1 ton dump truck

[LBrown59]

I'd bet for 95% of TBN members, a pickup and a dump trailer is the most practical solution.
2*That way they can have a practical & attractive means of transportation for them or their family & friends with comfortable ammneities and get their weekend/ranch chores done, too.
3*Pickups with a converted dump box cannot be used for heavy dumping. 4*The steel in a pickup bed cannot tolerate having rocks or firewood dumped in it without extreme damage to the bed and the wheel wells. Also, the tailgate will not withstand dump truck type work.
4*The steel in a pickup bed cannot tolerate having rocks or firewood dumped in it without extreme damage to the bed and the wheel wells. Also, the tailgate will not withstand dump truck type work.

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2*I don't see why a dump pick up would be any less comfortable than a pick up that dumps.

3*By this do this do you mean hauling and stopping the load or is it strictly a type of bed matter?
I would think a 1 ton is a 1 ton and the bed didn't have anything to do with anything as far as being able to handle the load when it comes to hauling towing and stopping a load.
I don't think I said I wanted one for heavy dumping either.
4*That's no different than a 1/2 3/4 or 1 ton pick up that doesn't dump so why shovel stuff off a truck if you don't have to ?
Somehow I just can't see why it would be better to have a non dumping pick up and shovel a ton or 2 of gravel off it than it would be to have a dump pick up bed that you can just dump the ton or 2 of gravel off of.
I had more than enough of shoveling gravel off a pick up back when I had a new 3/4 Ford pick up back in 1971.
I don't think that if would have had a pick up dump bed on it would have torn up the bed or tail gate anymore than I did on that truck.

 

[Diamondpilot]

A 1 ton is not a 1 ton. The last time I looked Ford offered 9 different spring packages in the 1 ton class. Not sure about GM or Dodge but I am sure they have options also. Its the same thing for the 1/2 tons and 3/4 tons from Ford so I am sure GM and Dodge do the same.

End result is you could have 3 trucks sitting on the dealers lot that look just alike and are all in the 1 ton class but truck A could haul twice as much as truck B or C.

Do your research when you buy a truck. If you want a nice daily driver with the ability to do some light hauling every once and a great while get a low GVWR package. If you are doing serious towing or hauling on regular basis get a heavy GVWR package and deal with the rougher ride quality.


Chris

 

[farmboy12]

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1*I don't see why a dump pick up would be any less comfortable than a pick up that dumps.

2*By this do this do you mean hauling and stopping the load or is it strictly a type of bed matter?
I would think a 1 ton is a 1 ton and the bed didn't have anything to do with anything as far as being able to handle the load when it comes to hauling towing and stopping a load.
I don't think I said I wanted one for heavy dumping either.

3*That's no different than a 1/2 3/4 or 1 ton pick up that doesn't dump so why shovel stuff off a truck if you don't have to ?

4*Somehow I just can't see why it would be better to have a non dumping pick up and shovel a ton or 2 of gravel off it than it would be to have a dump pick up bed that you can just dump the ton or 2 of gravel off of.
I had more than enough of shoveling gravel off a pick up back when I had a new 3/4 Ford pick up back in 1971.
I don't think that if would have had a pick up dump bed on it would have torn up the bed or tail gate anymore than I did on that truck.

OK, your going to hear about the same stuff over and over again, but here's what we're saying-

1*- Not as much being comfortable, although the ride would probably be different with the extra weight of the bed, but Builder mentioned attractiveness. I don't think the wife would want to ride around in a dump truck that is obviously a dump truck. Especially doing something like getting groceries.

2*- The weight of a bed would be different. When you get a dump bed, it's usually thick steel. Heavy. And a converted p/u most likely can't dump a fully loaded to the max load pickup. A dumping pickup would probably cost the same as say, a 6x10 dump, that can haul and dump more.

3*- The price probably comes into issue again here. If you had a dump pickup, and a tilt trailer, those two would probably cost the same as a dump trailer the same size as the tilt. It can also dump loads many times heavier than the pickup.

4*- A converted bed most likely has a dump capacity of only about a ton. Much more would require a bigger hoist, that couldn't be hidden under a pickup bed.


