the back yard).
 
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Yes even the one that came thru Branson did some strange things, just in the space of hwy76, (and those of you that have been to branson know how narrow that little road is) you have buildings totally destroyed on one side and unhurt on the other.

James K0UA
 
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There was an engineer's two story house in Norman completely blown away by a tornado (last year?). Nothing left but the slab. He had all the extra straps, extra bolts in the foundation, etc. None of it helped save the house.

They were all in the storm shelter and were ok.
 
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Some-times, the path is only a couple hundred yards wide..Slabs stripped here and the windows of other homes are not broken on both sides of it. Trailers or prefabs just do not do well in tornados??
 
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I've seen 2 and I'll pass if given the chance, only "predictable " thing is they are un-predictable. Last one, Got my family underground and got to hear huge hail 3"-4", beat the door and ground so hard you couldn't hear each other yell. Sucked my ball cap off when I was closing the door, never found it. Then it went and ended up taking an old fella that had taken refuse in a bathtub, carried him like 200 yards, never heard if he pulled through.
 

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