230V tools in 120V country

/ 230V tools in 120V country #1  

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Currently I am in UK where electricity is 230V / 50Hz and all my tools are so rated.

We are looking to move to a country with 120V / 60Hz electricity.

So what do I do with all the 230V stuff? White goods - no issue - just replace. Some of my tools are autoswitching, such as the cordless chargers so wont be a problem. But what of the rest? My current thinking is sell all tools and rebuy as spares will not be an issue and local market products may be easier to sell on as and when - but that is going to cost a load in depreciation.

These are mostly woodworking tools (routers, drills, extractors) so likely to be used intermittently and in one location and can be up to 2000W each (and obviously the 2000W extractor may be running with 2000W router).

So, I know this may not be the ideal forum, but as it has loads of ingenious members before I sell I thought I would post question asking for what others would do in same situation? Do step-up transformers exist? Generate?

Thanks for any ideas,

J
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #2  
I always thought European tools would work plugged in the two phases. The USA house grid has two phases and zero and between the two live wires it is 220V. Never really tried it, I bought all my tools here, but when the ductless heat pump exchanger would not work due to the voltage level - it was made in 240V country - we connected it just like that and it works for years now.

I will surely follow this thread with interest. Good luck, where are you moving to?
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #3  
Yes, step-up transformers can be found. I think most of your AC motors would run 18% higher rpm going from 50Hz to 60Hz
Dave.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #4  
You will need to buy 60 to 50 HZ frequency convertors. They are not cheap and they are rated for cerrtain amperage. The higher amperage you go, to higher the convertor cost will be. the units will start about a thousand us bucks and go up form there. For that amount of money, plus bringing it over here, it might be cheaper for you to buy all new tools.:(

Keep in mind, when converting frequency and stepping up voltage, you are talking a huge loss of energy being loss in form of heat. alot of heat means you paying more in electricity and that is not very efficient.

I am sorry to sound like a bearer of bad news, but from a investment point standwise, I am not so sure if you still want to keep the tool collection you have if you move here, I am sure it's gonna hurt though.:eek:
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #5  
Currently I am in UK where electricity is 230V / 50Hz and all my tools are so rated.

We are looking to move to a country with 120V / 60Hz electricity.

So what do I do with all the 230V stuff? White goods - no issue - just replace. Some of my tools are autoswitching, such as the cordless chargers so wont be a problem. But what of the rest? My current thinking is sell all tools and rebuy as spares will not be an issue and local market products may be easier to sell on as and when - but that is going to cost a load in depreciation.

These are mostly woodworking tools (routers, drills, extractors) so likely to be used intermittently and in one location and can be up to 2000W each (and obviously the 2000W extractor may be running with 2000W router).

So, I know this may not be the ideal forum, but as it has loads of ingenious members before I sell I thought I would post question asking for what others would do in same situation? Do step-up transformers exist? Generate?

Thanks for any ideas,

J

I suppose I can't be sure it's the same in all other 120V countries, but in the US houses are wired with two 120V feeds that are 180 degrees out of phase with each other (In other words +120V and -120V) relative to a third "neutral" wire. Houses here will have multiple 120V circuits, each wired between the neutral and one or the other of the 120V legs. Additionally, houses here will also have one or more 240V circuits, wired between the two 120V legs, to run larger appliances such as clothes dryers, ovens, well pumps, central air systems, etc.

As far as getting the correct voltage to your tools goes, it's simply a matter of adding some 240V circuits and adding the appropriate recepticles in the room(s) where you'll use them.

The frequency is another story. Whether your tools will work with 60Hz versus 50Hz depends on the type of motor they use. Most hand tools (such as your router) will use a so-called "universal" motor. Universal motors are relatively small and light for the amount of horsepower they generate. The down-side is that they tend to be very, very loud. This is because there is physical contact between the stator and the commutator (via the brushes). These parts rub on each other as the motor spins in order to maintain an electrical connection and switch the magnetic field back and forth. Besides their light weight, one nice thing about universal motors is that the speed is dependent only on the voltage. They can operate off AC (equally well at 50Hz or 60Hz) or even DC.

