New Toyota Tundra’s Recalled for Spun Crank Bearing

[big bubba]

...that's why I'll never buy a new vehicle 5030

smart move

 

[Tomtint]

Despite Dodge/Ram/Stellantis have a good diesel (Cummins) and possibly a good (Allison) trans, the rest of the vehicle components are junk as in lowest possible procurement cost versus the highest possible profit margin and I know that as factual as the outfit I retired from was the largest provider of interior component steel (axle housings, suspension components, frame steel) and a bunch of other stuff, including some engine components (not diesel related) but gas engine related and I can say with experience that they buy the cheapest materials possible, could care less about grades or quality (don't care about mill certs or origin of materials), so long as it's cheap. I remember them even buying from us, Russian steel that was very poor quality but they cold have cared less, all they were even concerned with was price. Why I'd never buy a Stellantis product as I got the see the inner workings and it wasn't pleasant top observe. In reality, Fords and GM isn't a whole lot better but they are better than Stellantis ever hoped to be.

Sadly, none of them are even close to being worth what they ask for them anyway and that includes Yota, Nissan and all the rest and why I'll never buy a new vehicle. My 97 Ford F350 4x4 diesel is just fine, has no rust and sleeps in the garage all winter so it's never seen snow and back then, they actually built REAL light duty trucks with real 8 foot beds and not the poser crap built today.

I have had a few 90s era 7.3 F350s. .. Those motors were reliable but woefully underpowered compared to the 6.7 today. The E4od auto trans was also a time bomb. The ride quality… whelp… it kept you engaged while driving as you had to guess which side of the road you will be tossed too after hitting a bump.. The last 97 F350 I had..I could tell you the year of the dime if I drove over one. ..

 

[5030]

I have had a few 90s era 7.3 F350s. .. Those motors were reliable but woefully underpowered compared to the 6.7 today. The E4od auto trans was also a time bomb. The ride quality… whelp… it kept you engaged while driving as you had to guess which side of the road you will be tossed too after hitting a bump.. The last 97 F350 I had..I could tell you the year of the dime if I drove over one. ..

I modified mine just after I purchased it new to correct some of the issues, imagined and real. My 7.3 was modified by Fords SVO in Dearborn with a full Gale Banks upgrade kit and it will positively smoke the rear tires on demand. It was dynoed at 345 horses to the rear wheels (and the rear axle is a locking Detroit Tru-trak). They also did the transmission, which is an E4, but with high performance internals and oversized Hayden 4 pass trans cooler and a deep sump aluminum pan. I did a front axle flip myself and added an ARB air locker as well. My rear suspension is still multi leaf springs but it also has a set of Air Ride bags out back with an on board air compressor. I modified the steering box and removed the factory huck bolts and installed real grade 8 high strength fasteners and a drop pittman are as I increased the ride height 5" (which now I regret as it's a PITA to get in and out of now that I'm an old fart).

When I ordered it, I had an agreement with Ford SVO that the vehicle would be delivered to them and they would do all the mods and bill me, which they did a long time ago.

Been offered 35 grand for the truck but not for sale, Still have the original window sticker. Paid 32 new for it btw. I could quite easily put a Yota Tundra in the bed and not even squat the suspension...

Did all that many years ago, back when I was pulling down serious bucks at the job I retired from,

Today, modified or not, the OBS Ford's, especially the crew cab long bed models are in very high demand because unlike today's grocery getter wannabe trucks, the old style Fords and Chevy's were real trucks.

 

[Tomtint]

I modified mine just after I purchased it new to correct some of the issues, imagined and real. My 7.3 was modified by Fords SVO in Dearborn with a full Gale Banks upgrade kit and it will positively smoke the rear tires on demand. It was dynoed at 345 horses to the rear wheels (and the rear axle is a locking Detroit Tru-trak). They also did the transmission, which is an E4, but with high performance internals and oversized Hayden 4 pass trans cooler and a deep sump aluminum pan. I did a front axle flip myself and added an ARB air locker as well. My rear suspension is still multi leaf springs but it also has a set of Air Ride bags out back with an on board air compressor. I modified the steering box and removed the factory huck bolts and installed real grade 8 high strength fasteners and a drop pittman are as I increased the ride height 5" (which now I regret as it's a PITA to get in and out of now that I'm an old fart).

