4wd tractor vs 2wd

[troutsqueezer]

I mean isn't it the people's responsiblity to stand up for what is just, and right, take a stand against deceit, and corruption ? I know God, I know the Bible, and I know people have a responsiblity to obey laws, but it is also written, that corruption would take place in these places, and that we should discern what is really right, and what is really wrong. The devil takes people under his control who are willing to do his bidding, that includeds rulers, pastors, churchs, and institutions. Did't prayer use to be in school ? What is all this " In God we Trust " on the dollar bills ? Or " One Nation under God, in the visible ? " You can put God's name on anything, but it doesn't make it so. One of the ten commandments says, " Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain " That is exactly what is being done, when people serve money instead of God. The love of money is the root of all evil. I mean if you put God's name on something, you better make sure, he approves, or there will be severe consequences.. " For the Lord thy God will not hold the person blamless who takes his name in vain " GD, by the way is not the only way to show disrespect for God's name. When someone claims to know Jesus Christ, they are taking responsiblity for a representitive of God, if they do corruptly, God will reveal his dissapproval. God is not a respect of persons. Look at all the bloodshed in ******. God's wrath has been on them ever since they had the Romans crucify Jesus. The Romans trampled their city to ruins, the Holocaust, the constant violence overthere today. There is allkinds of bloodshed. I mean is this what God wants ? No one is what God is, that is why he is to be feared, and respected. God is greater than ourselves, that is why we are to respect him as such. God is not some small man, like a president, God is an Almighty Creator, who made the Heavens, and the Earth, the stars, and the Universe, The Mountains, and the Seas, the woodlands, the meadows, the fields, and the Eagle.. I mean, people can't speak this into existence. There is no comparison, so God is to be feared. The wisest man of the Old Testament, King Solomon, said at the end of this life, his conclusion, was to fear God, and keep his commandments.. this is the whole duty of man.

Dude, I don't mind reading a lengthy and well thought out argument about anything, but when it's all jammed together with no regard to paragraph structure and way too long....I skip it (as I have all of your posts on this thread) and move on to a properly formatted post. :confused2:

I'm only posting this for your benefit. If you want people to read what you wrote, take a little time to organize your writing and thoughts.

 

[rback33]

And religion and politics are not allowed to be discussed on TBN either....

 

[ShannonCole888]

As for 2wd,or 4wd tractor. I will likely go with a 2wd tractor. I believe, I would be pretty content with that, but it is hard to tell what tomorrow brings.I could really go with a Belgian draft horse, but it would just take so much longer to plow, and get the land ready, and with work, it would just be hard to get done. If farming was all I did, then it probably would be a serious option.

 

[ShannonCole888]

I use to be concerned with format in my writings, but I have learned that stressing my point, for no regard for proper format, reflects the stress, and strain in my voice, therefore pointing out the severity of its importance, and the theme " Time is running out " characteristic that helps reflect the need to take action immediately, and respond if reprocusions are to be avoided, if at this time, I declare there is any desire, and hope to save this country people might be provoked to take action, before it is too late, and there is no remedy for healing..

 

[SixHoeBob]

Oh my goodness, what happened to the topic of the original thread??

Forget the original topic, I think we are onto something here....:laughing:

 

[SixHoeBob]

As for 2wd,or 4wd tractor. I will likely go with a 2wd tractor. I believe, I would be pretty content with that, but it is hard to tell what tomorrow brings.I could really go with a Belgian draft horse, but it would just take so much longer to plow, and get the land ready, and with work, it would just be hard to get done. If farming was all I did, then it probably would be a serious option.

Nope, you must stand for what is right. A 2wd tractor will burn some kind of oil. The only way to know where your fuel came from is to grow it yourself.

One Belgian will get lonely, you better get two.

D.E.P does not set the price of the septic systems. They dictate the level of treatment of the effluent discharged into the ground. Meeting the requirements set forth by D.E.P. governs the price.

How dare you say the government is corrupt and raping the taxpayers. That would be like saying the Earth is round and it orbits the sun! It just isn't!

 

[SixHoeBob]

O.K. I have the answer. Drill two wells deep enough to find a good supply of water in each well. Pump drinking water out of one. Discharge the septic tank effluent into the other.

Dang, D.E.P. will have a canary.

Thanks to Google earth, townships are now able to track new construction.
A computer compares the satellite images and if a new building appears, the computer alerts the township

 

[SixHoeBob]

Did you not watch the 14x14 solar cabin video. Shannon Cole simply wishes to be a free man, and harm no one in the process. He is a rare man indeed. Give me liberty, or give me death. And, if you want a warm shower in an outhouse, move to the bottom floor, .

Shannon, you should ask the administrator to move the cabin construction part of your thread over to the projects. You will get much more valuable input. I wish you much success.

I like to take a ten minute shower, twice a day.

At your suggestion, I watched the video. It is an interesting idea, but I don't think it will catch on with the general population.

Why not by a used mobile home?

