Squatters

   / Squatters #31  
The trouble I have with motion triggered cameras is wind, overhead trees make moving shadows.

I end up with huge amounts of video to trawl through (or not bother with).


I lived in Amsterdam Netherlands for a decade or three; they used to have a big squatting culture, and many of my friends lived in squatted buildings. It was a reaction to a time when there was a housing shortage, yet there were hundreds of empty buildings owned mostly by banks, who didn't want to take a loss by selling just then.

Populist government passed squatting rights laws and property owners rights were out the window for a long time.

I had a neighbor who bought a huge empty barge on the river, with a permanent mooring that was zoned as a residence. He asked me to help him with the lines, which I did. A year later, he told me it was squatted by a bunch of young punks and he didn't know what to do.

One of my other neighbors had a young punk son who had moved out; the kid told me him and his friends had squatted a huge empty barge on the river.

"Has that got like, 4 thick new shiny blue mooring lines?" I asked him.

"How did you know that?" he asked.

The owner, a Dutch doctor who was married to an American woman, disappeared into Thailand a few years later. Eventually his bank seized the barge and sold it to cover the unpaid mortgage.

The kid matured and often works for me.

The barge was built into a 4000 sq. ft. home and was recently sold again for around $2 million. I believe it's the biggest houseboat in Amsterdam.

Some friends of mine squatted a disused train station shed, and made a workshop in it. They let me use it too, so I have to shoulder some squat responsibility of my own.

The squatting rights laws have been repealed. Mostly at least.
 
   / Squatters #32  
It varies by state quite a bit.

The sad, but unsurprising, wording in many of these state laws in that the squatters have to pay taxes to gain lawful ownership, but they don't have to pay the actual property owners anything.

Some states have tightened up their laws making it a bit easier to evict.
I’ve never heard of such a thing. The county assessor and registrar record copies of deeds and lien holders. Nobody else can claim ownership unless taxes are in arrears for multiple years and they are offered up officially for back taxes. Squatters have zero rights to property.
 
   / Squatters #33  
I’ve never heard of such a thing. The county assessor and registrar record copies of deeds and lien holders. Nobody else can claim ownership unless taxes are in arrears for multiple years and they are offered up officially for back taxes. Squatters have zero rights to property.
Here is an article from a mainstream source.

 
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#34  
Here it can require a lengthy and expensive legal process once entrenched…

Some cases are famous.

Even in a city there are cases of acquiring property by moving in and paying taxes for a number of years.

The number one fraud appears to be title theft… forged documents convey title and new “Owner” takes a cash out mortgage and by the time it’s discovered they are long gone leaving a mess behind.
 
   / Squatters #35  
Here is an article from a mainstream source.

That appears to be more focused on renter’s rights than ownership. Squatters aren’t renters and have no legal rights to be on another person’s property.
 
   / Squatters #36  
That appears to be more focused on renter’s rights than ownership.
How so?

Say you have a 2nd home or cabin. You were tied up with a serious life issue at your primary residence and some squatters set up in your 2nd place. Depending on the state laws, those people are treated like tenants.

That's why it reads a bit like it applies to renters.
 
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#37  
The son of a woman faced with squatters moved in with his biker buddies… the squatters called to have the son removed but he had a lease so it was considered a civil matter with the police opting not to remove anyone…
 
   / Squatters #38  
How so?

Say you have a 2nd home or cabin. You were tied up with a serious life issue at your primary residence and some squatters set up in your 2nd place. Depending on the state laws, those people are treated like tenants.

That's why it reads a bit like it applies to renters.
Never heard of such a thing. A call to the sheriff would get them gone ASAP. Or a few well placed shots.
 
   / Squatters #39  
Never heard of such a thing. A call to the sheriff would get them gone ASAP. Or a few well placed shots.
That's how it should be, but it has become sophisticated. People sometimes think they have a valid contract. Imagine your 2nd place is 'rented' by someone claiming to be you. The squatters have a 'lease'. Or the squatters just invent that scenario for legal cover. Like Ultra said, LEOs treat it as a civil matter and stay out of it.

Some states are tightening their laws to prevent this stuff.
 
   / Squatters #40  
The latest Starlink antennae is flat and would be easy to hide. I have a second generation unit and one has to be at certain places around the house to see it. It is not obvious at all. I think the third generation antenna can be places horizontally and still work depending on one's sky view. I know people on boats are doing this, and while they don't have to usually worry about trees, they can have masts, rigging, radar, etc blocking the sky view.

Our antennae is now pointing east but it used to point north. As the number of satellites increased, Starlink automagically reoriented our antennae.
There are ways to run Starlink off of batteries but one will have to have a way to put power into the batteries.

We have some ReoLink motion sensor cameras. They work. I had to tweek them to minimize false alerts but it was not hard. The big trigger of false alerts has been bugs. The cameras will trigger on people, cars, pets, deer, and insects, that later being a problem on one camera due to it's location. The cameras have been very helpful when we have been away from the house. Nice to be able to check and see if things look as we left them.

Some of our cameras are powered by an AC outlet but some are solar powered. They have all worked well for years. The only problem I had was with one solar powered unit, that used a cell card for communication, which failed with the power cable from the solar panel chafed and broke. That was my fault. I had thought I had secured the cable well enough but I did not. The wind was able to "unsecure" the cable and eventually the moving back and forth in the wind broke the cable. :-( Well that is my theory but a tree rat could have done it too. 🤬 😁
 

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