2% bio diesel

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pennwalk

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I bought 5 gallons if diesel at my local station yesterday. I noticed a sticker on the pump saying it contained 2% bio diesel. What are the pros and cons of this? I add opti lube to make sure the ultra low sulfer diesel has enough lubricity for my Yanmar. Will this clean the fuel system and cause the fuel filter to clog?

Chris
 
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I bought 5 gallons if diesel at my local station yesterday. I noticed a sticker on the pump saying it contained 2% bio diesel. What are the pros and cons of this? I add opti lube to make sure the ultra low sulfer diesel has enough lubricity for my Yanmar. Will this clean the fuel system and cause the fuel filter to clog?

Chris

Diesel in Pa has been 2% bio for awhile now.
 
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Diesel in Pa has been 2% bio for awhile now.
Yeah, and gasoline is 10% ethanol. Fortunately I have a place to buy regular gasoline and off-road diesel without bio. Neither the bio or the ethanol are very good at storing any length of time and the use of bio-diesel in Kubota engines states the engine should be flushed with regular diesel for 30 minutes before storage. Gotta love this "feel good" crap!:thumbdown:
 
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To my knowledge, biodiesel lubricity is better than pure diesel but the fuel economy and power is reduced. Also the algae buildup is worse and storage longevity is less.

Ken
 
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Diesel in Pa has been 2% bio for awhile now.

Shoot! I must be living in a cloud this is the first time I noticed the sticker on the pump.

Chris
 
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Looks like this is another darned thing to have to think about. I would like to burn bio diesel just because the fumes are supposed to smell better. Having to worry if it will go bad over the winter is a pain.

Chris
 
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Probably less of an issue over the winter than over the summer. Algae growth isn't an issue when it's freezing :laughing:
 
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Probably less of an issue over the winter than over the summer. Algae growth isn't an issue when it's freezing :laughing:
It was an issue in Minnesota when they mandated bio in school buses and the operators ended up either leaving the buses run 24/7 or put them in a heated garage when not running.:confused2:
 
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It was an issue in Minnesota when they mandated bio in school buses and the operators ended up either leaving the buses run 24/7 or put them in a heated garage when not running.:confused2:

I was in shock several years ago, when our board put the buses on Propane..I had a call to go to one off the road and sitting in danger of puncturing the tank. The main refill tank was behind the school. I believe I like the diesel idea a lot better.
 
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It was an issue in Minnesota when they mandated bio in school buses and the operators ended up either leaving the buses run 24/7 or put them in a heated garage when not running.:confused2:

Was that due to algae growth, or wax formation? AFAIK, algae is a summer issue, wax is a cold weather issue.

Ken
 
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Was that due to algae growth, or wax formation? AFAIK, algae is a summer issue, wax is a cold weather issue.

Ken
Actually the way it was reported it was a gelling issue. We blend bio-diesel as it goes into the tanker at the refinery where I work. The temperature of the bio stock has to be controlled in a rather tight range or as I was told you risk the bio balling up in the diesel. And yes I know about the algae issues with bio also.
 
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Minnesota started a 2% bio requirement in 2005 and 5% bio in 2009. There was a suspension of the requirement during the winter of 2005/2006 because of fuel filter plugging (determined to be caused by poor quality control in the bio diesel) and again in the winter of 2009/2010, also due to filter plugging. I was running a test fleet of off-highway equipment in the winter of 2005/2006 and experienced a lot of plugging - operators complained of lack of power and we found the filters coated with a black sludge. We had the crud analyzed and discovered we had crappy fuel. The supplier insisted the fuel we were getting was good so we checked our storage tank - water and sludge filled the bottom. We had neglected to maintain our storage properly. Long before bio diesel came around we had algae problems. When I worked at Allis-Chalmers from 1967 - 1989 we had continual reports from customers about engine problems due to algae in the diesel, and same thing when I worked at Case IH from 1989 - 1992. In fact during the summer of 1991 at Case we drained and cleaned our diesel tank and found holes rusted through - we were getting water in our diesel at the factory and starting the problem right there. So algae in fuel isn't a problem that started with bio although bio may have made things worse for people who have water in their fuel. Something that has made engines more sensitive to algae is finer filtration that has come in with newer filters required to protect the latest injection systems. The old Roosa-Master injection pumps had peak pressures no more than 6,700 psi while a new common rail system can be over 30,000 psi. At those pressures the fuel needs to be super clean to prevent excess wear. When my outfit changed from Stanadyne (formerly Roosa-Master) pumps to common rail the filtration used on the old system would result in injector wear-out in as little as 50 hours. The new filters we developed did the job protecting injectors but dirty fuel or fuel with algae can plug the new filters darn quick.
 
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Actually the way it was reported it was a gelling issue. We blend bio-diesel as it goes into the tanker at the refinery where I work. The temperature of the bio stock has to be controlled in a rather tight range or as I was told you risk the bio balling up in the diesel. And yes I know about the algae issues with bio also.

Yes - and now there's a way to prevent algae, bacteria, gelling and run Biofuel year-round including running WVO or SVO-from soybeans.

Nice having choices with pump prices where they are.
 

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