3pt stuff for your Loader.

[mike69440]

In response to:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/371960-back-dragging-fel-bucket.html

 

[Fallon]

I made one of those without the extra rollback. Loved it. Initially built it to be the mount for my snow plow, hooks heald the frame, chain to the top hook for float.

Ended up using it a lot for other stuff. Picking up the flail & flipping it to service the knives was easy. Made loading some implements easy too. Ended up putting my trailer mover on it rather than my 3pt whenever I had to shuffle one of my or my friends many trailers around.

Need to build me another one now that my original ran off with the old tractor & plow.

 

[fried1765]

In response to:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/371960-back-dragging-fel-bucket.html

I like the concept, but how does it attach to the loader bucket?

 

[mike69440]

I like the concept, but how does it attach to the loader bucket?

You remove your Skid steer compatible Quick Attach bucket, and mount the 3Pt QA adapter to your loader. The attach your 3 Pt implement to the loader instead of the 3t Hitch.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/k...el-bucket.html
Look at the pictures in the post.

 

[mike69440]

Re: 3pt QUICK HITCH WITH ANGLED QA for your Loader. PARTS LIST AND DRAWING

3pt QUICK HITCH WITH ANGLED QA for your Loader. PARTS LIST AND DRAWING.

 

[ovrszd]

Although very cool, I can't think of a need for it. I have 24 attachments/implements, maybe half are 3pt items. I can't think of a single need for putting one of those on the FEL. I'm wide open to new ideas though!!!! With pics of course!!!!

 

[CADplans]

Although very cool, I can't think of a need for it. I have 24 attachments/implements, maybe half are 3pt items. I can't think of a single need for putting one of those on the FEL. I'm wide open to new ideas though!!!! With pics of course!!!!

I will build it next week,,, weather permitting?
I will put my 7 foot blade on the front,, for snow plowing,,,

This blade, turned around, should make snow plowing easier on my neck,,,

Anything will be better than back here.

My build will have the HF QH pivoting at the bottom, and use about a foot of chain at the top,,, for "float"

I already have everything,, just a little assembly is needed,,,

 

[ovrszd]

Go for it.

 

[ishiboo]

Although very cool, I can't think of a need for it. I have 24 attachments/implements, maybe half are 3pt items. I can't think of a single need for putting one of those on the FEL. I'm wide open to new ideas though!!!! With pics of course!!!!

I can see some scenarios where a landscape rake would work GREAT on the FEL. Also decent if you had to move attachments around frequently.

 

[countrybumpkin]

I've used a blade on mine for pushing dirt off the trailer. I've wondered how well it would work for snow, if we get any I may try it and see.

 

[mike69440]

Although very cool, I can't think of a need for it. I have 24 attachments/implements, maybe half are 3pt items. I can't think of a single need for putting one of those on the FEL. I'm wide open to new ideas though!!!! With pics of course!!!!

The 3PT stuff on the loader should prove handy. Such implements like Box Blade, Back Blade, Landscape rake, Carry-all and Man lift.

For float, I was planning to just use two Top Link adapters or something I'll make myself. I'll let the Implement rotate in the bottom hooks. I may makeup something with a chain and post, so that the length of chain is adjustable. My head is hurting trying to figure out what will work best, so the best way is to wait till it is built, and then figure it out.

With a heavy tractor and strong loader, float will be necessary with many implements so not to wreak havoc on the implements.

 

[Fallon]

When roading to some mowing & driveway maintnance jobs I put the box blade on the loader instead of the bucket. That was it's 1 trip over the road & no need to load/unload from a trailer. Mostly drop the mower to put the box on the back to work though.

Use the SSQA to 3pt to do maintenance on the flail at a nice working height rather than crawling underneath too.

 

[rScotty]

The 3PT stuff on the loader should prove handy. Such implements like Box Blade, Back Blade, Landscape rake, Carry-all and Man lift.

For float, I was planning to just use two Top Link adapters or something I'll make myself. I'll let the Implement rotate in the bottom hooks. I may makeup something with a chain and post, so that the length of chain is adjustable. My head is hurting trying to figure out what will work best, so the best way is to wait till it is built, and then figure it out.

With a heavy tractor and strong loader, float will be necessary with many implements so not to wreak havoc on the implements.

I can't wait to see it. In fact, I'm with you; I'm going to try front mounting too. I started to do so a decade ago and even bought a SSQA to cat II 3 point adapter, but for some reason only tried it a few times and never did really do anything with it. So there the adapter sits in my tool pile, just waiting for a chance to do something.

I hear you about the advantages of front mounts. And agree that the big one is not having to constantly be turning around in the seat and crane our necks looking back to see what the 3 pt implement is up to. Comfortable seating is a big advantage for an old body.
At the least it ought to be a more accurate way to use top-dressing implements like rakes and blades. The big difference I see it that it loads the top link in tension rather than compression. But that should be better, too.