Kyle

 

[Builder]

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3*By this do this do you mean hauling and stopping the load or is it strictly a type of bed matter?
I would think a 1 ton is a 1 ton and the bed didn't have anything to do with anything as far as being able to handle the load when it comes to hauling towing and stopping a load.
I don't think I said I wanted one for heavy dumping either.

Well, to be honest, it isn't about you, it's about the OP. The OP may actually want to be able to dump gravel, firewood, broken concrete, etc. Those materials would definately damage a sheetmetal pickup bed that dumps. I think the majority of TBN members want to be able to haul these types of materials. If you do that in a dumping pickup bed, you must handload that type of material off and on it since dumping in it with a loader would cause damage. I would also guess that once a sheetmetal bed full of gravel or firewood, etc. is tilted, it could damage the sheetmetal tailgate.

4*That's no different than a 1/2 3/4 or 1 ton pick up that doesn't dump so why shovel stuff off a truck if you don't have to ?

That's exactly why I suggest a dumptrailer over a dedicated dumptruck (dump trailer has less cost), dumping pickup (dump trailer is better against damage to bed and can carry more weight), or tilt trailer (not as versatile as a dump trailer).

Somehow I just can't see why it would be better to have a non dumping pick up and shovel a ton or 2 of gravel off it than it would be to have a dump pick up bed that you can just dump the ton or 2 of gravel off of.

Again, that's why I suggest a dumptrailer over a sheetmetal dumping pickup bed. If the OP or any other TBN member has the need to load rough material, like firewood, broken concrete, stone, etc. it would damage a sheetmetal pickup bed.

I've explained my case, I'm out of this one. The O/P probably got more than he asked for.

 

[2manyrocks]

If the risk is misrepresented to the insurance company, then they may have a basis to void the policy if there is a loss.

Now, is this a truck or a trailer?

 

[farmboy12]

The insurance company would have a hard time believing-"Well, it uh, the trailer is, uh, the truck." That wouldn't go to well. Although everybody knows this, if they ask you for a specific one, you'd have to say trailer. It's probably cheaper to insure anyway.


Kyle

 

[gemini5362]

"You oughta see how expensive it is to put tires on this puppy. : "

Hmm, I would say about double or so the 1200 bucks it cost me the last time I bought a set which are due for a replacement. What size are you running on the front?

1200 a set. I wont even begin to bore you with what a set of tires cost for my porsche.


But at least they are good for about 15,000 or so miles

 

[QRTRHRS]

1200 a set. I wont even begin to bore you with what a set of tires cost for my porsche.


But at least they are good for about 15,000 or so miles

Ouch! But then it is for a Porsche.

 

[QRTRHRS]

Fronts are Goodyear 385/65R-22.5 They're about $1,400 per pair mounted.
Rears are Goodyear 12R-22.5 They're about $425 each.

It would cost about $3,500 to replace all 6 tires.

385/65R-22.5! I can see by the picture that they are big but did not pick up that they were that big. Are those super singles then?

 

[Builder]

385/65R-22.5! I can see by the picture that they are big but did not pick up that they were that big. Are those super singles then?

Yup!

 

[QRTRHRS]

Yup!

I don't mean to digress on the original thread too much but I want to add this. Back in 1974, an excavating contractor I was working for bought a new Diamond Reo tri-axle. Really nice truck. First day or so, one of the owners three sons was driving the new truck. The front tires were big fat floatation tires. They may have looked like a super single but were bias ply. Driver, though no fault of his own actually, picked up a piece of red shale and ruined one of the tires. I forget the size but they switched to the widest, heaviest road tire they could find.

 

[farmboy12]

I don't mean to digress on the original thread too much but I want to add this. Back in 1974, an excavating contractor I was working for bought a new Diamond Reo tri-axle. Really nice truck. First day or so, one of the owners three sons was driving the new truck. The front tires were big fat floatation tires. They may have looked like a super single but were bias ply. Driver, though no fault of his own actually, picked up a piece of red shale and ruined one of the tires. I forget the size but they switched to the widest, heaviest road tire they could find.

That's no fun!


Kyle

 

[QRTRHRS]

That's no fun!


Kyle

Yeah, then the next thing that happened, the fan went through the radiator!

