New rules for ethanol in gasoline

[masscity]

E10 screwed up my 2008 Champion 3500/4000 generator, it took a lot of running with SeaFoam and I finally got it running normal.

Now everything except my Silverado gets E0 91(with SeaFoam), including my Ferguson TO-35.

Now with E0 91 I can mix a can of Husky gas and use it for a couple of years and it's fine.

 

[Harrygoodwrench]

I would never put gasoline with any percentage of ethanol in any of my small engines.

 

[mrmikey]

I would never put gasoline with any percentage of ethanol in any of my small engines.

Nor would I if I had a choice, it's all that's available here in NS.

 

[ultrarunner]

E10 screwed up my 2008 Champion 3500/4000 generator, it took a lot of running with SeaFoam and I finally got it running normal.

Now everything except my Silverado gets E0 91(with SeaFoam), including my Ferguson TO-35.

Now with E0 91 I can mix a can of Husky gas and use it for a couple of years and it's fine.

Exact same thing to my reliable Champion 3500…

I’ve been trying seafoam but will only run choked.

There are no options in my part of California except expensive canned gas.

I was in Nevada and bought ethanol free and my MPG noticeably increased… Toyota 4cyl.

 

[DarkBlack]

“We know this causes more smog, but there are wars where a lot of oil comes from, so we’re going to look the other way, on the smog rules, so you can have cheaper corn-gas.”

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[big bubba]

my sympathies to forum members in locations where ethanol free fuel is not practically available and just take their chances or get extremely priced containerized fuel.
Either way, i would never consider ethanol contaminated fuel for my small engine needs, or my older vehicles.

this discussion makes me wonder if we will start to see biodiesel blended with diesel at the pumps. get out the biocide additive & other...

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

There are youtube videos how to get ethanol out of it if ethanol-free is not available in your area.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

My neighbor friend puts a fuel shut off valve on small engines, mowers, etc and right as he's through mowing shuts valve until carb runs dry.

 

[mrmikey]

There are youtube videos how to get ethanol out of it if ethanol-free is not available in your area.

Problem is removing the corn also lowers the octane.

 

[ultrarunner]

my sympathies to forum members in locations where ethanol free fuel is not practically available and just take their chances or get extremely priced containerized fuel.
Either way, i would never consider ethanol contaminated fuel for my small engine needs, or my older vehicles.

this discussion makes me wonder if we will start to see biodiesel blended with diesel at the pumps. get out the biocide additive & other...

I’ve noticed the greatest problem is with equipment subject to large temperature swings or stored for longer than 4 to 6 weeks.

Small 2 strokes that I keep in the basement have remained trouble free.

Equipment in the pole barn not as lucky and stored outside a crap shoot.

 

[RayIN]

This applies not only to small engines but gas tractors and motorcycles as well..

The EPA changed their requirement for corn alcohol in gasoline in certain states, effective in 2023. The states of Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, Ohio, Nebraska. South Dakota and Wisconsin.

Keep in mind that anything over 10% by volume of corn alcohol added to gasoline spells death for small engines. They aren't designed and don't have the fuel systems capable of handling anymore than 10%

The petroleum producers also warned the EPA that the additional corn alcohol would increase the cost per gallon in those states as well, of course the EPA didn't listen.

You cannot pipeline e-gas as it's corrosive to pipelines. It has to be blended in at the refinery and road trucked to filling stations.

I think we all know what 10% e-gas does (without the addition of a stabilizer) now. 15% will be worse.

I already switched my chainsaws and weed trimmers over to syn fuel. It's expensive but I'm tired of dealing with gunked carbs and failed fuel lines on seasonal and occasional use gas powered equipment.

Here non-ethanol gasoline is sold to use in equipment and antique vehicles, it was $6/G before this conflict was started.

 

[RayIN]

some recommend running dry at end of season...but for me, that can also be problematic as gum residue can mess with carb venturi and shut off solenoids. Overall, i just go non ethanol and Stabil.

Any carbureted engine retains a small amount of fuel in the float-bowl even after running the engine "dry". One of my gensets has a drain screw in the bottom of the float bowl with a gas drain line to the outside of the enclosure.