As for float, don't most tractors with loaders already have a float position as part of the hydraulic control for the loader arms? Wouldn't that work? Just thinking about it, my impression is that floating the arms would work better than floating the bucket pivot anyway. It would give you some weight on the implement.

But I'm still wondering why you want to build extended roll-back angle into the adapter? Can you elaborate on that? My old one is parallel.
Thanks,
rScotty

 

[downsizingnow48]

I made one with a small amount of rollback. I use it mainly with a trailer mover for moving my dump trailer, but also for parking implements. It is very handy for a yard rake also. I used a Titan ssqa plate and a HF QA. Under $200. Welded and painted in a few hours. Commercial versions go for in the neighborhood of $1000.

 

[coldsteelva]

Careful with those front mounted 3-point blades; as they have no trip feature, you could impart some serious force on your cylinders and FEL arms if you aren't careful.

 

[ovrszd]

Careful with those front mounted 3-point blades; as they have no trip feature, you could impart some serious force on your cylinders and FEL arms if you aren't careful.

Couple years ago I converted an old Meyer truck snow blade to fit SSQA. No trip feature. I only used it a couple times on the FEL before adding 3pt brackets and putting it on the rear. I use it with patience and caution. If doing it again I would rebuild and salvage the trip feature. I also built the swivel mechanism on a solid shaft, no chains and/or flexibility. I wouldn't do that again either.

So, yes, put a 3pt rear blade on your FEL and in float position you are putting a lot of weight on the blade cutting edge. To "jump" an obstacle it has to lift itself plus half of the weight of your FEL frame. As the old TV show Lost in Space would say "Danger Will Robinson".....

 

[rScotty]

Couple years ago I converted an old Meyer truck snow blade to fit SSQA. No trip feature. I only used it a couple times on the FEL before adding 3pt brackets and putting it on the rear. I use it with patience and caution. If doing it again I would rebuild and salvage the trip feature. I also built the swivel mechanism on a solid shaft, no chains and/or flexibility. I wouldn't do that again either.

So, yes, put a 3pt rear blade on your FEL and in float position you are putting a lot of weight on the blade cutting edge. To "jump" an obstacle it has to lift itself plus half of the weight of your FEL frame. As the old TV show Lost in Space would say "Danger Will Robinson".....

Good points. Hmmm....I wonder just how much of the front mount options we're discussing depend on how we got here? For example, trucks move fast when they are pushing a Meyer snow blade and of course they need trip mechanisms. But by comparison even a big construction tractor moves quite slowly when it is doing dirt work. It would be nice for a dirt blade to be able to float over an immoveable obstacle but also it needs to be able to shear.

I'm thinking that using a 3 pt on the front is not only a nifty idea, but it's still in its infancy. Using a front loader this way is sure going to test the strength of a lot of front loader arms and cylinders.
As you say, "patience and caution".

good luck beats good planning,
rScotty

 

[countrybumpkin]

I defiantly would not recommend using a blade on the front and have the loader in float, that's a accident waiting to happen. If your going to use it for snow and such I would go with a true snow plow with a trip safety setup.

 

[ovrszd]

Good points. Hmmm....I wonder just how much of the front mount options we're discussing depend on how we got here? For example, trucks move fast when they are pushing a Meyer snow blade and of course they need trip mechanisms. But by comparison even a big construction tractor moves quite slowly when it is doing dirt work. It would be nice for a dirt blade to be able to float over an immoveable obstacle but also it needs to be able to shear.

I'm thinking that using a 3 pt on the front is not only a nifty idea, but it's still in its infancy. Using a front loader this way is sure going to test the strength of a lot of front loader arms and cylinders.
As you say, "patience and caution".

good luck beats good planning,
rScotty

Think about how a 3pt blade acts on the back of the tractor whether it's blading going forward or reverse the blade and work going backward?? When pushing a 3pt blade with the moldboard reversed and it hits an object the blade cuts downward and the chassis of the blade is lifted. Bad combination for an FEL frame.

As for speed, would you consider filling your FEL bucket at the same speed that you use to push snow??

Patience and caution indeed.

 

[mike69440]

Yes,

I have a Commercial Old Fisher snow plow with trip. Still, I have mashed int frozen boulders with my L39. I've broken plow, bent blow, QA etc. not the loader. Sure not good for it. but the loader sure is tough. I just got through rebuilding it.
Below explains why I want a bit of pre-built rollback angle.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/371960-back-dragging-fel-bucket.html

The 3PT on the FEL will be for light work, going slow, and moving 3 pt Stuff around, Cary all, man lift etc. My excavator has a dozer blade.