2004 Polaris Ranger Query

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troutsqueezer

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Been looking for a used UTV for awhile now and brought this one home today. I'm hoping some folks here who have a similar model can offer me some advice on maintenance, things to watch out for, etc. I didn't get a manual for it so will have to go looking for one. It has 536 hours on it. 2 wheel drive. The plastic and metal seem to be in reasonable shape. The only thing I'm wondering about is the noise that the starter makes when you turn the key. To my ears it sounds like maybe the starter gears are slipping a bit on the flywheel as it is a shrill, metal-against-metal sound. I asked the owner what that noise was and he assured me it was normal for an "industrial" engine and had been making it as long as he can remember. I'm pretty sure that is BS but maybe I'm wrong?

BTW, I paid $4200 for it and he hauled it for free, 60 miles. Nice enough guy, seemed on the up-and-up except for maybe the starter thing.

I need to re-upholster the seat, anyone done that?

 
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Looks nice and sounds like a good buy...Can't say on the starter without hearing it. Make sure the bolts are tight, if it came loose that will make a racket...Otherwise, the starter gear usually, not always, gives out before the flywheel, so maybe a starter or it may just need shimmed a bit. Polaris would have the shims. This is not that uncommon on lots of vehicles.

Not sure on that model, but the upholstery is usually stapled to plywood behind and under the seat..Pick up some new material once you measure what's needed and make your own. Done this on dining room chairs etc..no big deal.Not a pro job but passable with wrapped edges. Polaris probably has replacements if you don't want to be bothered.


Edit: After looking closer at the seat contour, a DIY might be more difficult than I thought.
 
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Went on YouTube and watched a video on replacing the starter. Mine definitely makes an undesired noise so I will order one from Amazon after I check for loose bolts. Good excuse to dive into the engine and do some checking I suppose.

I don't care about the contouring in the seats so maybe I'll buy a new piece of foam and cover it myself.
 
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The starters on Rangers do sound like a Chrysler starter......a high pitched "tingtingwingwingtingting"

Looks like it's in decent shape, check the CV boot rubber, my neighbors is 3 years old and his are deteriorating.
 
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This starter is in failure mode. It's getting worse quickly. Hope it's easy to replace. After going thru the UTV with a fine tooth comb, I'm pleased that the starter is the only thing that is deficient. For 10 years old, it doesn't look like it's been pushed too hard or abused.

The reason for this post: In case anyone has been searching for info on the 2004 ranger or similar model, I came across a website where you can download the service manual for free. Apparently these were scanned in by the military. Sometimes you get lucky.

Military Atv Parts from World of Powersports - 217-233-2145
 
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My starter on my 400 Midsize makes a lot of racket. It's normal for mine.

It would be nice to listen to another one start so you can hear it. Polaris starters are loud.
 
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It is, without a doubt, making a very loud gear stripping noise. $350 for a new starter through the Polaris dealer. I'm not surprised, Polaris dealers are just as greedy for your money when it comes to parts as all the other dealers are - Toyota, Honda, etc. I bought one on eBay for $99, free shipping, built by Hitachi.

Now I just need to figure out the best way to pull it out of there. Kinda tight down in that space. No YouTube videos for that model.
 
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That's a good looking TM. I have the same one with 700 hours on it. The TM's starter is noisy. If you manage to take yours off, don't throw the old one away as it will likely still be working after the hundred-dollar cheapie has bitten the dust.

Your Ranger has the roll cage off the 500 series. Mine just has a small bar and screen behind the seats.

A local upholsterer redid my lower seat cushion for $125. He didn't have trouble with the raised part in the middle, but told me he would have to put a seam along each outer edge to make it fit. The result was a beautiful job and quite a close match on the fabric, though he had told me an exact match for the gray is impossible, as the factory bought in the material and used it up, then ordered more, with no attempt to standardize colours.

To my mind the biggest challenge with the TM is changing the oil. At long last I have hit upon an efficient system for doing this now that we have a car hoist in the shop. You'll find a long series of articles (and rants) about the 2004 Ranger TM at Walnut Diary | If Google has dropped you here, try typing "The Walnut Diary" and whatever you want to find. eg: "The Walnut Diary bass.".