 

[California]

In one of these threads I referenced a BeVeryAfraid analysis of the consequences if Hormuz doesn't re-open soon.

While that was probably over-emphasized, it pointed out that much of the fertilizer worldwide that is needed to grow corn, has to go through Hormuz. So that blockade, if prolonged, will raise fertilizer prices worldwide. No fertilizer, no corn crop, no Ethanol. Or more realistically, higher prices here, to match world-market price.

To summarize, Ethanol wouldn't be a replacement for a shortage of gasoline feedstock.

That is a worst-case analysis, but this outcome is within the realm of possible. Keep an eye on Iran's blockade.

 

[RayIN]

In one of these threads I referenced a BeVeryAfraid analysis of the consequences if Hormuz doesn't re-open soon.

While that was probably over-emphasized, it pointed out that much of the fertilizer worldwide that is needed to grow corn, has to go through Hormuz. So that blockade, if prolonged, will raise fertilizer prices worldwide. No fertilizer, no corn crop, no Ethanol. Or more realistically, higher prices here, to match world-market price.

To summarize, Ethanol wouldn't be a replacement for a shortage of gasoline feedstock.

That is a worst-case analysis, but this outcome is within the realm of possible. Keep an eye on Iran's blockade.

Yes there will still be row crops grown, however yield per acre will be much lower without todays amount of fertilize applied per acre.

 

[ruffdog]

Yes there will still be row crops grown, however yield per acre will be much lower without todays amount of fertilize applied per acre.

Several years ago I saw a program on TV talking about crop farming. One thing they said was without today's fertilizer etc, there is no way they could grow enough food.

 

[Phil Timmons]

In one of these threads I referenced a BeVeryAfraid analysis of the consequences if Hormuz doesn't re-open soon.

While that was probably over-emphasized, it pointed out that much of the fertilizer worldwide that is needed to grow corn, has to go through Hormuz. So that blockade, if prolonged, will raise fertilizer prices worldwide. No fertilizer, no corn crop, no Ethanol. Or more realistically, higher prices here, to match world-market price.

Any idea where? Did not see the "BeVeryAfraid" (Worst Case) Analysis from you? Thanks!

To summarize, Ethanol wouldn't be a replacement for a shortage of gasoline feedstock.

Yeah, Gasoline is not so much the look-out or work-around ahead. US knows how to deal with Higher-Priced or Gasoline Shortage. More likely a work-around for Diesel would be good. Maybe in the form of re-work or replace of the Engine(s).

That is a worst-case analysis, but this outcome is within the realm of possible. Keep an eye on Iran's blockade.

This is calling for looking for increased bouncing ahead.

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Same but more from this >>>

 

[California]

Any idea where? Did not see the "BeVeryAfraid" (Worst Case) Analysis from you? Thanks!

Here it is again. Note there are several pages, click the right-arrow.
And Ill go add this link to the post you saw.

https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1s66nye/experts_warn_global_mass_starvation_is_coming_by

 

[California]

Here's a whole lot of discussion on the topic.

As usual, some of the comments well-informed, some ignorant nonsense.

[Wait a moment for this to load. It's slow on my ranch DSL!]

https://www.reddit.com/r/oil/comments/1s75qte/weekend_for_oil_houthis_enter_the_chat_march_29

 

[Phil Timmons]

Here it is again. Note there are several pages, click the right-arrow.
And Ill go add this link to the post you saw.

https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1s66nye/experts_warn_global_mass_starvation_is_coming_by

Thanks! I did see the image, did not catch it was a link.

Stanislav Krapivnik . That guy is worth listening to. Would not count him as a BeVeryAfraid. Much more of a BeVeryAware. Logistics guy, former US Army.

The attached one is worthy -- Crude for Diesel is the stuff US is still importing, as well.

 

[ultrarunner]

Several years ago I saw a program on TV talking about crop farming. One thing they said was without today's fertilizer etc, there is no way they could grow enough food.

Coming from a small family self sufficient dairy farm with hay and crops the only fertilizer my grandparents and uncle used is animal dung… mostly from the cows but also pigs and chickens.

Sure you could smell it a half mile away but they had numerous awards for milk fat content, etc.

Here in California the 1/8 acre food plot only had steer and horse manure…