After that was fixed, I got the truck and ran it for 50k miles with no problem until the company went belly up. The truck had a Cummins 270 horse constant torque engine with a Spicer 7 speed transmission. The dealer took the truck back and put it on with his own personal fleet where upon the first day, one of his drivers took out the transmission. Whoops, gotta let those RPM's drop with a constant torque engine! Maybe it's a good thing those went away?

 

[farmboy12]

Yeah, then the next thing that happened, the fan went through the radiator!

After that was fixed, I got the truck and ran it for 50k miles with no problem until the company went belly up. The truck had a Cummins 270 horse constant torque engine with a Spicer 7 speed transmission. The dealer took the truck back and put it on with his own personal fleet where upon the first day, one of his drivers took out the transmission. Whoops, gotta let those RPM's drop with a constant torque engine! Maybe it's a good thing those went away?

Ok, I haven't told anyone one this yet, but I have to now. Two months ago we had an amazing deal on a 2001 Monaco Executive RV, with only 26,000 mi, and we've known the owner for years, and have almost nobody we trust more than him. So, we get it picked up, and he rides with us back home, and he told us the thing has a 500 horse Cummins! That thing is bad. It also has an Allison 6 spd in it. This 25-30,000 lb machine passes cars in the mountains in 6th gear!

Then, on our #1 trip, we scrape off the bottom of the oil pan, causing a $20,000 repair at Cummins. Then, while there, they busted two lights on it, broke the awning, and dented something that somehow causes an air leak-making a loud, uneven, annoying whistle going anymore 20mph. There was also a leak in the plumbing for the bathroom. The owner isn't to blame, it's just our luck that just after we buy it, things went bad. Time to sell!


Kyle

 

[Builder]

Then, on our #1 trip, we scrape off the bottom of the oil pan, causing a $20,000 repair at Cummins. Then, while there, they busted two lights on it, broke the awning, and dented something that somehow causes an air leak-making a loud, uneven, annoying whistle going anymore 20mph. There was also a leak in the plumbing for the bathroom. The owner isn't to blame, it's just our luck that just after we buy it, things went bad. Time to sell!


Kyle

Are you sure your nickname isn't "lucky"?

 

[farmboy12]

The thing was worth $120,000! That's the condition we bought it in. We payed about $45k! We ended up at about $80k. Let's see, $30k repairs, filling all the tanks(fuel, water), $1k for the tow truck it took. That's another story. We were on this small back road where we scraped the oil pan, and the tow truck/rv combo was about 90ft long. On a small back road.

The new cost for this model is-$500k+.

A new Cummins 500hp is-$40k, + install fee.

There is a new model, called the Navigator, with a 525hp standard engine, and 600hp option. Both are Cummins. You gotta be well off to own one. And be a good enough driver to drive one. This thing takes skill. With air brakes, air lift tag, 2 stage jake brake. I've driven it, all 42ft of it, but not far enough to use the jake. The first thing the jake does is drop the gear to 3.


Kyle

 

[husqvarna]

I haul a lot of firewood and I bought a 1995 1-ton F-350 with the 7.3L turbo diesil and dual wheels. It works great for hauling wood. Has 8 foot Rugby dump box that is very heavy duty. Wish it were 4x4 but I put good tires on the back and it does pretty well off-road. Its nice to have another truck around. I don't reccomend buying a truck that was plowed with. These trucks may have low miles but you can bet they were worked really hard. Your better off buying a truck with a few extra miles that has never had a plow on it. Hope this helps.

 

[gerard]

If the risk is misrepresented to the insurance company, then they may have a basis to void the policy if there is a loss.

Now, is this a truck or a trailer?

yes

 

[crashz]

In May I bought a 1987 GMC (grill is from a Chevy) V3500 dump. It has a 6.2L diesel, TH400 auto transmission and four wheel drive. The official reason for owning it is for peronal use around our land and for work chores around my house as well as family and friends. The real reason is that I always wanted one and it kind of nostalgic for me.

