Compact sub compact?

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Hello, looking to make a used or maybe new purchase of a open cab subcompact tractor, it will be used for mowing a hilly area with belly mower and snow removal, used once a year for wood making, grading reconditioning small driveway on hill.

Kind of interested in the bobcat 1021, due to its small size, Mahindra, ls/ new holland or Kubota sub compacts. Seems all subcompacts are hydrostatic drive these days which I'm not much of a fan of currently anyway. Mind you it's only about three hilly acres up there it will be used on. Currently use a old JD 212 with extra weight and bar tires for mowing and and a 4 wheeler with tire chains, weight box, using either plow, or self contained snow blower for snow removal up there, somewhat easily detachable Loader and belly mower are what I'm looking at. Seems like used subcompacts I've found have one or the other but not both/ deck and small loader.

Somewhat apprehensive buying used envisioning some used subcompacts were initially operated like a d9 lol.

initial new tractor quotes I've currently received were all about the same, I've looked at older threads and posts Not interested in considering or looking at zero turns for up there.

Thanks for insight, Jeff.
I have a Kioti CS2022 with loader and belly mower and third function. The loader has skid steer attach. I bought it in October of 2023. It has right at 90 hours on it. The local dealer did the 50 hour service. It has done everything I have asked it to do. I am selling it because of health reasons. I am in North East Texas. I am asking $15,00.00 cash money for it. The price is firm.
Course, it is a long ways from MI. to TX.
I have been on a Kubota BX2200 with belly mower since 2010. It did not have a FEL. I moved on to get skid steer attach FEL.
 
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   / Compact sub compact? #63  
Kubota BX’s and JD 1 series are very common used and are solid tractors.
They also have pretty easily attached/detached loaders and mowers. I run a B series--a bit more tractor--and can swap out either item in a matter of a few minutes. I had the loader on and off three times in four days last week without breaking a sweat.
 
   / Compact sub compact? #64  
I'm a big fan of Massey Ferguson compacts and sub compacts. I have a GC2300 and 1825E and both have been great tractors. I don't mow with them though. I can say that a compact tractor will ride much better and is a lot more stable than the sub compacts.
 
   / Compact sub compact? #65  
Hello, looking to make a used or maybe new purchase of a open cab subcompact tractor, it will be used for mowing a hilly area with belly mower and snow removal, used once a year for wood making, grading reconditioning small driveway on hill.

Kind of interested in the bobcat 1021, due to its small size, Mahindra, ls/ new holland or Kubota sub compacts. Seems all subcompacts are hydrostatic drive these days which I'm not much of a fan of currently anyway. Mind you it's only about three hilly acres up there it will be used on. Currently use a old JD 212 with extra weight and bar tires for mowing and and a 4 wheeler with tire chains, weight box, using either plow, or self contained snow blower for snow removal up there, somewhat easily detachable Loader and belly mower are what I'm looking at. Seems like used subcompacts I've found have one or the other but not both/ deck and small loader.

Somewhat apprehensive buying used envisioning some used subcompacts were initially operated like a d9 lol.

initial new tractor quotes I've currently received were all about the same, I've looked at older threads and posts Not interested in considering or looking at zero turns for up there.

Thanks for insight, Jeff.
What is with you people mowing sidehills? Worst place for a Bobcat. Sounds like you should stick with what you have.
 
   / Compact sub compact? #66  
I have a five acre residential lot . I bought a JD 990 and an attachment JD Backhoe for Landscaping about ten years ago . For the Maintenance of the lawn we used a 60" Swisher Zero Turn , the lot is reasonably flat and it did a good job . A year a go , the house weeping tile drain was plugged with tree roots so I dug a 200 foot trench six foot deep , in the fall and winter , the open trench filled in . We bought a used Kubota B23S and I cleared the trench six feet deep with the Kubota . The JD Backhoe is a PIA to attach to the 990 tractor ! The B23S preformed very well being that much more manoeuvrable . The belly 60" mower does a better job and turns quicker than the Old Swisher and has a Grass Catcher avaliable also . The Loader is not as fast as the JD 430 Six foot bucket to clear snow but the hydrostatic drive is much better than the Manual Gearbox of the JD ( your legs will appreciate this feature after a long duration !!!! ) . The Kubota is not the Best in very Category but it is the 'Swiss Army Knife' of equipment ! Vote for the B23S , ease of attaching Loader and Backhoe with a Mechanical Finger is a Biggie in my assessment .
 
   / Compact sub compact? #67  
Hello, looking to make a used or maybe new purchase of a open cab subcompact tractor, it will be used for mowing a hilly area with belly mower and snow removal, used once a year for wood making, grading reconditioning small driveway on hill.

Kind of interested in the bobcat 1021, due to its small size, Mahindra, ls/ new holland or Kubota sub compacts. Seems all subcompacts are hydrostatic drive these days which I'm not much of a fan of currently anyway. Mind you it's only about three hilly acres up there it will be used on. Currently use a old JD 212 with extra weight and bar tires for mowing and and a 4 wheeler with tire chains, weight box, using either plow, or self contained snow blower for snow removal up there, somewhat easily detachable Loader and belly mower are what I'm looking at. Seems like used subcompacts I've found have one or the other but not both/ deck and small loader.

