1975 International dually

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I wanted to see if anyone knew anything about these trucks.* I've been looking for a dually beater to work with.* It has a 392 V8, T427 4-speed, New Process 205 transfer case, Dana 70 front and international rears that are 4.87's.* Probably not a whole lot of them still around.* Waswanting to check the wealth of knowledge here and find out all I could.* Thanks in advance.
 
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Don't know much about them but if International built it it'll be tough. They made a 1 1/2 ton pickup-sized dually truck in the early '70's that had 20" wheels. Only saw them with flatbeds, drove one several years ago and it really rode rough. The 392 was a good engine but drank gas, especially with that 4.87 axle ratio.
 
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A Binder! I've had a few. 1975 was the last year for the pickup/Travelall trucks (and cab chassis sized similarly). Modest differences in the heads for smog engines (probably not a smog engine in Alabama). The engines were long lasting, nothing too special about them other than that. Everything ate gas then. Same engine would go into a 1600 or larger truck. In 74 they changed the model numbering scheme from the 900,1000, etc to 100, 150, 200, etc for the 1/2, 5/8, 3/4 class trucks (smaller than the large frame trucks. I presume this is the same for the 1300/1310 trucks (1 ton and under 2 ton).

You should find the line setting ticket (build ticket) behind the glove box (empty it out, then push in the limit tabs on the side of the door). It will be taped on the back of it. If it's not there, you can go to an IH dealer and they can run the VIN to print out a new one for you. But you already have the major info. The nice part with these trucks is that IH built them to work, not ride around and profile in (so no, they will not ride well when empty), and they used mostly standard components.

The only funny part is (as I recall) the stock electronic ignition came in two different colored brains (one gold, one black, IIRC). One was the better version. But they used Holley or another manufacturers distributor, so it's easy to change out to an MSD or other unit. The carb was (stock) either a Holley (the 'list number' is printed/stamped on the carb) or a Carter Thermoquad, so again, an easy fix. Some had conventional mount fan to water pumps, some had a coupling nut on the shaft. Most had a standard Delco alternator (but dual belt pulley). For those that haven't used them, you often can't get the dual pulley version in stock, so swapping them out is easy. Also, a store often doesn't have the correct 'clocking' (connector position relative to the mounting lugs). Also easy, you remove the 4 screws holding the two halves and rotate them to match the one being removed. If it has the Motorola alternator, you go find the Delco mounting brackets (or make some) then put it in on failure.

One thing about IH is that they often didn't release enough info to the rebuilders/ aftermarket. I had issues with getting a correctly rebuilt Delco starter for my 1974 392 (the starter had 4 field coils, but the rebuilders always cut the 4th ones lead -- made you have to click the starter several times to get it to work correctly). Don't know why.

The cabs tended to rust out in the vent boxes (outside edges of the windshield down to the top hinge of the doors) due to leaves getting in and plugging them.

The 266/304/345/392 v8's and the 152/196(304 & 392 divided in two) slant 4's share most components (slant 4 is literally a V8 with one cylinder bank missing, a new cam, and a new crank; a Scout only engine). 304/345 have the same bore, different strokes, 345/392, same stroke, different bore. 266/344, same block/stroke, just bored out (worth doing if you have a 266 at rebuild time).

Easy search on the web: Binder Bulletin - Powered by vBulletin, Binder Planet Forums. Even a couple of hop up articles.

Nice factory emblems -- a lot like the iron sites on a rifle. Another item that IH made once: 50's era M1 Garand's (and refrigerators, etc).
 
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That's a REALLY rare find, very few pick-up types were made with duals.

The 392 should be a 4bbl Holley with a vacuum govornor, it defeatable but there for a reason. All the hardware is common industry stuff so replacements, if needed, should not be difficult to locate especially maintenance items. Sheet metal, that's a different story.
 
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Tough trucks, can hardly tear them up. Similar engines were used in the medium duty range - 1-1/2 to 2 ton. Plenty of them used here in farm trucks and as irrigation engines on natural gas. The only drawback I see with an IHC built product will be parts availability and standardization. I spent 25 years in the parts industry and the IHC stuff can give you a few headaches in aquiring parts. Don't expect them to always be at hand, but may have to be ordered.
 
