Squatters

[Eagle1]

I live on 20 acres. I would still not want open sewage on the 40 acres next to me.

Define open sewage, around here lagoon systems (cesspool if you wish) are the standard. Clay and Rock does not perk so options are limited. My system here is a 3 cell lagoon system with a little over 2 acres of surface area. It was over 2 years of storage when we had the park running now I would guess 5+ years of waste water storage.
Many municipal system (small towns) have lagoon system for their sewage in rural areas of MO.

I see that NM still has and permits lagoon systems in poor and rural areas.

 

[JRH02]

I didn't address my comment to you.

Touchy feely today?

It doesn't matter the State. It matters how you deal with the waste competently and with the soils, absorption and whether you are picking posies next year to put in your salad.

 

[tradosaurus]

Touchy feely today?

It doesn't matter the State. It matters how you deal with the waste competently and with the soils, absorption and whether you are picking posies next year to put in your salad.

Thanks you are now on my ignore list!

 

[Torvy]

It's not the responsibility of the home owner to keep other peoples animals off their property.
In my area problem animals are taken care of permanently. I don't have a dog but have lost a few cats either to varmints or neighbors who didn't like them on their property.

In much of Texas, it is. Our county is open range. Critters run free. If someone's dog was harassing livestock, there would be a legal issue. 99% of the neighbors would handle a stray 1 of 2 ways. They either adopt them or finish them. There are simply too many to take in. Every neighbor already has 2+ dogs.

This guy just wants the county to handle the tough work. To be fair, he has 5 dogs at least 2 were strays dumped around here.

@jyoutz we do have septic requirements. That's it though.

As for property values...it's a tradeoff. The people who are interested in living out here would put less value on a place with restrictions than a place that might have poor neighbors. I can see 1 neighbor from my house.

Like with equipment, at my age, I don't care about resale value. Kids will be fine. I'd prefer they keep the place, even if only for vacations. If they sell it, they get what they get.

Fortunately, for people who like different options, Texas is big and they are free to live in a city or a more restrictive county, should they choose.

 

[dodge man]

I said where I live there are no regulations or inspections. That’s not 100% true, well and septic being something the board of health looks at.

 

[JRH02]

There are ways of dealing with a myriad of issues. Septic being one. I'm sorry but not, that I got blocked by someone above. He has things to learn. But really it depends where you live. I can handle things things our way that another can't where they live.

My wife is an educated biologist with a MS. I am a lowly engineer with a BS. Between the two of us we deal with waste to the benefit of our forest. That's right, a PNW forest. We don't live in TX. Consequently I don't want someone in TX giving judgement over how we deal with waste.

This goes to the subject of people from the outside people moving into an area where they have no clue but they are going to fix it at everyone else's expense.

 

[MossRoad]

In much of Texas, it is. Our county is open range.,,,,

That concept was foreign to me until about 15ish years ago when someone was explaining open lands in other states. You have to fence others' animals out. They don't have to fence them in.

Similarly, I did not know about trespassing laws in other states, and that land in other states may be considered open unless otherwise posted.

Interesting differences.

 

[JRH02]

That concept was foreign to me until about 15ish years ago when someone was explaining open lands in other states. You have to fence others' animals out. They don't have to fence them in.

Similarly, I did not know about trespassing laws in other states, and that land in other states may be considered open unless otherwise posted.

Interesting differences.

Fencing animals in or out is something of major consideration in range land. We have signage on the highway stating Open Range as we cross into it each time we come and go. You hit a beef cow and you are liable. Ever think about that?

What about fencing PEOPLE out where signage is ignored or even the purple trees where fence can't go? "I didn't see" the No Hunting or No Trespassing sign. But they sure didn't miss the purple trees.

Posting should make no difference, claiming you didn't see a sign.... You should know where you are at any time. As you say State laws vary.

 

[JRH02]

That concept was foreign to me until about 15ish years ago when someone was explaining open lands in other states. You have to fence others' animals out. They don't have to fence them in.

