2410 bucket weak?

[Anonymous Poster]

i have a kubota b2410, got about 50 hours on it. i have been happy with it except the front bucket dosent seem to be strong enough. i dont beat my equipment but i dont baby it eather.
i was wondering if any other owners had the same experience with there bucket, also a way of bracing the bucket i have so it dosent twist again?

 

[Knight9]

I have a B2410 with 100 hours on it now. I've used the loader a lot. I have yet to dent, twist or in anyway deflect the bucket. Did you get a light material bucket put on it by chance?

Kevin

 

[Anonymous Poster]

knight, i didnt think it was a light duty bucket, when i bought the tractor i ordered the loader and they delivered it installed. like i said in the first post, i dont believe i was too rough on it, have a pile of dirt thats been sitting 2 years since it was dumped in the yard, worked on it this past summer with the loader and thats when i think i might have twisted it. just seems to me that it should not have twisted. i have seen posts on here were people have enclosed the top lip of the bucket, wondering if that would help my problem?

 

[Knight9]

Scott,

Does your bucket look the same as the attached? Or does it look a little wider and overall larger? I really can't see you twisting this bucket unless you got it really uneven and were prying under one corner or something.

Kevin

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Hi,

I saw mention in a post somewhere where [by rdbrumfield or beenthere?] where the poster welded a piece of pipe inside the top lip of the bucket and that seemed to increase the strengh by quite a bit. I think there was a photo posted and that it looked like a nice clean installation. Sorry, I can't remember the post or thread it was in... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

A tooth bar on the lower lip also seems to add a lot of strength, at least to the 54 inch bucket on my b2910.

When you say your bucket twisted, what do you mean? There have been lots of reports here about bent top and bottom lips, but twisted buckets seem rare [at least that is my impression]

I also recall reading that different rear tire pressure can cause one side of the bucket to touch the ground before the other, making it appear that something is twisted when in fact it is not. If you are looking at the way the loader bucket touches the level ground, you might try checking the rear tire pressures just to be sure they are equal.

I worked my 54" bucket with tooth bar on it pretty good last summer, and have not noticed any bending or twisting at all. That included a lot of digging and scraping of hard clay around my pond and some pushing over of small and dead trees, and pushig on stumps and so on.

Just a couple thoughts...

By the way, a tooth bar really helps when digging!

Bill

 

[Knight9]

A tooth bar on the lower lip also seems to add a lot of strength

Good point Bill. That would improve the strength of any bucket....heavy duty or otherwise.

Kevin

 

[Anonymous Poster]

knight, by you picture it looks to be the same bucket as mine.
i understand that rear and or front tire pressure will effect the bucket sitting evenly but that is not my problem. i could see that it was twisted, i think this spring i will add some reinforcement to it, probably add some hooks too. thanks for all your post, and would appreciate more. thanks again

 

[blackd]

Please, please please don't tell us when you weld the hooks on the bucket. AND for heaven's sake don't show us any pictures.

Don /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[Anonymous Poster]

If you don't understand blackd's comment...

Just consider it an inside joke!

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[SteveV]

You didn't really say what the twist was like; maybe the top was caved in from a chain or racked from jamming a corner /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gifbut if its just not parallel with the ground, check to make sure both pins are fully engaged to mount the loader to its tractor frame. Having one of them out racks the loader frame big time. The front cutting edge is important to the bucket's strength, if it is worn broken or missing, It is easily fixed by a welder (which could also beef it to meet your requirements) /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif SteveV

 

[OkieG]

Scottwfixit,

My 24hp tractor came with a light materials bucket. I always thought it was pretty tough. This Summer I twisted it using bucket forks to loosen tree roots. I don't do that anymore. I am not talking about bending the cutting edge or top lip...I mean twisting the bucket. It came back to almost straight by using the forks, an I beam, and as much down pressure as the loader would generate. It worked, but is not recommended.

Without the forks, I don't think the bucket would have twisted, but there are probably other ways to put a twist in it without the help of forks.

<font color="blue">so it dosent twist again?</font>

Did you get it back to straight? How did you straighten it?

I would also like to find a way to reinforce the bucket to resist twisting.

For those who are not sure I mean by twist:

Sight across the leading (front) edges of your bucket sides. It they are not parallel, the bucket is twisted. Another clue- full rollback and full dump should occur for both cylinders at the same time. If one cylinder extends or retracts a bt more after the other is done, the bucket could be twisted.

OkieG

 

[OkieG]

In case my "sighting" description is confusing, here is a picture of what I mean. The sighting is across the front edge of the bucket sides. The bucket looks pretty good right now. The edges are close to parallel. As I move my head to bring the edges closer together, it is easy to tell that the bucket still has 1/4" or so of twist. It was much worse.

OkieG

 

[ronjhall]

Scott
I bent my bucket pulling some fence post. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Added a piece of 1” pipe to lip. I have lifted a lot of heavy items since without bending it again. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif See attached picture.

 

[Egon]

From the looks of the cutting edge this bucket has seen some use. One way of easily stiffening it is to replace the original cutting edge with one that is 4 to 6 inches wide and 1/2 in. thick. This was done on my 7100 which had the edge worn off and made a very discernable difference in the rigidy of the bucket.

Egon

 

[OkieG]

That is a good idea, and I would like to replace it with a bolt on cutting edge. The original is welded.

The middle of the cutting edge is slightly bowed up. That leaves the outside edges to pick up the wear when pushing snow on pavement. That is what the unusual wear is from. Every once in a while I bump the middle of the edge against a stump the straighten it out. Before long it's back to slightly up in the middle.

A 4" blade would be perfect for my little loader. Where did you shop? I have seem some online vendors, but have not looked seriously yet. There's still a little life left in the original.

OkieG

 

[winchman]

Scott,

I also felt the bucket on my 2410 was a little wimpy for my liking, so I added a heavy wall pipe that just fits behind the top lip. Just like ronhall did, except mine runs the full width of the bucket. Then I welded my bucket hooks behind this pipe. I also added 5/16 by 3" wide plate to the leading edge of the sides of the bucket. I would gladly take a picture if I had a camera. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Now I don't think I could hurt this bucket if I wanted to. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif I would also recommend a toothbar for serious digging and prying.

winchman

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Ron,

I like that idea! It is now on my list of things to accomplish this year. Trouble is I can't take that welding class I wanted to this spring as we will be visiting Kubota Land this spring for about half the duration of the class /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif and /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif at the same time I guess...

Is there a reason you did not run that pipe the full width of the bucket like winchman did?

Just curious.

Bill in Pgh, PA

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[Egon]

Mine was a 4 in. by1/2 in from the Kubota dealer. Its welded on which I think will help on stiffenning the bucket. This one should outlast me and the tractor compared to the original.

Cutting edges can be purchase from many different sources. The weld on are not specific to generic brand loaders and are sold by the inch.

Egon

 

[RayBee]

scottwfixit:
Any stiffening you can give your bucket will payoff in longevity. You can get as crazy as you want, just remember the more weight you add to the FEL, the less you can lift. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif ....RayBee

 

[OkieG]

<font color="blue">This one should outlast me and the tractor compared to the original.</font>

Did the dealer mount an other than original cutting edge on your bucket? Sounds like it is maybe heavier duty than what came on your bucket in the first place?

OkieG