 

[ShannonCole888]

I just used the Solar Cabin video as an example, I was using the aspect of how he only used around $2,000.00 to build it. I believe I could manage to build a 20ft-30ft Cabin, roughly with about $15,000.00. I have already did the math. Anyways, the situation with the debt ceiling, I mean how can people not sensibly think, that certain people are doing this on purpose. Borrowing money from China to fund a war ? Taking money from citizens, while using the money to go to war ? I heard some expert saying, it was mathmatically impossible to pay the debt, and that the debt would result in default, and lead to war. The other option was to raise the debt ceiling, and prolong a catastrophic collapse, to usher in a NWO. Something is seriously wrong, I mean how can responsbile leadership make such blinding decisions ? Corruption ! If people care about what is right, and doing what is right, then they would repent, and take the necessary steps to do their part in doing what is right. I believe this is the appropriate place for these discussions. Common people, dealing with Globalizing America.

 

[tractorboy5500]

As for 2wd,or 4wd tractor. I will likely go with a 2wd tractor. I believe, I would be pretty content with that, but it is hard to tell what tomorrow brings.I could really go with a Belgian draft horse, but it would just take so much longer to plow, and get the land ready, and with work, it would just be hard to get done. If farming was all I did, then it probably would be a serious option.

At least the Belgian draft horse wont get stuck. :laughing:

 

[ShannonCole888]

They can get stuck in mud, but it probably isn't as common as a tractor might. Horses need care, and if it is managable probably might be the more feesable route. However a dependable feeding, and diet are essential. Horses have to have space to move around, and shelter. The thing that is a common burden is the annual vet bill. I don't know from experience, but what I understand it can be a hassel, and costly.

 

[zimbo]

If your going to be puling a trailer, mower etc, then 2wd will be perfect. If you plan on any ground engaging work, go 4wd, Easy.

If your not sure what your going to do, have a look at the newer tractors in your area, and get something similar.
Alternatively you could buy a MF 135 from a neighbour, it will do pretty much anything you want, and if you decide you don't like it after a while you could sell it and get a new one.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Alternatively you could buy a MF 135 from a neighbour, it will do pretty much anything you want, and if you decide you don't like it after a while you could sell it and get a new one.

WAY to simple.

 

[ShannonCole888]

I like the Massey Ferguson 2605 2wd pretty well. It has 38hp, 32 PTO, weighs about 4,080 lbs, has goodyear ag tires. Has a 3pt hitch lift capacity of about 3,100 lbs, basic, and simple design. It cost about $11,000.00-$12,000.00, and there isn't hardly any other tractors suitable for the type of work I plan on doing around that price for new. The other tractors about in it's class,and price range new are the Kubota MX4700, MX5100, John Deere 5045d, New Holland workmaster 45, 55, Case IH Farmall 45A, 55A, and a maybe a few others. These all come in 2wd, weigh close to the same, and have about the same 3pt lift capacity. Some offer different transmissions, and things like differential lock. I looked at lighter, and smaller tractors but, they were actually more costly. Like the Massey Ferguson 1600 series, Kubota L series, John Deere 3000,4000 series, Northern tool tractors, these had 4wd, some had more hp, but they were lighter. They offer Shuttle transmissions, hydro transmission, etc.. They cost anywhere from $19,000.00-$37,000.00 roughly

 

[ShannonCole888]

Used tractors offer a broader variety, and are probably in good condition now, but several years down, the road, parts, may be difficult to locate. They however have been proven reliable, and useful. Like the Little Grey Fergie TE20, MF 25,30,35,65 MF 130, 135, 165, MF 231, etc... Farmall Super M, Farmall Cub, Allis Chalmers, Ford 3000,4000,5000,7000, Case tractors, International tractors, Oliver tractors, Old John Deere tractors

 

[Travis_R]

Used tractors offer a broader variety, and are probably in good condition now, but several years down, the road, parts, may be difficult to locate. They however have been proven reliable, and useful. Like the Little Grey Fergie TE20, MF 25,30,35,65 MF 130, 135, 165, MF 231, etc... Farmall Super M, Farmall Cub, Allis Chalmers, Ford 3000,4000,5000,7000, Case tractors, International tractors, Oliver tractors, Old John Deere tractors

Have you considered the 25 series from Mahindra? Like the 3825, 4025, or 4525? These are all 2WD tractors that pack a LOT of punch!... I used to own a '97 Mahindra 485 DI. I love my Massey Ferguson, but wish I'd NEVER sold the Mahindra.

They are very tough and reliable tractors. If I was to go buy a new Mahindra tomorrow, it would probably be the 4525.

Regardless, Massey Ferguson and Mahindra are all I'd buy. Period.

 

[ShannonCole888]

I had looked at them, but I like the Massey Ferguson I believe better. Haven't operated both, but I like the Massey Ferguson.

 

[Johno Geo]

I have a compact with turf tires and 4wd
Also a Utility Tractor with R-4s and 4 wd.
I do not farm and use both tractors for
Brush cutting,Grading and snow removal and utility work.
2wd vs 4 wd is like night and day, IMHO.
You can show videos til the cows come home.... No comparison!

 

[ShannonCole888]

I have seen enough to not, feel I need 4wd on a tractor. If I had a loader on it,maybe. If it was properly ballasted maybe.If had experience on both, and believed the 4wd was the way to go, maybe. However 2wd tractors have proven themselves enough to me, so I don't know about needing 4wd.