Similarly, I did not know about trespassing laws in other states, and that land in other states may be considered open unless otherwise posted.

Interesting differences.

This is not federal law. It varies by the state. Mainly Ag and livestock states. But if you raise livestock anywhere you spend a bunch of time and dollars on fence. Even though the average beef considers a fence only as a suggestion.

 

[JRH02]

But livestock aren't squatters, necessarily. No, you shouldn't shoot them. Let's get back to squatters. Are they a tax deduction?

 

[jyoutz]

Define open sewage, around here lagoon systems (cesspool if you wish) are the standard. Clay and Rock does not perk so options are limited. My system here is a 3 cell lagoon system with a little over 2 acres of surface area. It was over 2 years of storage when we had the park running now I would guess 5+ years of waster water storage.
Many municipal system (small towns) have lagoon system for their sewage in rural areas of MO.

I see that NM still has and permits lagoon systems in poor and rural areas.

I’m not aware of any lagoon systems anywhere I’ve been in NM. Treated water lagoons yes. Untreated sewage lagoons, no.

 

[JasperFrank]

In England there are ancient rights of way. So you get to walk across properties.

 

[JRH02]

In England there are ancient rights of way. So you get to walk across properties.

England has their problems and we have ours. Let's not mix them up.

 

[jyoutz]

That concept was foreign to me until about 15ish years ago when someone was explaining open lands in other states. You have to fence others' animals out. They don't have to fence them in.

Similarly, I did not know about trespassing laws in other states, and that land in other states may be considered open unless otherwise posted.

Interesting differences.

Open range is pretty much the norm in the western states as well as Texas. You have to fence livestock off of your property. BUT, most ranches are fenced nowadays. Cattle and other livestock are too valuable to lose and rangeland herding isn’t 24/7 like in the past.

 

[JRH02]

I love it when there are facts involved instead of 'feelings'.

 

[tacticalturnip]

I'll tell you what fascinates me, as a New Englander and a Mainer specifically, the amount of power a County has versus a Town. Our communities are centered around the towns and counties have extremely limited authority compared to what seems to be the rest of the country.

 

[JRH02]

I break away from the Squatters topic because this is relevant: I'll say again it depends where you live.

Somebody else mentioned they live in a county, far removed, as do we. We have what some cringe as a Constitutional Sheriff. I can tell you that if you do something stupid and against the common law he will hang you out by your thumbs. On the other hand if you are within your rights he will protect you without a breath. No Feds or State cops will be allowed unless he approves them. It is his county because he is the highest elected official. In liberal Washington this guy is a major target.

A few years ago we had a cougar kill a sheep in its pen inside our perimeter. The next day, as remote as we are, the deputies were up with a special detail of hounds to track it. The DNR/F&W throws a tantrum over this because they should be in control. The sheriff sends them away.

And some of y'all want to argue over flushing your toilet.

 

[mark in portugal]

toilets have been an issue for me in 3 countries... I've had outhouses in the US and in India, straight into the water on my houseboat in Amsterdam, which was outlawed so now we have pump and city sewer (which is dangerous).

Here in Portugal I put in a "regular" septic tank and drain field, but now it's not allowed anymore because we live in a nature reserve.

New installations have to be just holding tanks that get pumped out periodically.
I mean; really? it's just feces, it has always happened and always will. What's all the excitement about?

 

[JRH02]

Ya know, folks, if you meet the wife at the gate and close it behind her AND help unload the pickup, all these arguments pale in comparison to a good meal or hug or....

When all is said and done it is the stuff right within your walls that is most important. Not the least is the wife not walking 75' in the snow to the outhouse in the middle of the night. If you love your wife you will fix that issue.

 

[BackRoad]

^^^^ Yup...that's what chamber pots are for!

My grandmother never ever emptied hers...it was the daily chore for the youngest grandson...BTDT...