Larger stationary tools such as drill-presses, table-saws, lathes, etc., on the other hand, usually use "induction" motors. These motors tend to be much heavier and quieter (sometimes nearly silent in their operation). Induction motors are driven entirely without physical contact between the stator and the commutator. The electrical current in the commutator is induced by the changing magnetic field generated by the alternating current in the stator. If you change the frequency of the driving current, you will affect not only the rotational speed of the motor, but also the amount of current generated/consumed within the motor. This is because an AC current changing 20% faster (60 Hz vs. 50 Hz), will generate a magnetic field that is 20% more intense.

The long and short of it is, your 50Hz equipment with induction motors will run somewhat faster than it currently does and will generate more torque as well. These aren't necessarily bad things, but the price you'll pay is that the motors will draw more current and generate more heat. Many motors are designed to run at either frequency (and will usually be labelled as such); and most others are over-engineered enough that they'll work just fine with only a 20% increase in frequency. However, their lifetime may be somewhat shortened.

I use a 240V/50Hz vacuum pump for my veneer press that I was able to buy for a really low price here in the US. I plug it into 240V/60Hz and it runs just great. If I only get 20 years out of it instead of 30, it'll still be money well spent.

So to summarize, assuming the system in the country you're moving to is similar to the US, you should be able to wire up 240V recepticles and use your portable equipment with no problem. Your stationary stuff will likely run with a little more speed and power, but may die a somewhat earlier death than it otherwise would (at which point you can simply buy a replacement 60Hz motor for it).

If it were me, I'd keep the equipment I have and give it a try. Good luck!
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #6  
If you keep your tools and will need to wire up receptacles I would check into what type they use in your destination country. Might need to buy some and take them with you to avoid having to by new receptacles AND cord caps.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #7  
If you keep your tools and will need to wire up receptacles I would check into what type they use in your destination country. Might need to buy some and take them with you to avoid having to by new receptacles AND cord caps.

I would put local plugs on your tools. Don't change the outlets in the house. You will break local building codes.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #8  
There could be some elec. grounding safety issues using a US-type 230V circuit to power something to made to use Euro-type 240V, which would typically have three wires: 240V Hot, Neutral, Ground.
Dave.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #9  
Do what I did, sell or give everything away. Buy new ones when you get here, everything is half the price.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #10  
I took all my 220V tools with me when I moved to Canada from Scotland in 2003. They all work here without exception.

I sold some good plant (generators, vibrating plates, etc) thinking it would be too expensive to ship and I could source used when I got here. Used tools hold their price here far better than in the UK so my advice would be to ship what you can.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #11  
I took all my 220V tools with me when I moved to Canada from Scotland in 2003. They all work here without exception.

I sold some good plant (generators, vibrating plates, etc) thinking it would be too expensive to ship and I could source used when I got here. Used tools hold their price here far better than in the UK so my advice would be to ship what you can.

Does it mean you have to have 2 phases outlets anywhere you want to use your tools? What male end did you put on your tool power cord? I have some tools over in Prague I would love to bring to Virginia.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #12  
Just put some 2 pole breakers in the us panle ==220v and put some hubbell HBL-5662 series receptacles on the curcuit and put the HBL-5666c plug on the tools they are rated 250v and as long as it is standard in "your" house you will be good.

tom
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #13  
Does it mean you have to have 2 phases outlets anywhere you want to use your tools? What male end did you put on your tool power cord? I have some tools over in Prague I would love to bring to Virginia.

Yes, you need 220V outlets where you'll use the tools. There are a variety of different 220V recepticles (and corresponding plugs that you can put on the ends of your tool cords), but the most common for a typical power tool is a NEMA 6-15. It looks just like a regular 110V 3-prong plug except that the prongs are turned 90 degrees (thus preventing you from accidentally plugging a 110V plug into it :(). There's a 20-amp version (the NEMA 6-20) where only one of the prongs is rotated. You can find a chart here:

NEMA Plug & Receptacle Configurations Reference Chart (Straight Blade)

You can buy the plugs and recepticles at Home Depot, Lowes, or pretty much any hardware or electrical supply store.

Wiring up a 220V recepticle is straightforward, but beyond the scope of this forum. A Google search will turn up a wealth of information on the subject, or you can go to HD or Lowes and buy a home wiring book.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #14  
For use in our house and guest cottage, I have an extension cord that plugs into the drier outlet. The other end has a female 220 volt connector allowing me to plug in any of my 220 volt tools.

