Backhoe 3pt backhoe to tractor "mis-match"

[Kaliburz]

3pt backhoe to tractor \"mis-match\"

Not sure if this is the right section to post in, but .... here I go.

I purchased an 'old' Kelley B-20 3pt hitch backhoe from a surplus equipment auction from the local school district. I converted the hydraulic system over to closed center for use on my John Deere tractors (older ones- 2240, 2640, 2030, 3020, etc).

Any how, I was going to try to mount it on my 2030 orchard/vineyard version tractor, and there is a problem. The seat on the backhoe looks as if it will hit the roll guard assembly on the tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif The 2030 has one of the collapsible guards, slides up and down and it's right behind the driver's seat (not the axle mounted roll guards). When I backed it up, the lift arms were about 1' away, and the seat was nearly right up against it...

I'm at a loss here. I recall this backhoe mounted on a tractor at the school and I don't recall the seat being that close, granted, it might have been. Heck, I used it when I was in school......some time ago.

Any suggestions to my problem? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif I don't want to remove the roll guard. I was thinking of making an adapter to mount onto the backhoe to get it moved back far enough to clear. The back hoe is the 3pt type where you remove the adjustable center link, as the unit has a ridgid set up once attatched. I'll try to post some pics when I get some time......

(I wonder if this is what I get for buying old, used and cheap.... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif)

 

[beenthere]

Re: 3pt backhoe to tractor \"mis-match\"

Do you remember what tractor the hoe was mounted to when you drove it at school?

I would think removing the ROPS would be the option I would take, as long as it isn't a pain and can (will) be replaced when the hoe is removed.

Pics would be great.

 

[Henro]

Re: 3pt backhoe to tractor \"mis-match\"

<font color="blue"> I would think removing the ROPS would be the option I would take, as long as it isn't a pain and can (will) be replaced when the hoe is removed. </font>

Additionally, removing the ROPS may have another advantage when using the backhoe on your 3PH...It won't be there to squash you if the backhoe somehow breaks off the 3PH for some unknown reason.

There have been deaths resulting from 3PH backhoes lifting off the 3PH and smashing the operator between the seat and the ROPS. My Kubota backhoe has a "limiter bar" which is there to keep the hoe from going up if the top-link attach point would fail. You may want to look at this kind of design for yours.

Also, my tractor has some additional brackets that bolt to the rear end and also to the loader frame. A sort of quasi sub frame I guess. There have been reports of tractors splitting in half, or trying to, when used with 3PH backhoes. Something to keep in mind...

Look forward to seeing some photos, by the way... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[KiotiJohn]

Re: 3pt backhoe to tractor \"mis-match\"

One thing that comes to my mind is that maybe you can adjust the hitch arms to give you more room? Many arms have adjustment holes in them to give different lift, maybe your's does? John

 

[OkieG]

Re: 3pt backhoe to tractor \"mis-match\"

<font color="blue"> There have been deaths resulting from 3PH backhoes lifting off the 3PH and smashing the operator between the seat and the ROPS. </font>

The image that conjures up gives me the shivers!

OkieG

 

[Kaliburz]

Re: 3pt backhoe to tractor \"mis-match\"

Now that is a scarry thought..... the top link connecting point breaking..... I don't think it will break, as the OEM link is removed for the use of the backhoe. The backhoe center link is adjustable, by selecting which holes would best work for it, but that is all. No extra position for the tractor lower arms.

Removing the roll bar would be a hassell. I'm the one who put it on, and I know how heavy it is and I would rather keep it on..... Even if I put down the guard, I'm thinking it'll hit still...... Roll guard is OEM, but an after thought type. It was offered as an option to having the axle mounted roll bar (axle mounted would not work in our application)

Maybe I'll use it on my 3020 instead. It's a much larger tractor.... and the arms "should" be long enough (it's a row crop tractor). But I'll post pic...rained this afternoon/early evening....so I took a nap /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Orginally, the school used this on a Case tractor. Don't recall the model, but it was one of the smaller ones, sized similarly to my 2030 (but not same HP).


Edit- I was looking at a PDF on Bushhog backhoes and those things are right up agains the tractor! I can see why using a backhoe on a JD w/ the new type roll guard may cause this issue I'm having....

 

[Kaliburz]

Re: 3pt backhoe to tractor \"mis-match\"

Well, I'd try to post pics, but my camera took too big of a file.....dang....and I don't know how to slim them down.

 

[Kaliburz]

Re: 3pt backhoe to tractor \"mis-match\"

All right.....found a program I had /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif to slim them to post.....

Here is the the backhoe.....

 

[Kaliburz]

Re: 3pt backhoe to tractor \"mis-match\"

Here is the tractor (this is the 2640....)

 

[Kaliburz]

Re: 3pt backhoe to tractor \"mis-match\"

And the proposed "adapter" to get the backhoe far enough back.....