Somewhat apprehensive buying used envisioning some used subcompacts were initially operated like a d9 lol.

initial new tractor quotes I've currently received were all about the same, I've looked at older threads and posts Not interested in considering or looking at zero turns for up there.

Thanks for insight, Jeff.
Hydrostatic drive increases productivity by letting you speed up or slow down while mowing depending on how thick the grass is. When you use a gear drive, you tend to use whatever gear will get you through the thickest stuff, reducing your possible speed through the easy stuff. It is also safter in the woods if you encounter hidden obstacles or run into branches or pop-up saplings that you have mowed down. I would be dead today if I had used a gear tractor in the woods; a sapling popped up and started to impale me in the chest, but I stopped, and just got a bruise. I would never have reached the clutch in time on a gear drive tractor. Today I have a Mahindra 5035 HST, which they call a compact, but at over 10,000 lb operating weight, I am not so sure it should be called a compact.
 
   / Compact sub compact? #68  
I've not had much luck with those "easy on easy off" belly mowers. It's been my experience they are anything but. Seems to be especially true unless you have a hard flat & level surface. Gets to be a pain taking off the mower frequently to do other jobs. I switched to 3pt finish mowers years ago. The cut isn't quite as good, but I find they are much easier to put on and take off.

Removing the FEL frame can also be an issue. To save time, I use an SSQA bucket and just take it off when I mow.

Lots of different opinions on this, so YMMV.
 
   / Compact sub compact? #69  
Hello, looking to make a used or maybe new purchase of a open cab subcompact tractor, it will be used for mowing a hilly area with belly mower and snow removal, used once a year for wood making, grading reconditioning small driveway on hill.

Kind of interested in the bobcat 1021, due to its small size, Mahindra, ls/ new holland or Kubota sub compacts. Seems all subcompacts are hydrostatic drive these days which I'm not much of a fan of currently anyway. Mind you it's only about three hilly acres up there it will be used on. Currently use a old JD 212 with extra weight and bar tires for mowing and and a 4 wheeler with tire chains, weight box, using either plow, or self contained snow blower for snow removal up there, somewhat easily detachable Loader and belly mower are what I'm looking at. Seems like used subcompacts I've found have one or the other but not both/ deck and small loader.

Somewhat apprehensive buying used envisioning some used subcompacts were initially operated like a d9 lol.

initial new tractor quotes I've currently received were all about the same, I've looked at older threads and posts Not interested in considering or looking at zero turns for up there.

Thanks for insight, Jeff.
Hi, jumping in late here. I read a lot of the posts but not all, so apologize if this is a repeat. I have a New Holland 25S. FEL, BH and belly mower. It has good lift capacity vs some of the other brands. No implements yet as still have working smaller tractors. It has been good to me so far, not many hours. But what sold me (besides having a Ford 1989 diesel 16HP LGT) that still works) was the easy of operations of the FEL joystick, real smooth and a nice wide foot platform which included separate fwd and rvs pedals. JD was too expensive for me. I tried Kioti (I think similar manufacturer of Bobcat) and Massey. Confidence in dealers is important too. So try out all that you are considering. This is the tractor I should have bought 40 years ago but could not afford. I also have an Ingersoll 448 and is a good workhorse machine I use now for rototilling and plowing snow. There are larger versions out there and many parts places for these old machines so that may be worth looking into. It is fun looking. Good luck.
 
   / Compact sub compact? #70  
I've not had much luck with those "easy on easy off" belly mowers. It's been my experience they are anything but.

Removing the FEL frame can also be an issue. To save time, I use an SSQA bucket and just take it off when I mow.

Lots of different opinions on this, so YMMV.
Not “opinions”, as much as differences in brand. What brand are you running, that getting mowers and FEL off and on is any more difficult than advertised?
 
   / Compact sub compact? #71  
Hello, looking to make a used or maybe new purchase of a open cab subcompact tractor, it will be used for mowing a hilly area with belly mower and snow removal, used once a year for wood making, grading reconditioning small driveway on hill.

Kind of interested in the bobcat 1021, due to its small size, Mahindra, ls/ new holland or Kubota sub compacts. Seems all subcompacts are hydrostatic drive these days which I'm not much of a fan of currently anyway. Mind you it's only about three hilly acres up there it will be used on. Currently use a old JD 212 with extra weight and bar tires for mowing and and a 4 wheeler with tire chains, weight box, using either plow, or self contained snow blower for snow removal up there, somewhat easily detachable Loader and belly mower are what I'm looking at. Seems like used subcompacts I've found have one or the other but not both/ deck and small loader.

Somewhat apprehensive buying used envisioning some used subcompacts were initially operated like a d9 lol.

initial new tractor quotes I've currently received were all about the same, I've looked at older threads and posts Not interested in considering or looking at zero turns for up there.

