'07 B series rumor mill?

[IslandTractor]

For those that have never operated a Position control system the quater inching valve works for them.

For those who have never driven a tractor, a horse works for them too.

I understand your point and one can certrainly use quarter inching to accomplish tasks if you don't have position control but name me a decent tractor in real Ag use that substitutes quarter inching for position control. The only reason Kubota doesn't offer it in the base B series is a marketing ploy to convince those who recognize its worth to buy up to the lux models. It would be very rare for someone to choose quarter inching over position control if they had used both.

I accept Neil's point that many B customers don't care but I suspect that is because most of those customers are either using the machines primarily with MMMs and don't use the 3pt at all or they are new to tractors and don't understand the significant advantage of the position control.

 

[ronjhall]

they are new to tractors and don't understand the significant advantage of the position control.

I think that would be the most popular reason. If you do not know what position control is. You would not know what it is until you operated a tractor with it on.
I do not know of another MFG that does not use PC on a 3PH except Kubota.

 

[Raddad]

We have used a B7100 for 4000 hours without position control and now our second tractor is a B7610 without position control. We use both for residential landscaping with a rear rake, front end loader, rotitiller, rear blade, rear mount mower and post hole digger. For 25 years I didn't know what position control was. With gauge wheels on my blade and rake why would I find position control usefull? I have check chains on the mouer. I'm guessing it would only be usefull with a disk or plow and even then I can just look behind me and set the depth. Help me understand why some of you think it's a valuable feature? What impliments require it's use?

 

[IslandTractor]

With gauge wheels on my blade and rake why would I find position control usefull? I have check chains on the mouer. I'm guessing it would only be usefull with a disk or plow and even then I can just look behind me and set the depth. Help me understand why some of you think it's a valuable feature? What impliments require it's use?

Obviously you have worked successfully without PC but that doesn't mean PC is not a significant advantage over a quarter inching system. You adapted to the quarter inching by using gauge wheels, check chains and experience. Certainly that works for you. PC makes it easier and less hassle. Some folks still use check chains and gauge wheels with PC but you don't need to rely on those auxiliary systems.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

I accept Neil's point that many B customers don't care but I suspect that is because most of those customers are either using the machines primarily with MMMs and don't use the 3pt at all or they are new to tractors and don't understand the significant advantage of the position control.

Yup. I've said this a dozen times, but it needs said again. You guys are not typical of the average tractor buyer. I'd say well over half of the machines sold will never have an attachment put on the 3pt. Same things goes for standard rear remotes, I probably install remotes on 1 out of every 20 B-Series, and 1 out of every 10 L's. Why put extra cost into these things if the consumer is not using them? A vest majority of B-Series tractors are used as TLM's, the average tractor owner does not want (or have room for) a garage full of implements. I can understand why some of these features would be nice to have, and I do understand the value of them - however from a product placment standpoint I think Kubota is making the right choice.

 

[Glowplug]

For those that have never operated a Position control system the quater inching valve works for them.

For those who have never driven a car a horse and buggy works for them too! So I guess ignorance is bliss so to speak. Just ask the BX-Boys who use quarter-inching control.

(Note: No offense intended to BX owners.)

 

[DAP]

For those who have never driven a car a horse and buggy works for them too! So I guess ignorance is bliss so to speak. Just ask the BX-Boys who use quarter-inching control.

(Note: No offense intended to BX owners.)

Easy there cowboy. My B7800 would handle your 16 acres just fine.

I can assure you my Q-inch valve purchase was not the result of ignorance, bliss or any combination thereof.

Still no tractor?

 

[Glowplug]

Easy there cowboy. My B7800 would handle your 16 acres just fine.

I can assure you my Q-inch valve purchase was not the result of ignorance, bliss or any combination thereof.

Still no tractor?

Hahahaha. LOL. I was expecting a comment at some point.
No, still no tractor. But it's at the dealer being tweaked and prepared for its new home. I'll bet my M7040 can take your B7800.

 

[DAP]

Hahahaha. LOL. I was expecting a comment at some point.
No, still no tractor. But it's at the dealer being tweaked and prepared for its new home. I'll bet my M7040 can take your B7800.

I'll take that bet. Say for a Spotted Draft gelding? You're on.

The bet is: My machine vs. Your machine: in ANY barn. Operative word, "in". Of course, since neither a horse or a tractor is actually IN your possession yet, this will be like stealing candy from an infant.

That M series may yet still be too small for you. Your britches do in fact fit the seat, no?

 

[Volfandt]

For those who have never driven a car a horse and buggy works for them too! So I guess ignorance is bliss so to speak. Just ask the BX-Boys who use quarter-inching control.
(Note: No offense intended to BX owners.

None taken, especially not from one who does not own a tractor......

re. position control vs qtr inching, if the debate is about PC being EASIER to use than QI then I'm in full agreement.

But QI IS a viable 3PH control as I've done way too much boxblade and garden plowing/disc'ing work with it to agree that it's not useful or is somehow inadequite. My old 48 TE20 didn't even have QI, it was basically just up/down....
Perhaps myself and others that learned to work a tractor w/QI and less, are just too exceptional in our tractor expertise to be able to work without PC