inverter welders

[kenmac]

Most ESAB inverters run 6011 well and Everlast offers them as well. Any company that sells them will definitely mention that they will. But if you look for something with a higher open circuit voltage OCV like 65 or higher it should do well with 6010..

I bought an everlast and I can't seem to get it to hold an arc. If you pull the rod back just the slightest, it loses the arc.

 

[sandman2234]

I have the little Hobart 160i ... My biggest problem is starting a full new stick (probably my inexperience!) ... Once started it's fine, I like 240VAC MUCH better than 120VAC, and like the 7014 rod ... And don't like the 6011, wish I didn't buy the "deal" of 25 Lb boxes of it!

Purple ticks are what I have so far ...

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I can run the 240 in the garage, or out and about with my 7K portable generator, and only used the 120 setting once in the barn, better to move to the garage or bring the generator out ...

Wow, in my world of transformer welders, the 6011 is the easiest rod to run, and you can weld dirty/rusty/painted metal with it! The 7014 is a lot easier to run, just drop the tip and get the angle right and it just runs itself, and while it produces a beautiful bead, it doesn't like any impurities that are commonplace with the 6011. If you hit an impurity with the 7014, you are probably going to have a hole in your bead! (but when it is clean metal, it looks SO GOOD!
David from jax

 

[RandyT]

I have the little Hobart 160i ... My biggest problem is starting a full new stick (probably my inexperience!) ... Once started it's fine, I like 240VAC MUCH better than 120VAC, and like the 7014 rod ... And don't like the 6011, wish I didn't buy the "deal" of 25 Lb boxes of it!

Purple ticks are what I have so far ...

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I can run the 240 in the garage, or out and about with my 7K portable generator, and only used the 120 setting once in the barn, better to move to the garage or bring the generator out ...

I have the same machine. I think the issue with starting a new rod most of the time is how far the rod sticks out creating a waving wand so hard to hold steady. I run mostly the 3/32 6011 rods for root passing and for welding dirty metal. Even prefer to run the 6011 electrode negative for thinner material over using the 6013 in some cases. Found in some cases where I can weld 3/32 electrode negative 6011 in cases where a 1/16 6013 is too hot.

I use more 3/32 7018 over any other rods that I have. Can be tricky to start due to potential sticking issues and knocking the flux off. Getting low on 7018 so may pick up some 7014 in the future

 

[yomax4]

I bought an everlast and I can't seem to get it to hold an arc. If you pull the rod back just the slightest, it loses the arc.

Does the Everlast manual say that it will run 6010? Some models do, other do not. Most Inverters that are not built to run 6010 seem powerless when you try. If yours is supposed to run it I'd give Everlast a call.

 

[chim]

My 200STi says it will do cellulose rods. Next time it's fit to be out working on the scraper blade project I'll experiment a bit. When I bought the Everlast I did pick up a variety of electrodes to try at the hardware store. There's one canister of 6010, 6011 and 6013 of different diameters that I don't remember much about. The 7014 has been working so well the others have been largely ignored.

 

[Gordon Gould]

I have an EverLast PowerARC 200ST. It is older. About 7 years old. It has a separate negative plug for 6010/11 and another one for other rods. It runs 6011 fine. This is 1/8 7018 on 1/2 stock. You can see the special ground on the left.

I found this video

running 6010 and 7018 on EverLast PowerARC 200ST - Google Search

gg

 

[Shawn T. W.]

In case you didn't know ... @Mark @ Everlast is not only a member here, but the sponsor of this section ... I'm sure he is full of helpful answers ...

 

[Gordon Gould]

In case you didn't know ... @Mark @ Everlast is not only a member here, but the sponsor of this section ... I'm sure he is full of helpful answers ...

I would send him a PM and see what he has to say.....

gg

 

[kenmac]

Does the Everlast manual say that it will run 6010? Some models do, other do not. Most Inverters that are not built to run 6010 seem powerless when you try. If yours is supposed to run it I'd give Everlast a call.