When I ordered it, I had an agreement with Ford SVO that the vehicle would be delivered to them and they would do all the mods and bill me, which they did a long time ago.

Been offered 35 grand for the truck but not for sale, Still have the original window sticker. Paid 32 new for it btw. I could quite easily put a Yota Tundra in the bed and not even squat the suspension...

Did all that many years ago, back when I was pulling down serious bucks at the job I retired from,

Today, modified or not, the OBS Ford's, especially the crew cab long bed models are in very high demand because unlike today's grocery getter wannabe trucks, the old style Fords and Chevy's were real trucks.

A Nissan Maxima has almost 400 HP today.. like I said.. I have owned several 90s 7.3s.. they were good motors ..just by today's standards.. they are limp. I have a 2021 F450 6.7 limited.. that truck pulls, rides, handles, and just all arrives 100x better than any old ford or Chevy.. it's not even close.

 

[5030]

Mine isn't. End of story. My other issue is, when you jack up a weinie motor to output big power, how long do they last? I watch the 'I do cars' YT channel and every weinie motor he tears apart have failed because the output is excessive, so they don't last. I'm a firm believer in 'there is no replacement for displacement'. Kind of reminds me about the Ford Eco Boost in the pickup trucks that fail due to VVT issues.

When my wife bought her Suburban I told her to buy the 'High Country' edition because the standard motor is the large displacement V8. Gets the same terrible mileage as the smaller one does. First thing I did to it was I disabled the cylinder cutout feature. She don't care about fuel mileage anyway. I will say for build quality and comfort, you cannot beat a Suburban. Hers is basically a 2500 Series pickup truck with the bed enclosed. With the 3rd row seats folded down, you could sleep in the back and I like GM products anyway because GM has actually addressed maintenance, unlike Ford. When you open the hood on a Ford product (my Focus RS included), hard to fine the engine under all the crap. I can literally sit on the fender of her Burb and dangle my feet in the engine compartment. Routine service would be easy if I did it. I don't, the dealer takes care of everything required and that was included in the cost of it.

In closing, your mileage may vary but I know what my mileage is....

 

[Tomtint]

Mine isn't. End of story. My other issue is, when you jack up a weinie motor to output big power, how long do they last? I watch the 'I do cars' YT channel and every weinie motor he tears apart have failed because the output is excessive, so they don't last. I'm a firm believer in 'there is no replacement for displacement'. Kind of reminds me about the Ford Eco Boost in the pickup trucks that fail due to VVT issues.

When my wife bought her Suburban I told her to buy the 'High Country' edition because the standard motor is the large displacement V8. Gets the same terrible mileage as the smaller one does. First thing I did to it was I disabled the cylinder cutout feature. She don't care about fuel mileage anyway. I will say for build quality and comfort, you cannot beat a Suburban. Hers is basically a 2500 Series pickup truck with the bed enclosed. With the 3rd row seats folded down, you could sleep in the back and I like GM products anyway because GM has actually addressed maintenance, unlike Ford. When you open the hood on a Ford product (my Focus RS included), hard to fine the engine under all the crap. I can literally sit on the fender of her Burb and dangle my feet in the engine compartment. Routine service would be easy if I did it. I don't, the dealer takes care of everything required and that was included in the cost of it.

In closing, your mileage may vary but I know what my mileage is....