Most of the heavier duty floor mounted workshop tools here are 220 volt - (table saw, planer, bandsaw, etc.), so when I built my workshop, I laid in plenty of both 220 volt and 110 volt outlets around the walls.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #15  
You could check with the equipment manufacturer, it's possible the motors are wired for 120V and 240V if they are sold in the US/Canada as well as Europe.

As far as using 220V US style to a 240V Euro style device, no matter what plug or connector you use, you are forced to supply 120V on the 240V Hot leg and the opposite phase 120V on the Neutral leg of the 240V device. Yes, you have a 220V potential across those legs, but that isn't at all what the designer of the equipment had in mind or anticipated.

I would advise caution using this method. Take some voltmeter readings from the 240V equipment ground to earth ground to be safe.
Dave.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #16  
You will need to buy 60 to 50 HZ frequency convertors. They are not cheap and they are rated for cerrtain amperage.

not neccarly. most AC motors the frequency simply determines the rpm of the motor. IE if it is wound to run on 60hz at 1750 rpm, it will run just fine at 50 hz just 17% slower. same will be true for motors wound for 50hz. (except 17% faster)

as for voltage, thats going to be an issue. your tools are designed for ground to hot of 230v. in the US we call that 240/480v power. While you can get 240v out of a regular household outlet, its a hot-hot measurement. which is to say between to live 120v legs that are 180deg out of phase with each other. While the over all potential (voltage) is the same there is that pesky phase issue that may cause your tools issue.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #17  
Wiring up a 220V recepticle is straightforward, but beyond the scope of this forum. A Google search will turn up a wealth of information on the subject, or you can go to HD or Lowes and buy a home wiring book.


LOL:D, CYA. Thanks for the advice - I certainly don't have problems with house wiring:D:D
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #18  
not neccarly. most AC motors the frequency simply determines the rpm of the motor. IE if it is wound to run on 60hz at 1750 rpm, it will run just fine at 50 hz just 17% slower. same will be true for motors wound for 50hz. (except 17% faster)

as for voltage, thats going to be an issue. your tools are designed for ground to hot of 230v. in the US we call that 240/480v power. While you can get 240v out of a regular household outlet, its a hot-hot measurement. which is to say between to live 120v legs that are 180deg out of phase with each other. While the over all potential (voltage) is the same there is that pesky phase issue that may cause your tools issue.

There is no phase issue (and therefore no voltage issue). The difference between the two hot 120V legs with a 180 degree shift is a perfect 240V RMS sine wave. The motor doesn't know or care about the arbitrary voltage that we consider to be "zero". It simply responds to the voltage applied across it, and that's going to be 240V in either case. A two-phase system where the phase difference is exactly 180 degrees is indistinguishable from a single-phase system and is usually referred to as split single-phase.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #19  
There is no phase issue (and therefore no voltage issue). The difference between the two hot 120V legs with a 180 degree shift is a perfect 240V RMS sine wave. The motor doesn't know or care about the arbitrary voltage that we consider to be "zero". It simply responds to the voltage applied across it, and that's going to be 240V in either case. A two-phase system where the phase difference is exactly 180 degrees is indistinguishable from a single-phase system and is usually referred to as split single-phase.
You are correct.
 
/ 230V tools in 120V country #20  
I moved to Canada some ten years back and asked the same questions as you are doing today.

You can run your tools here and most electricians can wire you up a 240 volt circuit where you need the sockets. But don't expect them to know the UK sockets and plugs, they don't. You will have to do that yourself.
Personally I brought some UK sockets with me and still use them now, with all my Bosch tools in my workshop. I also brought with me a long extension lead with UK sockets on it and put a plug on that for the US system of 240. It is still nice to have that fuse in the tool plugs, believe me.

I also bought some large transformers from Maplin. These convert the 120 v to 240v. These have been used to run an old none convertible CD player as well as my record turntable with it's old amp. The only problem here was the turntable had to be retuned to account for the speed difference, else weird music on some occasions. This same transformer is used to run my heavy duty Bosch drill with no problems, when needed, where there is no 240v at hand. My wife still has some of her newer, when in the UK, kitchen appliances she really did not want to give away for pennies. Plus an expensive sewing machine. She uses the transformers for these items. With all the tools I have plus the other equipment nothing has been harmed, by moving here
I was so reluctant to give away my large collection of quality tools as I suspect you are. Hope this helps you.
 
 
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