I'll look tomorrow. It's the 210 I believe which is a tig/ welder. I mostly run 6011 which isn't much difference than a 6010. I can use either here at the farm.
Thanks. I let ya know what the manual states tomorrow

 

[sd455dan]

if anyone knows of an inverter that will hold an arc with any of 60 series rods let me know. I may just buy another one, But I'm thinking it's all these inverters that are like this and that arc force doesn't seem to be much help

I think a few years back there was a thread on Welding Web about Inverters that run 6010 well

IIRC the Esab Mini arc 161 LTS? was good with 6010

One comment on WW

"The ESAB 161 is dual voltage (110/220) so you can use it just about anywhere. You'll need a 20A breaker for the 110. The 161 will run 6010 flawlessly if you need to run that rod. I ran mine on 110 until I got my shop wired for 220, then switched over to using it on 220. Welds great. Mine has been a workhorse and I would buy another in a heartbeat. There are several folks here on the forum who use the 161, so I'm sure some of them may chip in on the subject. Mine is the stick only version, no TIG.

One good word about ESAB...my original 161 developed a loud "pop" when I turned it on, but welded just fine. I was concerned since I had only one month to go on the original 3 year warranty. I called the LWS where I bought it and told them about the problem. They asked me to wait a day or so while they contacted ESAB. They called back the next day and said ESAB was sending me a new welder, no questions asked!! Warranty and customer service like that is VERY rare these days. The replacement has been working just fine for about the last two years with no problems.

 

[chim]

Here's a clip from my 200STi manual:

 

[kenmac]

Does the Everlast manual say that it will run 6010? Some models do, other do not. Most Inverters that are not built to run 6010 seem powerless when you try. If yours is supposed to run it I'd give Everlast a call.

I don't see where it mentions a 6010 but it does mention 6011 just a little... stating that it may require more arc force control than other rods. I generally set the arc force at the highest setting.
From what I've been reading, inverter machines have difficulty burning cellulose rods

 

[chim]

I don't see where it mentions a 6010 but it does mention 6011 just a little... stating that it may require more arc force control than other rods. I generally set the arc force at the highest setting.
From what I've been reading, inverter machines have difficulty burning cellulose rods

The post above yours is a clip from my Everlast 200STi manual and it includes mention of 6010. Below is a picture of the front of my welder showing the button referenced in the clip.

One of my rod cans has an assortment that I haven't taken the time to test drive because the 7014's have been doing well. It has some 6010, 6011 & 6013. I'll make it a point to give them a try and post the results when I have time. My welding is done outdoors and right now if there's a good weather day it is used to make progress on refurbing an oddball 7' rear blade.

 

[yomax4]

I don't see where it mentions a 6010 but it does mention 6011 just a little... stating that it may require more arc force control than other rods. I generally set the arc force at the highest setting.
From what I've been reading, inverter machines have difficulty burning cellulose rods

Some inverters have trouble running 6010 and some can't do it at all. Most folks that look at a new Inverter ask that question 1st. Often the multi-process inverters are the ones that don't do well with 6010 but the small stick only units normally run it. It's all about what you are looking for in a machine. When I was selling Inverters usually the 1st question asked was will it run 6010 and they made their choice.

 

[dieselscout80]

I’m not real experienced anymore on welding.

That said my Harbor Freight Titanium 200 amp Arc/Tig (DC & AC) welder starts 6011 rods easier than 6013 or 7018.

All of them weld fine once running.

 

[kenmac]

Some inverters have trouble running 6010 and some can't do it at all. Most folks that look at a new Inverter ask that question 1st. Often the multi-process inverters are the ones that don't do well with 6010 but the small stick only units normally run it. It's all about what you are looking for in a machine. When I was selling Inverters usually the 1st question asked was will it run 6010 and they made their choice.