I have the Escalade "suburban " It's nice, I believe it's a 6.2 of some sort. It's nice to drive for sure. We have 11 vehicles in all.
They all do something the other can't or I just don't want to do with another vehicle,
The Tundra is certainly not a F250/350/450.. it's competition is the 1500 series trucks and having or have had them all.. it's a solid choice for the person who pulls 4K -7k on a regular basis and 10k now and then. Not everyone needs a 10k pound Diesel for a truck everyday. My Tundra suits the need we have for it very well. Decent mpg ( 18-18.5 ) avg and very nice to drive. We also have a 23 Raptor 150. .. for comparison.. the Tundra has better highway manners, the Raptor is more fun around town. I have said before that if I were to drive to Fla from Mass.. I'd want to do it in the Tundra.. but once there I would want to drive the Raptor.

 

[tacticalturnip]

This talk about Suburban's makes me miss the 2003 Yukon XL I had; I never should have traded that in.

 

[sixdogs]

...that's why I'll never buy a new vehicle 5030

smart move

I agree, and with legions of us out there that want a basic truck with no frills, you would think there is a manufacturer out there that can make hay out of this and turn a profit with that type of truck.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

They could make it, but regulations for MPG hold them back.

 

[ning]

They could make it, but regulations for MPG hold them back.

wwwwwwwwwell... it would most likely get better MPG than the options-laden trucks, to be honest - a stripped down truck is lighter and none of the frills are efficiency increasing.
The reason they don't make it is that by spending another $2k putting options into today's truck, they can charge the customer $10k; there's profit in all that crap.

 

[5030]

I have the Escalade "suburban " It's nice, I believe it's a 6.2 of some sort. It's nice to drive for sure. We have 11 vehicles in all.
They all do something the other can't or I just don't want to do with another vehicle,
The Tundra is certainly not a F250/350/450.. it's competition is the 1500 series trucks and having or have had them all.. it's a solid choice for the person who pulls 4K -7k on a regular basis and 10k now and then. Not everyone needs a 10k pound Diesel for a truck everyday. My Tundra suits the need we have for it very well. Decent mpg ( 18-18.5 ) avg and very nice to drive. We also have a 23 Raptor 150. .. for comparison.. the Tundra has better highway manners, the Raptor is more fun around town. I have said before that if I were to drive to Fla from Mass.. I'd want to do it in the Tundra.. but once there I would want to drive the Raptor.

Here in Michigan we couldn't afford to insure 11 vehicles candidly. Insurance here (no fault) is stupid high. I was amazed when I insured my Focus RS turbo. They consider it a 'station wagon' and not a rocket ship. Lucked out on that one. Dealership where my wife got her Suburban LTZ at is also a Caddy dealer but she didn't like the front end on the caddy so she bought the Burb. Basically the same vehicles, same engines too. 6.2 I believe you are correct. I did the cylinder cutout delete anyway. Only thing both she and I don't like is the standard moon-sun roof. Neither of us are fond of that. Hers not mine however. She drives and I sit in the climate controlled jumpseat. She has a hard time parking it in drive in parking spaces. The other day she skinned the side of a new Traverse and that cost her over a grand to get it repaired. Hard to judge over the hood, especially with the 'power bulges' in the hood. All she did to the Burb was rub the urethane bumper a bit.

Our vehicle insurance here is more than the real estate taxes are on the farm plus 3 rentals.

They do ride nice, way nicer than most cars do plus they have genuine Detroit Iron under the hood.

 

[Tomtint]

Here in Michigan we couldn't afford to insure 11 vehicles candidly. Insurance here (no fault) is stupid high. I was amazed when I insured my Focus RS turbo. They consider it a 'station wagon' and not a rocket ship. Lucked out on that one. Dealership where my wife got her Suburban LTZ at is also a Caddy dealer but she didn't like the front end on the caddy so she bought the Burb. Basically the same vehicles, same engines too. 6.2 I believe you are correct. I did the cylinder cutout delete anyway. Only thing both she and I don't like is the standard moon-sun roof. Neither of us are fond of that. Hers not mine however. She drives and I sit in the climate controlled jumpseat. She has a hard time parking it in drive in parking spaces. The other day she skinned the side of a new Traverse and that cost her over a grand to get it repaired. Hard to judge over the hood, especially with the 'power bulges' in the hood. All she did to the Burb was rub the urethane bumper a bit.