- TM oil filter is NOT the standard Polaris filter. It's smaller, scarce, and quite expensive. Change oil and filter every 50 hours. 1.6 litres will do to start. Your results may vary. I use Rotella 5W40 synthetic. I have observed no oil consumption.

- Use synthetic oil. The TM has a Robin 18 hp industrial engine which they bolted into this loss-leader vehicle. Treat it well.

- Remember that the engine is from Japan, with metric bolts. That said, there's a devilish little Allen-headed drain plug right under the machine, hidden in a recess, which you remove to drain the oil. (Don't take the bolt out at the bottom rear of the engine. It's hard to get out and worse to replace.) I have stripped two of these Allen plugs because they are very soft. They're housed in a 90 degree brass plumbing fitting bolted onto the engine to enable drainage down. This could be a US-made add-on. At a dealership you'll have to ask for the drain plug for a 2006, as the earlier diagrams don't handle it. On a parts diagram the plug doesn't look anything like the actual product, but the number is right. It's silver, smaller in diameter than a dime, has about a 4 mm Allen hole in the centre (not exactly 4 mm.) and an o-ring in a slot to seal the oil in.

I strongly advise you to raise the TM on a car hoist for the first oil change. Once you understand the layout, the drain plug should go well, but don't over-tighten it or the Allen part will strip.

The oil filter has been the subject of more than one comic rant (not intended as such, but widely admired) on my blog. I won't bother re-creating it here, save to say that the grittier your fingers are when you try to replace the filter, the better.

- In 2005 they specified hotter plugs for this engine. Instead of the "5", use the "4". I think it's an NKG and their heat range numbers run opposite to Champions.

- The TM has boots at the front for the steering gear, but no CV joints. Greasing's pretty minimal, though there are fittings on the drive shaft and a couple of hidden ones on the pivots for that back suspension square.

- I have replaced the right tie rod end. I think that's the only repair I've had to do.

- On the other hand, adjusting the parking brake is well beyond my expertise as a mechanic. It must have been designed by the same devil who made the drain plug. Don't rely on it.

- The brakes, on the other hand, work very well.

- The battery needs frequent watering and/or replacement.

Here are some notes. For more info, check The Walnut Diary for the Ranger TM series. Down the right side of the page you'll find 18 articles relating to this machine.
 
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I really appreciate the lengthy reply and I will visit the Walnut Diary website this evening. At a glance it looks to be very informative, just what I was looking for.

I did jack up the rear and put the UTV on jackstands so I could crawl under it. I pulled the starter out, it wasn't too difficult. Removing the skid plate helps. The gears on the starter look fine. The sound it was making was like it wasn't fully engaging the flywheel. Maybe something to do with the gear assembly not sliding all the way forward. I do plan on keeping it. My new one should be here tomorrow.

While underneath, I found the oil drain. It does looks like something that was designed by the British. :laughing:

I re-covered both the bench and the seat back yesterday. Bought some black Marine Vinyl which is pretty thick and it came out very nice. Total cost: $36.

I bought some oil too, Mobil Synthetic 0W-40. I read that a Fram PH6017A oil filter works so bought one of those as well. My ATV will use that one if the Ranger does not.

I've copied your notes for future reference. Thanks again.

Dennis
 
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We still have a guy here that rebuilds starters...it's getting to be a lost art. Anyway, his rebuilds have a great rep and the price is half that of a new one. Ask around, you might have a starter guru in your neck of the woods.

0-40? My Subaru engine calls for 30 weight.
 
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My memory failed me in the earlier missive. My compact tractors take 2.5 litres of oil. The Ranger TM is full with 1.6 litres when the filter is changed, though your results may vary. Sorry about the wrong information.

Rod
 
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I really appreciate the lengthy reply and I will visit the Walnut Diary website this evening. At a glance it looks to be very informative, just what I was looking for.

I did jack up the rear and put the UTV on jackstands so I could crawl under it. I pulled the starter out, it wasn't too difficult. Removing the skid plate helps. The gears on the starter look fine. The sound it was making was like it wasn't fully engaging the flywheel. Maybe something to do with the gear assembly not sliding all the way forward. I do plan on keeping it. My new one should be here tomorrow.