Because I read where inverters didn't do well with 6011 and 6010. I did ask that specific question before I bought it, and was told it would run both rods without issue. The reason I ask is that's the only rods I use here at the farm because they are so versatile.
Had they told me that it wouldn't run either of these rods, I would have bought a specific tig machine, and a separate inverter for stick. But these sellers are telling people that these multi process machines will do it all. tig, mig and stick

I really wouldn't care if it didn't run a 6010 as long as it would run a 6011 fine, but I haven't been able to get it to run a 6011 fine, It's a struggle. Perhaps I just need more practice with this inverter where a transformer machine is more forgiving .

I found this info as my manual appears to have been copied and difficult to read.

Yes, the Everlast PowerTIG 210EXT welder will weld with 6011 rods, and it's actually recommended over 6010 for inverter machines like this, offering good arc stability and performance for general repairs, though it might take some adjustment to your technique compared to transformer welders. The machine handles 6011 well with its built-in hot start and arc force controls, providing a smooth, reliable stick welding experience for cellulosic rod needs.

 

[sd455dan]

I'll look tomorrow. It's the 210 I believe which is a tig/ welder. I mostly run 6011 which isn't much difference than a 6010. I can use either here at the farm.
Thanks. I let ya know what the manual states tomorrow

Check the 210 manual, some Everlast inverters have a setting called "Power set function or mode"


This unit is designed for operation with Cellulosic electrodes such as E6010 and E 6011. However, to use these rods, the Power-Set mode must be engaged, and the correct rod type and size selected. Improved function of all rods can be obtained through the use of thePower-Set function. In manual mode, rods such as E7014 and E7018 work well, but selecting the Power-Set mode can simplify operation and improve performance. 120V operation will reduce the capability of the E6010 setting however since arc force action is limited and hot start action is reduced.

 

[yomax4]

Because I read where inverters didn't do well with 6011 and 6010. I did ask that specific question before I bought it, and was told it would run both rods without issue. The reason I ask is that's the only rods I use here at the farm because they are so versatile.
Had they told me that it wouldn't run either of these rods, I would have bought a specific tig machine, and a separate inverter for stick. But these sellers are telling people that these multi process machines will do it all. tig, mig and stick

I really wouldn't care if it didn't run a 6010 as long as it would run a 6011 fine, but I haven't been able to get it to run a 6011 fine, It's a struggle. Perhaps I just need more practice with this inverter where a transformer machine is more forgiving .

I found this info as my manual appears to have been copied and difficult to read.

Yes, the Everlast PowerTIG 210EXT welder will weld with 6011 rods, and it's actually recommended over 6010 for inverter machines like this, offering good arc stability and performance for general repairs, though it might take some adjustment to your technique compared to transformer welders. The machine handles 6011 well with its built-in hot start and arc force controls, providing a smooth, reliable stick welding experience for cellulosic rod needs.

I've ran into the same thing where they say they will run 6010/6011 and they do strike an arc but it's far from a real weld. 6010 and 6011 run nearly identical it's just that 6011 was more of an AC rod and 6010 was more of a DC rod. Both perform well on DC Inverters that are actually built to run them. Your issue certainly sucks and I know exactly what you're dealing with. I have a couple machines right now that the manual says they run them and they don't.

 

[sd455dan]

Agree my Lotos Inverter Plasma/stick/ TIG 3 in 1 is OK with 7018 but basically useless with 6010, The HTP MTS 220 much better, The ancient transformer Ideal ARC TIG 300 300 it is easy to run. The only problem is trying to go mobile the 800lb refrigerator sized Ideal Arc is a no go.

 

[kenmac]

I've ran into the same thing where they say they will run 6010/6011 and they do strike an arc but it's far from a real weld. 6010 and 6011 run nearly identical it's just that 6011 was more of an AC rod and 6010 was more of a DC rod. Both perform well on DC Inverters that are actually built to run them. Your issue certainly sucks and I know exactly what you're dealing with. I have a couple machines right now that the manual says they run them and they don't.

The sad part is, you read their machine will run those rods, and the seller you're buying from says their machine will run those rods. Then you buy based on the info you've been given, and their machine won't rum them, you're just screwed !
I've basically got a $1700.00 tig only machine

Thanks for your time. At least you understand my frustration and my gripe with this machine