Our vehicle insurance here is more than the real estate taxes are on the farm plus 3 rentals.

They do ride nice, way nicer than most cars do plus they have genuine Detroit Iron under the hood.

I had wanted to move some of the vehicles to Fla.. but the insurance there is nuts.. like 80-100% more than mass. On average, each vehicle / full coverage , 1000.00 deductible runs about 1250.00 per year. The Raptor and we have a Porsche that are a bit more expensive. Our driving record is also clean, no tickets or accidents in over a decade.

 

[sd455dan]

New Cummins fuel agnostic gas version of the inline 6 diesel finally here.

graph not bad for 87 octane . RAM already has their new inline, this would be a winner for Toyota or some other Truck maker since their new gas engine has been problematic.

Even the basic 200HP version makes ~ 445 lb. ft torque at 600 RPM.

I want to hear if it sounds like the diesel when pulling a load. Wish RAM had waited for this Cummins.

 

[Milo]

Maybe we could see the return of gasoline engine tractors.

 

[Tractorable]

Same guy, two million mile Tundra’s.

 

[5030]

As with any brand or any engine, some run forever and sone run out of life quickly. Bet he changed his oil and filters every 5K miles and ran good oil as well. That 10 K change interval all the manufacturers tout is an engine killer.

 

[5030]

Good old Cummins, with blocks cast in India...

 

[Btown]

As with any brand or any engine, some run forever and sone run out of life quickly. Bet he changed his oil and filters every 5K miles and ran good oil as well. That 10 K change interval all the manufacturers tout is an engine killer.

I had a 2000 VW Beetle TDI, which required synthetic oil. Changed every 10K. Never a issue. Sold it with over 150K. The next person drove it well past 250K. Engine was never a issue. You can’t do that with conventional oil, but good synthetic oil you can. I suggest getting used oil analysis. The lab is on your side, not the oil manufacturers side. Granted not all engines are built the same. Some fail early with no signs and with proper maintenance. Seems like engines built today are having some issues, but they require lower viscosity oil like 0w-20. Instead of traditional 10w-30.

 

[rScotty]

We have three Toyotas. Two are pushing 200K, one at over 250K miles. All are still on original engine, tranny, drivetrain, and suspensions. We do a moderate amount of 4wd & towing. They sit outside in the weather year round.

I typically do the lube maintenance at somewhat longer than the recommended interval, but try not to double it.

Just for curiousity I changed one motor to synthetic 10w-30 Quaker State at about 100K. The others are still running good old dinosaur multiweight. Various oils, always name brands, viscosity varies from 10to20w/30to40. No difference that I can see.

We tried Ford F250 7.3 diesel PUs for awhile, but maintenance costs were too high.

For our use, reliability seems more to do with manufacturing than maintenance.
rScotty

 

[LightningCamaroGuy]

I had a 2000 VW Beetle TDI, which required synthetic oil. Changed every 10K. Never a issue. Sold it with over 150K. The next person drove it well past 250K. Engine was never a issue. You can’t do that with conventional oil, but good synthetic oil you can. I suggest getting used oil analysis. The lab is on your side, not the oil manufacturers side. Granted not all engines are built the same. Some fail early with no signs and with proper maintenance. Seems like engines built today are having some issues, but they require lower viscosity oil like 0w-20. Instead of traditional 10w-30.

I agree with 5030. You're talking about an older turbo diesel in a small car. Different animal than the modern petrol burning 1/2 tons that are being discussed here. My day DD a early 00's Beatle TDI for several years. The fuel pump is the issue on those engines. I generally do oil changes around 4K miles. Oil is cheap. Engines are not, especially modern ones.