2004 JD 4410 tilt steering problem

[Johnny Popper]

We just purchased an '04 4410 and the tilt steering won't lock into place. I tried to get the steering wheel off but its splined and is a pain to get off. Any one have any suggestions? The lever that is supposed to slip in won't move or budge at all, and its annoying to have the steering wheel flop around while you're trying to drive.

Any help would be great!

 

[beenthere]

:welcome:
I'd suggest trying to open up the area for a visual look to see what is not working, if possible. Remove the shroud if possible.

jdparts shows the kit that is made to repair (I'd imagine) the tilt, but the steering wheel does need to come off to get at it.
Can you look up the parts on jdparts, or do you have (or could get) the tech manual that goes through the procedure to get at the tilt parts?

 

[Johnny Popper]

I don't have the tech manual but it sort of seems like something I should probably get. I have been on jdparts just to sort of see some part numbers. I guess something that might be a problem is that when I get the steering wheel and dash cover off, how will it get the lever off since it won't move, since it sort of crosses over?

P.S. thanks for the welcome!

 

[medic1050]

I used google to find a .pdf copy of the tech manual for $9. It is well worth the price. I can search by keyword or with the index. I'm curently tackling calibrating potentiometers so that I can get my tractor moving again.

 

[Oldtractorfixer]

Get the wheel off and see what you've got. You will probably find something you can hit with a big hammer and get it free. Anyway after you get the wheel off once if you need to put it back together to use it until you get more advice or parts they come apart easy the second time. I don't know about your particular set up but ususally what you are experiencing is due to a bolt or something that has come loose and just putting all back together right fixes it.

 

[mfreund]

I used google to find a .pdf copy of the tech manual for $9. It is well worth the price. I can search by keyword or with the index. I'm curently tackling calibrating potentiometers so that I can get my tractor moving again.[/QUOTE


I did that too, if you need any help start a new thread. Mine was the throttle potentiometer.

 

[RoyJackson]

Before you remove the steering wheel, pop open the fuse box and you'll see two screws that attach the panel just above the fuse box. There are also two screws at the top of that panel (it's called the "Key Switch" panel, I believe...since the ignition switch is mounted on the panel). Remove those screws and I think you'l have to remove the tilt wheel lever knob (not the lever itself) to remove the panel.
Once that panel is off, you can get a good view of the tilt wheel mechanism.
I'm writing this from memory...I had to pull that panel off to install a 12v outlet in the key panel (last year).

IF you have the service manual for the 4410, it's all described there.
If not, PM me or respond here and I'll see if I can pull the appropriate pages from my manual (which is for a 4400, but it should be the same or very close to the same).

 

[beenthere]

I used google to find a .pdf copy of the tech manual for $9. It is well worth the price. I can search by keyword or with the index. I'm curently tackling calibrating potentiometers so that I can get my tractor moving again.

Do you have the site handy?

It didn't pop up for me, and it looks handy and a good bit cheaper.

 

[RoyJackson]

BTW, this might help...but be advised, this is for a 4400, not a 4410.

 

[beenthere]

There were several changes, including the steering tilt lock, when the model 4x10's came out.
Here are the instructions for the 4400 (2 parts) same as Roy's link, and for the 4410 (3 parts). Quite different, as I see it.

 

[RoyJackson]

There were several changes, including the steering tilt lock, when the model 4x10's came out.
Here are the instructions for the 4400 (2 parts) same as Roy's link, and for the 4410 (3 parts). Quite different, as I see it.

I don't think he'll have to remove the entire mechanism to adjust the friction on the tilt steering lock. Do you have any pictures/pages of that? Or, how to remove the lever? That might be more of a help to the OP.

What I attached is all I have...

 

[beenthere]

I believe that the friction lever on the 4400 was changed to a detent or caul system, such as is shown in the op manual for the 4410 (first pic) and the 4400 lever (2nd pic)

 

[Johnny Popper]

Great info guys....will definitely be a project to get all fixed up. Thanks again!

 

[RoyJackson]

I believe that the friction lever on the 4400 was changed to a detent or caul system, such as is shown in the op manual for the 4410 (first pic) and the 4400 lever (2nd pic)

Yep, does look like quite a difference...

Johnny Popper...beenthere's attached some really good info, but I suggest you contact your local Deere service dept. They may have an easier way to adjust that lock. Otherwise, it looks like you're in for a lot of disassembly work.

 

[turboviking]

I hope the image is attached. If you look at parts 33 34 and 35, dirt could get in this where it travels on the shaft and stick. Also 33 mates with 29 (2 pieces) that are cast pot metal, and there are basically a gear teeth mechanism that when part 33 is raised, disengages and allows the wheel to move fore and aft. I found these teeth break. You may be able to remove the broken pieces and have it work - as I did.

to access this, remove the fuse box and starter switch covers, remove 4 allen bolts from the plate surrounding the power steering unit (4 hoses attached) remove the wheel, and unplug all wires to the dash panel. Remove it to see the affected area. You can call me at 209-742-4655 if you need more help. - Troy

 

[Johnny Popper]

Thanks for all the replies. Basically, nothing sticks at all. The issue is that you can't lock the column in place at all. The lever (37-in the diagram), is completely solid, it will not move or budge at all, in any direction. From the sound of things it sounds like its a compete pain in the rear to get the thing taken apart, so might have to stay that way.

 

[beenthere]

Wouldn't stay that way if it were mine...

Go for it!

 

[turboviking]

It was a pain, but once I got smart and took the PROPER screws out, it got easier. If that wont move then I suspect dirt on the spring loaded column bushing. It can be fixed, and probably for free. You will need some patience, tho.

Troy

 

[Johnny Popper]

Well just wanted to do an update...I grew a pair over night and took the **** thing apart and it was a lot easier than I thought. The culprit was the latch and the two guides, all the teeth were busted off. I wanted to give a big thanks to everyone on here for the replies and tons of feedback.

Kevin

 

[atomic41]

We just purchased an '04 4410 and the tilt steering won't lock into place. I tried to get the steering wheel off but its splined and is a pain to get off. Any one have any suggestions? The lever that is supposed to slip in won't move or budge at all, and its annoying to have the steering wheel flop around while you're trying to drive.

Any help would be great!

Saw your post because I'm having the same issue. Did you find a PDF online that helped you?