While underneath, I found the oil drain. It does looks like something that was designed by the British. :laughing:

I re-covered both the bench and the seat back yesterday. Bought some black Marine Vinyl which is pretty thick and it came out very nice. Total cost: $36.

I bought some oil too, Mobil Synthetic 0W-40. I read that a Fram PH6017A oil filter works so bought one of those as well. My ATV will use that one if the Ranger does not.

I've copied your notes for future reference. Thanks again.

Dennis

You should see where they put the drain plug on my sportsmans club Cub Cadet Volunteer..Maybe the French on that one :banghead:

Post pics of the upholstery job, I'd like to see it.
 
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0W-40 is what the service manual calls out. The weather around here is usually pretty mild, maybe 30W is all it needs.

Rod, I just read all of your blog entries related to the TM (and a few others). I just now put two and two together, realizing that you are the same person responding to my request for TM help as well as the writer of The Walnut Diaries. You are a good writer. We have much in common. You may find my website interesting although my writing is not of the same caliber (link at bottom). I'm thinking of adding a Polaris TM page to help future owners of this UTV just as your blog helps.

Timswi, I will try to take a picture of my upholstery job and post it tomorrow. I am very pleased with it.

Today I bought a digital clock for the dash, a steering wheel spinner, some eye hooks for the bed and two small polypropylene cutting boards which will serve as backing plates for the headrests which were missing when I bought it. Tonight I will upholster them.
 
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I guess I'm just one of those dinosaurs now....every time I have to buy 5w for the wife's Sorrento of mine I shake my head in disbelief. I also can't get used to the tiny amount of oil engines are using.....my '03 Kodiak takes over 3 quarts.

So if your's calls for 0-40 that's exactly what I would buy too....

Mine is coming up on it's first oil change at 10 hrs...the V-twin 653cc Subaru takes 1.55 quart of 30w.
 
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0W-40 is what the service manual calls out. The weather around here is usually pretty mild, maybe 30W is all it needs.

Rod, I just read all of your blog entries related to the TM (and a few others). I just now put two and two together, realizing that you are the same person responding to my request for TM help as well as the writer of The Walnut Diaries. You are a good writer. We have much in common. You may find my website interesting although my writing is not of the same caliber (link at bottom). I'm thinking of adding a Polaris TM page to help future owners of this UTV just as your blog helps.

Timswi, I will try to take a picture of my upholstery job and post it tomorrow. I am very pleased with it.

Today I bought a digital clock for the dash, a steering wheel spinner, some eye hooks for the bed and two small polypropylene cutting boards which will serve as backing plates for the headrests which were missing when I bought it. Tonight I will upholster them.

No Polaris uses 0-40 weight. Use what the manual says... Not what people say on here.
 
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As requested, pics of my upholster job. I bought the marine vinyl 40% off at JoAnn's Fabrics. It was an easy operation. The engine panel is currently off because I am in the process of replacing the starter. The seat back is not yet fastened to the machine, I'm not even sure I have it in the correct orientation.





The UTV came without the headrests so I had to make them. I bought two small polypropylene cutting boards ($2.50 ea.) to serve as the foundation. Installed some T nuts to cinch them to the ROPs and to the sheet steel pieces that I cut to fit the rear of the headrest.




 
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Very nice work on the upholstery! How did you attach the vinyl to the cutting board?
 
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Thanks. I attached the vinyl to the cutting board using good ol' staples, no prob.
 
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Sorry, it didn't quote as requested:
"No Polaris uses 0-40 weight. Use what the manual says... Not what people say on here."


No one has suggested 0-40, Troutsqueezer said that is what his service manual specifies. I guess the manual could be wrong.......

nice job on the upholstery. I love those cutting boards & use them for all kinds of projects.
 
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No one has suggested 0-40, Troutsqueezer said that is what his service manual specifies. I guess the manual could be wrong.......

nice job on the upholstery. I love those cutting boards & use them for all kinds of projects.

No it's not wrong. Lol
 
 
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