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Never seen one of those in a dually that I recall. Sounds like one tough truck. As they say, if it's made by IH it's gonna be tough. Another thing IH made, of course, is the original Cub and Cub Cadet tractors. I have a late '60s IH Cub Cadet 122 garden tractor. Never seen anything that size built so tough! I always thought it would be fun to own a tough old IH truck, but somehow my Ford blood always gets the best of me. A friend of my dad's had a IH pickup for years. He kept it in beautiful condition. But parts have become a challenge. Today though, with the internet, seems like you can find just about anything.
 
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We had TravelAll's back in the '70s that were very similar. Tough as nails and took the worst beating but kept on going. Only negative on them was turning. You didn't want to parallel park these suckers as the steering was 7 and 1/2 turns from lock to lock. You were all day turning to get it in a parking spot. Sure didn't do that much.
If it looks any good at all I'd go for it.
 
/ 1975 International dually #8  
State (UofFl) had both pickups and flatbeds. Pickup had the 232-6 while the flatbed had a 345-8. Problem with ours was the flatbed was a crossover where some parts were earlier 1200 parts and later 1300 parts. Oh what fun that caused for brakes and such when you needed new parts. Engine never gave us any problems other than needing points about every two years. Gas, yep. The boss even ran it out of gas on a road trip. Didn't believe how little mileage and didn't fillup when told so he had to fetch.:D
 
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Dad had a 72 scout two w/that v8 for a snow plow truck. When the electronic ignition went bad he went to an older distributor w/ points & condenser. It always started and ran after sitting for 6 - 8 months.

Rust got the body.

Every fall dad would open one door and empty a can of bee/wasp killer in and close it up...next day he'd hook on the battery charger & start clearing the mouse nests out of the air cleaner b/4 firing it up...IHC built some tough stuff!
 
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One day long ago, I was sitting in a coffeeshop and happened to glance out the window to see the strangest Husker I ever saw go by. Yep! It was a genuine Hutterite Limo!:D
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Thanks for the info guys.* I found it on CL and it's a little over an hour away.* If it's still there when I get a chance to look at it, I may just bring her home with me :D
 
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I don't know why there are asterisks everywhere I have a space.* I'm sorry because I know it's annoying but I'm computer stupid. :confused:
 
/ 1975 International dually #14  
I had a brand new 72' 3/4 ton / one ton with a 304, 4 speed. I say 3/4-1 ton because that truck was pretty much a pre-curser to what is offered these days.

The truck had single rear wheels (split rims mind you) with the extra leaf style of helper springs. You would run out of tire sidewall long before springs.

Even with 4:10's, the truck got an honest 14mpg but man what a buckboard. So, I swapped it in on a 73' Scout with the 345. Chicks just did not dig the ride, lol! That year had some kind of GM emission system adapted to it. Got 8mpg on a good day then the first gas crisis came onto the scene. Good thing my buddy had a station. Used to fill up at night after hours.

Around 82 or 83, I picked up a 75' 4x4 pickup with a 345, 4 speed. It was sitting out in a field so I had a bit of work to do to get it up and running. The exhaust was shot with even the manifolds cracked. I found headers available so I put some on and had the rest fabbed up at a local shop. I ran two glass packs with down pipes just aft of the cab. I put a Holley 650 dual pumper on. The front brake calipers were shot and I ended up sending them to Raylock for rebuilding. NAPA had the back brake cylinders in stock. Other than that, I was good to go. Put quite a few miles on that one at another 8mpg or so, lol!

My last binder was about a 70 give or take dump truck. Old municipal job with a 345, 4speed, ten foot plow and manual steering. I bought it for working around one of my farms. Never did put it on the road. On more than one occasion, the engine died and I would end up pulling it out of the woods or a ravine with my tractor. Finally rebuilt the carb to stop that.

During the two years that I had that beast, we had little or no snow so I sold it to a local school district for their lot use. Some guy blew it up by overrevving it.
 
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Another item that IH made once: 50's era M1 Garand's (and refrigerators, etc).

When I was a kid we had a IH two compartment freezer.:D

The trucks were very popular in our area right from the P/U's to the larger dual and tandem axle trucks. We had a 52 IH short wheel base P/U on the farm.

On one of my first surveying jobs we had two 1956 4x4 P/U and on a later job there was an International travellall there for transportation..:D
 
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First truck I ever drove: 1957 International S-160 dump truck, 264? cu. in. 6 cylinder, 5 speed with 2 speed rear end. Slow, but tough as nails. :thumbsup:
 
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As I recall, those IH V-8's timed off #8 rather then #1. Is my memory shot? I have not had the pleasure of working on an IH since the early 80's, so I may be dreaming.

Thanks. Mike.
 

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