Thanks for insight, Jeff.

I bought a used Kubota BX2350 about 4 years ago and have been very happy with it. I do not mow with it, but I do everything else:
1) it came with a plow attachment (controllable through the bucket knob. I use it (though not a lot of snow in SouthEastern PA anymore) (also the standard bucket)
2) I bought a rear-mount pallet fork attachment (new)
3) I bought an old, used Ford posthole digger for it (2 augers separately). Works great. I put in some split rail fencing for future pasture for some sheep.
4) I bought a used boom lift for it - works great (use it to move super heavy planters like concrete and cast iron)
5) I bought a Kubota tiller attachment for it. I used it to make a 30'x40' area of so-so soil into a proper garden by tilling, then planting a winter pea cover crop, then tilling that all under for organic enrichment.
6) I made a carry-all for it using some old barn cedar and oak and an L shaped 3PH welded base. I use this all the time.
7) I bought a used 3pt chipper/shredder for it (Goosen) that I use a couple of times a year to shred anything from 4" on down.

My land is just about completely flat. The BX is very good at not ripping up the yard but still being powerful enough for my needs on 3 acres.
I got quite a few of these things (not the pallet fork) at auction or on ebay or FB market place or Craigslist (which has been destroyed by FB MP)
 
   / Compact sub compact? #72  
Sold my 3ph self contained bh pretty quickly a few years ago (had a pump you hooked up to rear PTO shaft) didn't run off the tractors hydraulic system.
Did that backhoe work well? I have a BX1880 and don’t think I actually need a bh, but it’s something to think about, depending on what comes up now that I’m retired.
 
   / Compact sub compact? #73  
What is with you people mowing sidehills? Worst place for a Bobcat. Sounds like you should stick with what you have.
I have a Kubota BX at our lake cabin, which has some steep hills. Side hill cutting is out of the question, but vertically it’s great - will climb about anything in 4wd low… so it works well as long as you work within its limitations. You’re right though… suicidal taking a hill horizontally.
 
   / Compact sub compact? #74  
Yanmar SA325 is a Lower profile compact with #1200 lift. Like a SCUT CUT cross.
 
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John Deere’s Auto Connect mower decks truly are easy off and on. They do have to be set up correctly.
 
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though not a lot of snow in SouthEastern PA anymore
Where were you in 2021? Must have been a record year, at least the worst I can remember since before 1980.
 
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Recently purchased a TYM T25 and no regrets yet.Couldn’t beat the price anywhere for what you get and they gave me Zero financing I put half down and have a small payment.Added 3rd function for a grapple later on.Whatever you decide get the hydro transmission
 
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Did that backhoe work well? I have a BX1880 and don’t think I actually need a bh, but it’s something to think about, depending on what comes up now that I’m retired.
Yes very valuable when I was building up there. Total pain to take off and put on though. If I ever got another one I'd definitely find one with the hydraulic pump running off the PTO instead of plugging into tractors hydraulics but that's me and something's that definitely easier to take off and put on especially if your a one man operation lol.
 
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Hydrostatic drive increases productivity by letting you speed up or slow down while mowing depending on how thick the grass is. When you use a gear drive, you tend to use whatever gear will get you through the thickest stuff, reducing your possible speed through the easy stuff. It is also safter in the woods if you encounter hidden obstacles or run into branches or pop-up saplings that you have mowed down. I would be dead today if I had used a gear tractor in the woods; a sapling popped up and started to impale me in the chest, but I stopped, and just got a bruise. I would never have reached the clutch in time on a gear drive tractor. Today I have a Mahindra 5035 HST, which they call a compact, but at over 10,000 lb operating weight, I am not so sure it should be called a compact.
Im stubborn 5 or 6 yrs ago acquired a beat to a pulp 4150 with a hydraulic shuttle. I can't say enough good things about using that obnoxiously loud occasional smoke bomb hydraulic shuttle if I'm in something I shouldn't be in I bump the shuttle in neutral and brake. Id take a hydraulic shuttle over a hydrostatic tractor any day. But that's me. However In a skid steer, zero turn, or mini x I couldn't see it any other way than hydros controls.
 
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Off topic - just curious, is there much of an aftermarket for a backhoe attachment for something like a BX or JD1? I've seen a couple SCUTs for sale with them, and I definitely don't need two backhoes, so being able to sell it eventually would be a bonus..
The JD1 series you can buy the backhoe separately. For the BX series, you may see backhoes for sale, but unless you find a buyer who has great fab skills, the only market for one of the backhoes is someone who should already have one. The 2 digit BX models were/are all sold as TLB’s and the 4 digit models don’t have the subframe or hydraulics to support a backhoe. The loader will be the same, but the model sticker will be 1-off to indicate a TLB (LA343 vs LA344; note that I don’t remember exact numbers, but you get the idea). The TLB’s will not have 3pt arms included, but are available for purchase. All other attachments should fit TLB or tractor.

So if you are looking at a BX and already have a backhoe, I would recommend a 4 digit model, not a 2 digit.
 

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