It was owned by a farmer prior to me and a local city prior to the farmer. I know the history of the truck and it never had an easy life. It was nearly totaled about a year after it was purchased when a driver was plowing and hit a catch basin, crumpling the right side of the frame. It was fixed many years later and put into use salting school parking lots until it was auctioned off due to sheet metal rot. The farmer put all new fenders, inners, doors and a cab from the south on it. He also used it to carry a salt spreader for a few years. He dumped a ton of money into it, and yet cheaped out on most of the repairs. I'd list them, but it would take far to long. Needless to say it is a road worthy constant project. Besides the purchase price I have invested an additional $1000 so far and have made only one offical load to a friends house. And blew out the exhaust doing so. The laundry list of maintenance tasks fills an 8 x11 sheet of paper, back and front.

The practicallity of the truck is low. Dry weight is around 7000 lbs. GVWR is 10,000 lbs. So realisticaly is can only handle a cubic yard of material depending on the density. A yard looks like a teaspoon of dirt in the back. 3 yards looks right, but the GVW, springs and performance all say its way overloaded.

It has a 10,000 lb GVWR, which allows me to register and insure under normal passenger plates. Commercial registration is required at 10,001. For the money, insurance and resgistration is almost equal, but if I went commercial I would need signs, DOT inspections, a log book, med card, DOT number, fuel users tax records and apportioned plates to travel into NY. Waaaaaay to much hassel for a personal use truck.

Essentially - a 1 ton dump is not a good choice for a work truck unless you absolutley want one and realize the short comings. All one tons are usually pretty thrashed from inexpereinced drivers (non CDL), over loading, and extreme duty for the drive train. Muni trucks even more so. Add in tasks like plowing and sanding, it becomes a challenge just to own the truck and keep it road worthy. I'd say a good 3/4 ton with dump trailer would out perform and cost much less.

Unless you're like me and love to pour your spare cash into old trucks. Its my only vice.

 

[75H2]

I agree with everything you said. I had 86 1 ton dump. It was used for plowing snow at a mall all it's life. When I got it all the sheet metal was rotted away from the salt, but the frame was solid. At 53K it was all used up. It was fun to play with, but with a 350 4 speed it was so underpowered even when empty the usefulness just wasn't there.

Still fun to have a little dump truck however

In May I bought a 1987 GMC (grill is from a Chevy) V3500 dump. It has a 6.2L diesel, TH400 auto transmission and four wheel drive. The official reason for owning it is for peronal use around our land and for work chores around my house as well as family and friends. The real reason is that I always wanted one and it kind of nostalgic for me.

It was owned by a farmer prior to me and a local city prior to the farmer. I know the history of the truck and it never had an easy life. It was nearly totaled about a year after it was purchased when a driver was plowing and hit a catch basin, crumpling the right side of the frame. It was fixed many years later and put into use salting school parking lots until it was auctioned off due to sheet metal rot. The farmer put all new fenders, inners, doors and a cab from the south on it. He also used it to carry a salt spreader for a few years. He dumped a ton of money into it, and yet cheaped out on most of the repairs. I'd list them, but it would take far to long. Needless to say it is a road worthy constant project. Besides the purchase price I have invested an additional $1000 so far and have made only one offical load to a friends house. And blew out the exhaust doing so. The laundry list of maintenance tasks fills an 8 x11 sheet of paper, back and front.

The practicallity of the truck is low. Dry weight is around 7000 lbs. GVWR is 10,000 lbs. So realisticaly is can only handle a cubic yard of material depending on the density. A yard looks like a teaspoon of dirt in the back. 3 yards looks right, but the GVW, springs and performance all say its way overloaded.

It has a 10,000 lb GVWR, which allows me to register and insure under normal passenger plates. Commercial registration is required at 10,001. For the money, insurance and resgistration is almost equal, but if I went commercial I would need signs, DOT inspections, a log book, med card, DOT number, fuel users tax records and apportioned plates to travel into NY. Waaaaaay to much hassel for a personal use truck.

Essentially - a 1 ton dump is not a good choice for a work truck unless you absolutley want one and realize the short comings. All one tons are usually pretty thrashed from inexpereinced drivers (non CDL), over loading, and extreme duty for the drive train. Muni trucks even more so. Add in tasks like plowing and sanding, it becomes a challenge just to own the truck and keep it road worthy. I'd say a good 3/4 ton with dump trailer would out perform and cost much less.

Unless you're like me and love to pour your spare cash into old trucks. Its my only vice.